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Post by leftturnonly on Sept 21, 2022 4:57:03 GMT
US Customs & Border Patrol has released information that so far this year they have recorded over 2 million enforcement actions involving people coming across our southern border from Mexico. These are only the numbers of official encounters. Total CBP Enforcement Actions Fiscal Year 2022 (to date): Office of Field Operations (OFO) Total Encounters - 488,695 US Border Patrol Total Encounters - 2,005,026 Total Enforcement Actions - 2,493,721 Search and Rescue Efforts: US Border and Patrol, Southwest Border Only - 20,464 Air and Marine Operations, Nationwide - 425 US Customs and Border Protection Enforcement Statistics Fiscal Year 2022
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Post by lucyg on Sept 21, 2022 5:26:30 GMT
So in other words … we are indeed enforcing our southern border?
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Post by leftturnonly on Sept 21, 2022 5:48:08 GMT
In July 2022, numerous news outlets reported that DHS sources claimed over 500,000 known "gotaways" at the southern border since FY22 began on Oct. 1, 2021. Gotaways for FY21 + FY22 were then estimated at 900,000.
A "gotaway" is someone seen on camera or in a bailout or pursuit that was never apprehended.
The state of Wyoming has a population of approximately 580,000.
5 states, South Dakota, North Dakota, Alaska, Vermont and Wyoming have populations under 1 million.
14 states have populations less than 2 million, or to put it another way, US CBP reported more encounters with people who crossed our southern border illegally in fiscal year 2022 than live in 14 US states.
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Post by leftturnonly on Sept 21, 2022 5:53:14 GMT
So in other words … we are indeed enforcing our southern border? You are too intelligent to even partially believe that is reality.
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Post by lucyg on Sept 21, 2022 7:29:14 GMT
So in other words … we are indeed enforcing our southern border? You are too intelligent to even partially believe that is reality. Sorry, but border enforcement does not equal open borders, no matter how many times Fox News claims it does. That some people get through does not negate that fact. Some people have always gotten through, even under {shock!} Republican administrations. Also, interesting math: “US CBP reported more encounters with people who crossed our southern border illegally in fiscal year 2022 than live in 14 US states.” NO. According to the figures you yourself supplied, there were fewer “gotaways” in FY2022 than the entire population of our lowest-population state. Not the total number in 14 states. (That may not be what you meant, but it’s what you said.) If you were referring instead to total numbers of immigrants who were either stopped, or observed but escaped, then you could say there were more encounters than the population of ONE of our 14 smallest states. Still not all 14. A very misleading statement, whether the words were yours or someone else’s. In July 2022, numerous news outlets reported that DHS sources claimed over 500,000 known "gotaways" at the southern border since FY22 began on Oct. 1, 2021. Gotaways for FY21 + FY22 were then estimated at 900,000. A "gotaway" is someone seen on camera or in a bailout or pursuit that was never apprehended. The state of Wyoming has a population of approximately 580,000. 5 states, South Dakota, North Dakota, Alaska, Vermont and Wyoming have populations under 1 million. 14 states have populations less than 2 million, or to put it another way, US CBP reported more encounters with people who crossed our southern border illegally in fiscal year 2022 than live in 14 US states.
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Post by lucyg on Sept 21, 2022 7:39:11 GMT
And besides all that, our economy is built on the backs of these “illegal” workers; at least, large parts of it are. If we managed to choke off all movement between Mexico and the U.S., southwestern economies would grind to a halt. I would think you’d be well aware of that, living in Texas.
What we need is immigration reform, but it suits Republican politicians better to keep the masses inflamed about “illegal immigration.”
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 21, 2022 11:08:28 GMT
Maybe try reading this... Exactly what an encounter is!!!! this is part of a much longer article about the numbers. I didn't realize that people who tried to cross the border at checkpoints but were denied are also counted in the number.www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/20/immigration-biden-border/The data also includes people stopped at border crossings as they seek entry, those deemed “inadmissible.” In other words, among the stops are people who tried to enter at a border checkpoint but were prevented from doing so. There’s no question that the number of people seeking to come to the United States is straining resources and the ability of state and federal officials to respond. But it is not the case that millions of people are pouring over the border unchecked. It’s likely that, despite the recent increase in border stops, fewer people are being stopped or escaping into the United States than 20 years ago. And of those who have been stopped since the beginning of 2021, less than half remain in the country. And only a portion of those who remain end up being released to await a hearing.
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Post by Merge on Sept 21, 2022 11:24:04 GMT
Republicans will not be happy unless Joe Biden goes to the border personally to shoot immigrants on sight. Border enforcement, however imperfect, is not sufficient for them.
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Post by compeateropeator on Sept 21, 2022 12:01:16 GMT
And maybe that is because there is a much greater humanitarian crisis in the world today. Just think about 6.3 million Ukrainians that had to flee their country this year alone because of war. I think I read somewhere that the global refugee crisis population has doubled in the last decade and that about 85 - 90 million refugees were forced to flee their homes. So with these numbers do you not think that it is logical that we are having more people coming to our borders to try and save their lives and family?
More people trying to cross our borders to save their children (saving children…which we know is the MAIN concern of Republicans) does not mean we have open borders nor does it mean that we want open borders. Something needs to be done and it is not a wall, it is real refugee reform.
If you live in a agriculture area or state you know for a fact that people can not hire Americans and desperately need the help. Who are the people willing to work the fields and pick the crops…not “Americans”. Just think of the food crisis we would be/will be in without all those hard working people willing to do to back breaking work so you can eat your salad, fruit, veggies and meat and drink your milk.
Something needs to be done, no doubt, but the open border propaganda crap needs to stop and people need to figure out how to share our planet and make things work.
Aren’t you glad that by the Grace of your god, as you (general you) always say, didn’t make you be born in Venezuela. It would be interesting to see what all these people flaming this crisis would do to save their kids if their god had them born into a poverty stricken or war stricken nation. I am sure they all would be thinking well we might as well just sit here and let them die? But here in our own country they are willing to start a civil war over the preconceived notion that the left/liberal/democrats are trying to harm their children.
I do not get it and probably never will.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 21, 2022 13:18:25 GMT
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Post by compeateropeator on Sept 21, 2022 14:03:22 GMT
Exactly my point, I am so weary of hearing about this talking point with the constant buzz words/phrases that the left have no regard to childrens‘ lives and yet living, breathing, and hurting children here in this world now are being dismissed because even though they have been birthed… it just wasn’t to the right (and take that word’s meaning as you like 😉) people or in the right country.
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Post by bc2ca on Sept 21, 2022 15:17:52 GMT
5 states, South Dakota, North Dakota, Alaska, Vermont and Wyoming have populations under 1 million. Yet they still get 2 Senators each just like 5 states (CA, TX, FL, NY, PA) with populations totaling over 123,000,000. Let's stop and ask why are these people coming. What would you do to give your family a better life?
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Post by onelasttime on Sept 21, 2022 17:27:37 GMT
This is the headline from a Fox News article…
”Hawley demands Mayorkas' resignation over 'intentional disregard' for border security”
If one were to ask a Republican what type of border security do they think the southern border is lacking what do you think their answer would be if they even gave an answer?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 21, 2022 17:48:03 GMT
The WALL...
Any doubts?
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Post by onelasttime on Sept 21, 2022 17:55:21 GMT
And what specifically is the wall going to do with those who dig tunnels under the wall and climb over the wall. And those who would come by boat in the Pacific Ocean and the Gulf of Mexico?
And how is the wall going to stop the drugs coming through the checkpoints along the southern border?
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Post by Merge on Sept 21, 2022 17:57:18 GMT
This is the headline from a Fox News article… ” Hawley demands Mayorkas' resignation over 'intentional disregard' for border security”If one were to ask a Republican what type of border security do they think the southern border is lacking what do you think their answer would be if they even gave an answer? They think they want a continuous wall. They don't care about the environmental damage that will do or the fact that the wall will have to be built on private property or national/state park land in many places. They ignore the fact that a wall is easily defeated now, but when that becomes apparent, they'll agitate for snipers placed on top of the wall 24/7 or constant monitoring by helicopters with armed soldiers inside. And then we're basically North Korea. No one in or out. (Don't think they wouldn't use that wall to prevent Texas women from crossing the border for abortions.)
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Post by lindas on Sept 21, 2022 19:59:58 GMT
This is the headline from a Fox News article… ” Hawley demands Mayorkas' resignation over 'intentional disregard' for border security”If one were to ask a Republican what type of border security do they think the southern border is lacking what do you think their answer would be if they even gave an answer? How about allocating money for more border patrol agents and more judges to hear asylum cases so it doesn’t take years and enforcing the laws we currently have. How about the 536 jackasses running this country in DC start acting like adults, stop kicking this can down the road and finally come up with a comprehensive immigration bill.
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Post by onelasttime on Sept 21, 2022 20:28:15 GMT
This is the headline from a Fox News article… ” Hawley demands Mayorkas' resignation over 'intentional disregard' for border security”If one were to ask a Republican what type of border security do they think the southern border is lacking what do you think their answer would be if they even gave an answer? How about allocating money for more border patrol agents and more judges to hear asylum cases so it doesn’t take years and enforcing the laws we currently have. How about the 536 jackasses running this country in DC start acting like adults, stop kicking this can down the road and finally come up with a comprehensive immigration bill. Once again, a Republican Senator is calling for the Secretary of Homeland Security to resign over “intentional disregard for border security “. He is not the first. My question is if you ask a Republican what type of border security is lacking what do you think their answer would be? We are talking about security and security only as that is all the Republicans seem to be interested in. I just checked and President Biden has asked for a roughly $800m more for border security in the budget that has not been passed yet. Which would make the total of about $15B if I’m remembering correctly. Also two senators, a Democrat & Republican have introduced a bill also calling for an increase in money for border security. Both are pretty much asking for more border guards. So when it comes to border security what are the Republicans looking for and how is the Secretary of Homeland Security showing an “intentional disregard” for the security at the southern border?
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Post by aj2hall on Sept 21, 2022 20:52:40 GMT
As usual, leftturnonly's numbers are missing some important context. Just because there were 2 million encounters, that does not mean there are an extra 2 million people here. The number includes people who have tried multiple times to cross the border. The number also includes people who were deemed inadmissible and denied entry. The number includes many others who were refused entry under title 42. Better questions to ask are how many people were given asylum hearings? How many were granted asylum? Another favorite conservative talking point - if there were 2 million encounters, how many crossed the border illegally? The answer is not as many as you would think because of barriers, technology and increased enforcement. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/20/immigration-biden-border/Data from the Department of Homeland Security indicate that north of 80 percent of those seeking to enter the country illegally were stopped in 2019, up substantially in the past decade or two. In part, that is a function of increased use of technology; in part it’s because of expanded barriers on the border both under George W. Bush and Donald Trump. In part, too, it’s probably a function of why many of those crossing the border are being stopped, which we’ll get to in a moment.The effect, though, is that the combined number of people both stopped at the border and entering illegally is probably lower now than it was 15 to 20 years ago.The data also include people stopped at border crossings as they seek entry, those deemed “inadmissible.” In other words, among the stops are people who tried to enter at a border checkpoint but were prevented from doing so.When the Republican Party releases a statement blasting the number of people who have “crossed the border” under Biden — as it did on Monday — it doesn’t mention that most of those people were quickly removed or slated for removal.It also means that a lot of the people removed from the United States simply come back to the border and try again.it is not the case that millions of people are pouring over the border unchecked. It’s likely that, despite the recent increase in border stops, fewer people are being stopped or escaping into the United States than 20 years ago. And of those who have been stopped since the beginning of 2021, less than half remain in the country. And only a portion of those who remain end up being released to await a hearing.
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Post by elaine on Sept 21, 2022 23:16:48 GMT
leftturnonly , since you haven't been around for a while, what do you think about Trump stealing classified documents and hiding them in Mar A Lago, forcing the FBI to raid the property to recover highly classified documents? Does that concern you more than border issues given the clear undeniable threat to national security by holding classified documents, complete with names of classified agents, in a golf resort? What do you think should be done to Trump for stealing and then refusing to willingly turn over classified government-owned documents?
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Post by carhoch on Sept 21, 2022 23:22:10 GMT
So the border is not open and the government is doing his job ,thanks for the heads up leftturnonly .
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 22, 2022 0:20:34 GMT
elaine just a note... It was a court approved search warrant where they seized government property. 😊
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