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Post by onelasttime on Aug 24, 2022 17:53:41 GMT
Today President Biden knock some more money off some student debt. Twitter is alive with those who support it and those who don’t and those who are demanding President Biden do more.
Good idea or bad idea to forgive student debt?
My thinking on eliminating student debt?
I think they should make it easier to pay the loan off by eliminating all interest and just charging a small service fee. They took out the loan and should pay it off just like the rest of us without student debt have to pay off out debts.
Note the income cap of $125,000. How many Americans without a college degree come close to making $125,000 a year? I checked and 52M Americans earn $15 an hour or less.
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Post by workingclassdog on Aug 24, 2022 18:06:42 GMT
I am mixed about it.... I do support it because it is helping my DD, so it's a pretty selfish view. I do feel for those who have had to pay it all back. It doesn't seem fair. The small loan I had I paid off myself years and years ago. But it is what it is at this point I guess.
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Post by cadoodlebug on Aug 24, 2022 18:07:57 GMT
So a couple making $250,000 a year gets debt relief? Paid for by taxpayers who either didn't go to college or did but didn't get loans/worked jobs to pay for college and/or paid off their debt over years. Yeah, that's totally fair. NOT!
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Post by snyder on Aug 24, 2022 18:08:51 GMT
tuition costs are up there and if you're doing a full load or more, its hard to work to have some living expense money, so I'm all for some help there. I read that they plan to tweek the process for future loan forgiveness and reading that, I wasn't 100% on board with, but I don't think anything will be perfect.
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Post by scorpeao on Aug 24, 2022 18:09:18 GMT
All of it, no? Some, yes. I think the cost of an education is too high. When I went to college I incurred $20K of student loans...today, that pays for one year.
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Post by littlemama on Aug 24, 2022 18:11:46 GMT
I think there should be nominal or no interest charged on the loans
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Post by pantsonfire on Aug 24, 2022 18:18:51 GMT
Yes. But there also needs to be broader work done to fix our broken college system here in the US.
College costs have risen higher than pay since the 90s.
And what college honestly should cost $20-40k a year? None!
There needs to be a cap on cost, a locked in rate for all years you attend, and 0% to under 1% rate on loans.
We also need to make community college free for all years attended and make trade schools more cost effective as well. Those can be just as much as a community college.
By having a CC tuition covered, students can figure out their path while obtaining undergrad classes then transfer. That alone reduces the amount spent for a degree.
And many RN programs are at CC. We have 2 CCs here with outstanding RN programs.
With the amount of beneficiary money and old money and grants and what not coming into so many 4 year colleges, that money needs to go to students not higher ups.
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Post by Rhondito on Aug 24, 2022 18:19:40 GMT
I took out loans and paid them back; still, I'm not begrudging anyone who benefits from loan forgiveness. I think tuition was about $6k a year when I was in college - students have to pay many times that today.
Our country needs to do something to make college more affordable to all. I know someone who is four years OLDER than me, went to the same school, and is still paying for student loans. Maybe some of that is due to money mismanagement, or maybe he got larger loans than I did, I don't know - it's just baffling to me that a 58 year old is still paying for student loans.
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Post by pinklady on Aug 24, 2022 18:20:50 GMT
Absolutely NOT! I'm so pissed off that this is happening. These people took out the loan on their own and they should pay it back. Nobody put a gun to their head!
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Post by pantsonfire on Aug 24, 2022 18:23:45 GMT
I am mixed about it.... I do support it because it is helping my DD, so it's a pretty selfish view. I do feel for those who have had to pay it all back. It doesn't seem fair. The small loan I had I paid off myself years and years ago. But it is what it is at this point I guess. Having paid over $200k in medical debt, I wish there were forgiveness programs for other families. Would I have loved to have help? Hell yeah. But just because I had to suffer for years to pay it off doesn't make it fair for another family to struggle to make ends meet while paying back medical debt. It isn't a title for tat situation. My tuition was $600-800 a quarter at my CSU in the mid 90s to early 2000s. Since then it now costs almost $7000 for undergrad. That is how much tuition went up. That is $17-21,000 a year without books and other fees.
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Post by beaglemom on Aug 24, 2022 18:25:15 GMT
I have no student loan debt and was very fortunate that my parents paid for my undergrad and dh and I paid for my masters.
I am 100% for forgiving student loan debt and/or removing the interest/penalties. I have friends from my masters/teaching credential program that 15+ years later are still paying back their loans and they have been teaching full time + other jobs to make ends meet.
I think the predatory stuff needs to be forgiven as well. There are so many people that were sold loans under terms that are awful that they took because they were told they needed to go to college and that was the only way.
We forgive and bail out corporate debt all the time. Surely all those who have been working for years to pay off their student loan debt deserve the same.
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Post by pantsonfire on Aug 24, 2022 18:30:01 GMT
I have no student loan debt and was very fortunate that my parents paid for my undergrad and dh and I paid for my masters. I am 100% for forgiving student loan debt and/or removing the interest/penalties. I have friends from my masters/teaching credential program that 15+ years later are still paying back their loans and they have been teaching full time + other jobs to make ends meet. I think the predatory stuff needs to be forgiven as well. There are so many people that were sold loans under terms that are awful that they took because they were told they needed to go to college and that was the only way. We forgive and bail out corporate debt all the time. Surely all those who have been working for years to pay off their student loan debt deserve the same.This. All of this. Our tax money has been going to the 1% of the US for years. Decades. Our money goes to the ultra rich so they can buy huge boats and get them out of debt. There is more wrong with that then helping out those 12 or 14% that have federal loans.
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Post by Gem Girl on Aug 24, 2022 18:32:18 GMT
Setting aside the issue of fairness, my concern is the timing. Flooding the market with "found cash" isn't the smartest move in this inflationary period.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Aug 24, 2022 18:32:38 GMT
I really, really wish forgiveness wasn't happening (even though I'll benefit) and instead there was a broader discussion about student loans. I would like to see zero percent interest. I don't understand why the government needs to profit in excess of 7-8% on a student loan. The interest rate is double my house. I would also like to see income based repayments for everyone. *Not* my husband's income, my income alone. And not 10%. 10% is ridiculous. But I'd like to see it automatic like income tax and withdrawn straight out of your paycheck. When your income goes up, your payment goes up accordingly. My loans have a ten year repayment period, why? Why can't it take me 20 years at a reduced rate and zero interest? Why the arbitrary limit.
There are a whole lot of things we could do here to make the whole system fairer. The $10k forgiveness is putting a band aid on a knife wound. Just like the stupid $600 extra on unemployment during COVID was putting a bandaid on the unemployment system that was already broken and should have been fixed after the last recession.
I'm tired of our legislators not doing anything to reform these programs and then suddenly we'll just throw something at the wall in a crisis. What's amazing to me is that every person who I discuss this with is like gee, you really have some good suggestions. Not a single person I've discussed my ideas with has been as polarizing as forgiveness. Yet, you mean to tell me a legislator can't come up with a plan like this?
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Post by pinklady on Aug 24, 2022 18:34:28 GMT
You know what really pisses me off about this student loan forgiveness bullshit is that I am agreeing with everything the republicans are saying!
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Post by Basket1lady on Aug 24, 2022 18:34:42 GMT
Yes, I support it. In Europe, it’s the standard. College costs are often at least partially covered. We had a discussion in my French class last year about what Americans pay for college tuition. There were Italians, Polish, Turkish, Spanish, Czech Republic and Estonia. All had programs for full or partial tuition and just couldn’t understand the American system. And then we started talking about healthcare…
I’d like to see the program expand into fields where we need more skilled workers. If a career field is needed for low income areas, low manned fields, infrastructure support, I think those students should be given more loan forgiveness. Give students a chance to “pay it back” in those low manned areas and support those trying to better themselves.
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Post by Anita on Aug 24, 2022 18:35:20 GMT
With as much money as we throw at corporations to bail their asses out? No problem with reducing some student loan debt. You already paid yours off? Good for you. Life isn't fair. That said, I'd really rather see the loans be zero interest rather than outright removing the debt, and maybe reducing the amount of debt by the interest already paid. The interest is what kills you.
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Post by garcia5050 on Aug 24, 2022 18:36:30 GMT
My brother went to law school, but ended up being a lawyer for only a minute. He had a ton of student debt. He teaches now, in an underserved (aka poor) area, and had a nice chunk of student debt forgiven because of where he works. I like the idea that forgiveness is tied to this type of work. I agree with partial forgiveness - as choices were made - and I think people need to live with at least some of their decisions. But many more/different avenues for forgiveness should be granted. My son decided to go the Community college route, and that's his decision. He will likely end up going to a state school nearby - to ensure a reduced debt load (again, choices . . . ). Will he have a kickass experience? No. Will he get a degree? sure.
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Post by agengr2004 on Aug 24, 2022 18:42:16 GMT
It's basically going to help the middle class. Those people that get hammered every year because they make too much money for refunds but not enough for tax breaks (those people basically footing the bill for country). So yeah, I support it.
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Post by allison1954 on Aug 24, 2022 18:50:56 GMT
I really, really wish forgiveness wasn't happening (even though I'll benefit) and instead there was a broader discussion about student loans. I would like to see zero percent interest. I don't understand why the government needs to profit in excess of 7-8% on a student loan. The interest rate is double my house. I would also like to see income based repayments for everyone. *Not* my husband's income, my income alone. And not 10%. 10% is ridiculous. But I'd like to see it automatic like income tax and withdrawn straight out of your paycheck. When your income goes up, your payment goes up accordingly. My loans have a ten year repayment period, why? Why can't it take me 20 years at a reduced rate and zero interest? Why the arbitrary limit. There are a whole lot of things we could do here to make the whole system fairer. The $10k forgiveness is putting a band aid on a knife wound. Just like the stupid $600 extra on unemployment during COVID was putting a bandaid on the unemployment system that was already broken and should have been fixed after the last recession. I'm tired of our legislators not doing anything to reform these programs and then suddenly we'll just throw something at the wall in a crisis. What's amazing to me is that every person who I discuss this with is like gee, you really have some good suggestions. Not a single person I've discussed my ideas with has been as polarizing as forgiveness. Yet, you mean to tell me a legislator can't come up with a plan like this?
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Post by allison1954 on Aug 24, 2022 18:52:27 GMT
Do you think if a person works only part time by choice or not at all, they should only have to back back less than 10 percent of their income toward debt?
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Post by cmpeter on Aug 24, 2022 19:01:16 GMT
It’s not all debt, it’s some and yes I support it. Even though I paid off my own debt back in the day and we don’t qualify for it now.
I think the argument that we shouldn’t do it now because it’s unfair to those who have already paid off their debt is hogwash. Life is always evolving and there will always be new advantages that weren’t available previously. That doesn’t mean we don’t take advantage of an opportunity to do better.
I also support broader reforms in education costs and funding.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 24, 2022 19:02:10 GMT
I'm fine with some student debt being forgiven, but even more than that I hope that they make college more affordable. I hope that I qualify for the student loan forgiveness (although most of my loans came from my graduate degree, so I don't know if that counts) but worry more about my kids who are college age or about to be.
I don't agree with the idea that only community college should be made to be more affordable. That doesn't work for many people, and I think it sounds like it could be detrimental to many colleges--both community colleges who would have too many students and the four year colleges that would have fewer. I don't think that students should be pigeon holed or forced to go to CC when that doesn't make sense for them, but they need the tuition assistance.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 24, 2022 19:13:50 GMT
I took out loans and paid them back; still, I'm not begrudging anyone who benefits from loan forgiveness. I think tuition was about $6k a year when I was in college - students have to pay many times that today. Our country needs to do something to make college more affordable to all. I know someone who is four years OLDER than me, went to the same school, and is still paying for student loans. Maybe some of that is due to money mismanagement, or maybe he got larger loans than I did, I don't know - it's just baffling to me that a 58 year old is still paying for student loans. It could be due to a lot of things. I am 47 and finished my master's degree in 2002. I feel like I haven't even paid off more than the interest. I am not in a high income field and don't have a lot of extra money each month to pay more than the minimum. DH makes even less money than I do and also has student loans. Some people have higher paying jobs, more help from family, spouse with higher pay, different family size, etc.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Aug 24, 2022 19:14:32 GMT
Do you think if a person works only part time by choice or not at all, they should only have to back back less than 10 percent of their income toward debt? In Michigan for child support formula if a parent isn't working the calculation is based on their earning potential. So if they are capable of making $30k a year and are choosing not to work, their child support is still calculated based on that amount. I assume something similar could be done here. 10% on $50k a year is $5000 and that is after taxes are paid state and federal. You don't think that a huge amount on an income like that for someone who must also pay for food, shelter, medical care? I think I said a sliding scale and then automatic adjustment as you make more money. But hey, if it's going to principal, then does it really matter if it takes you 20 years to pay off? I'm not griping about my student loans. I make my payments alright. Although my payment to student loans is $75 more than the principal on my mortgage. But yeah, we should be doing things as a society to encourage education especially in traditionally low paying occupations like social work. And 7-8% interest is ridiculous. On an income contingent payment plan, you might not even touch that.
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Post by epeanymous on Aug 24, 2022 19:14:35 GMT
I am in favor of it, as someone who has paid off her loans. And I can be in favor of it and also think we need to rethink how we find colleges and college education in the first place. States have cut funding to state schools, and the federal government shifted from grants to loans for need-based assistance -- we are asking people to shoulder much more of the burden themselves.
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Post by pantsonfire on Aug 24, 2022 19:18:01 GMT
I'm fine with some student debt being forgiven, but even more than that I hope that they make college more affordable. I hope that I qualify for the student loan forgiveness (although most of my loans came from my graduate degree, so I don't know if that counts) but worry more about my kids who are college age or about to be. I don't agree with the idea that only community college should be made to be more affordable. That doesn't work for many people, and I think it sounds like it could be detrimental to many colleges--both community colleges who would have too many students and the four year colleges that would have fewer. I don't think that students should be pigeon holed or forced to go to CC when that doesn't make sense for them, but they need the tuition assistance. Here CC first 2 years are free. Hasn't increased student enrollment.
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Post by Layce on Aug 24, 2022 19:30:02 GMT
Well, after reading the details on Whitehouse.gov, I have to point out that this is no carte blanche pronouncement by any means. My takeaway is that monthly payments are reduced, full repayment is now on the horizon giving borrowers hope for the future, and they still even get a few more months to start planning for when their student loan payments resume in January.
On the House front, Nancy Pelosi is jumping up and down saying President Biden has no authority to forgive debt.
We'll see I guess
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Post by kandie on Aug 24, 2022 19:30:42 GMT
I completed my masters degree 4 years ago at age 47. I have over 25, 000 in student loan debt which I will be paying for the next 6 years. I don’t agree with the income cap at 125 thousand. Would be a nice thing for those who make less than 60-70 thousand though. Other than that, I don’t agree with this plan. I incurred the debt, but I knew my income would go up and I would have to pay it off over 10 years.
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Post by paget on Aug 24, 2022 19:31:27 GMT
I’m 51 with students loans. I went back to school when my kids were older and got a BA that we paid cash for and then I took out loans for grad school as we were paying cash for DD1’s college at the same time. So yes, I have loans. And my graduate degree is in social work which is not a lucrative field. But it is rewarding. I would like to see less time in jobs for loan forgiveness for public servant jobs like teachers and social workers, therapists, etc. We need these jobs but the borrowers may have a hard time paying back the loans with these careers- especially starting out. Dd1 found that she makes over the threshold for her loan (she went back and got a second BA in computer science). I think it’s fair she won’t benefit in the forgiveness as she makes a higher income due to her field. I do think the interest rates on students loans are predatory and that should be addressed.
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