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Post by fiddlesticks on Oct 5, 2022 2:31:41 GMT
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Post by Merge on Oct 5, 2022 2:38:01 GMT
In a pre-GQP world, this wouldn’t have seemed so threatening. Female athletes can experience amenorrhea and that’s something that needs to be considered.
Now? Young women are correct not to trust anyone who asks for that information, which can be used against them in many states.
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Post by seaexplore on Oct 5, 2022 3:16:53 GMT
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Florida student athletes have to answer more than three dozen questions with their doctors before they can be cleared to practice or play.
Do you have any chronic illnesses?
Do you have asthma?
Have you broken any bones or dislocated any joints?
Have you ever had chest pain during or after exercise?
All these questions directly relate to athletes' fitness to play sports and injury prevention.
But for female athletes, other questions on the form can get a little awkward, and now they're getting controversial over abortion and privacy concerns.
Investigation:Florida asks student athletes about their periods. Why some find it 'shocking' post-Roe
For more than 20 years, the Florida State High School Athletic Association has asked female athletes to answer the following questions on their pre-participation form:
When was your first menstrual period?
When was your most recent menstrual period?
How much time do you usually have from the start of one period to
the start of another?
How many periods have you had in the last year?
What was the longest time between periods in the last year?
The questions are marked as optional.
The Florida High School Athletics Association asks female athletes about their periods along with three dozen other questions on physical and mental health.
Questions online:'What about parents though?' Athlete parents blast school board for online registration
Coaches unhappy:New student-athlete registration software, Aktivate, has Palm Beach County coaches upset
Why questions about athletes' periods help doctors
Period history is important information for pediatricians to know as they screen for bleeding and hormonal conditions that can cause complications for athletes.
But in Florida, all of that medical data is then turned over to the athlete's school, contrary to other states that require only the physician's signature page to clear them to play.
Although the questions are nothing new, athletes, their families, and their doctors are taking a closer look at where this information goes after the overturning of Roe v. Wade this summer by the U.S. Supreme Court.
With reproductive privacy and parental rights over children's data top of mind, both abortion rights advocates and concerned parents have raised alarms about the questions and and how they can be used.
"I don’t think it was our intent for this information to be shared with anyone else," one physician, who served on a national committee that wrote a similar form, said. "The bottom line for the coach is: 'Are they clear or not?' The rest of the information is between the athlete and their family."
The Palm Beach Post dug into where these questions came from, why they're asked and how parents, doctors and coaches are thinking about reproductive privacy and data security differently in a post-Roe world.
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Post by basketdiva on Oct 5, 2022 4:06:54 GMT
I understand the privacy issues involved but the simple solution to the reproductive questions is to not answer those optional questions.
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Post by casii on Oct 5, 2022 12:30:26 GMT
In a post-Roe country, this is a big no.
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Post by littlemama on Oct 5, 2022 12:51:37 GMT
The questions are optional. Even before Roe being overturned, none of that was the school's business and I would not have responded to it.
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Post by redshoes on Oct 5, 2022 12:51:41 GMT
These are standard questions on the annual physical form, required for students participating in athletics and marching band, along with a billion other questions about medical conditions, etc. I don’t get the problem…
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Post by crazy4scraps on Oct 5, 2022 13:04:41 GMT
These are standard questions on the annual physical form, required for students participating in athletics and marching band, along with a billion other questions about medical conditions, etc. I don’t get the problem… The problem is that in other states, the answers end with the patient/physician conversation (physician just signs off that the student is fit to participate) and in Florida the answers go back to the school and who knows where else beyond that. In today’s world that would be a huge NO for me. Do these people not know that there are now birth control / period control options that women can take so they won’t ever get a period, or only once a quarter, etc.? Or that some female athletes are so lean that they naturally don’t get one? Sheesh. IMO all of that is no one’s damn business, and as the parent of a daughter I would strongly advise my child NOT to answer those questions. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 5, 2022 13:39:36 GMT
These are standard questions on the annual physical form, required for students participating in athletics and marching band, along with a billion other questions about medical conditions, etc. I don’t get the problem… The problem is that in other states, the answers end with the patient/physician conversation (physician just signs off that the student is fit to participate) and in Florida the answers go back to the school and who knows where else beyond that. In today’s world that would be a huge NO for me. Do these people not know that there are now birth control / period control options that women can take so they won’t ever get a period, or only once a quarter, etc.? Or that some female athletes are so lean that they naturally don’t get one? Sheesh. IMO all of that is no one’s damn business, and as the parent of a daughter I would strongly advise my child NOT to answer those questions. Should a MINOR child be required or allowed to answer without a parent present?!?! If the state requires parental approval/consent for medical procedures then the same must be so for anything medical related!!! |
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Post by carhoch on Oct 5, 2022 14:10:45 GMT
If I had school-age girls I would recommend them not to answer any of theses questions.
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Post by redshoes on Oct 5, 2022 14:21:41 GMT
These are standard questions on the annual physical form, required for students participating in athletics and marching band, along with a billion other questions about medical conditions, etc. I don’t get the problem… The problem is that in other states, the answers end with the patient/physician conversation (physician just signs off that the student is fit to participate) and in Florida the answers go back to the school and who knows where else beyond that. In today’s world that would be a huge NO for me. Do these people not know that there are now birth control / period control options that women can take so they won’t ever get a period, or only once a quarter, etc.? Or that some female athletes are so lean that they naturally don’t get one? Sheesh. IMO all of that is no one’s damn business, and as the parent of a daughter I would strongly advise my child NOT to answer those questions. [br Yes, I’m in TX and our Dr signs the standard form and that’s what’s turned into the Band Director. If there are unusual circumstances regarding cycles (or any medical condition really), etc, we document it on the form and the Dr reviews/adds notes as needed. I think what you’re saying would be better is a generic letter like “Sally has had her annual physical and I’ve cleared her for Athletics, signed Dr ABC and just leave it at that. Makes sense. |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Oct 5, 2022 14:22:56 GMT
The problem is that in other states, the answers end with the patient/physician conversation (physician just signs off that the student is fit to participate) and in Florida the answers go back to the school and who knows where else beyond that. In today’s world that would be a huge NO for me. Do these people not know that there are now birth control / period control options that women can take so they won’t ever get a period, or only once a quarter, etc.? Or that some female athletes are so lean that they naturally don’t get one? Sheesh. IMO all of that is no one’s damn business, and as the parent of a daughter I would strongly advise my child NOT to answer those questions. Should a MINOR child be required or allowed to answer without a parent present?!?! If the state requires parental approval/consent for medical procedures then the same must be so for anything medical related!!! Well, I recently took my 12yo DD to get a school physical at our health clinic. I noted to the nurse that I had difficulty making the appointment online (basically couldn’t do it) and had to call in, when I previously had online access to all of her health information, vaccination records, etc. The nurse said she would look into it. Toward the end of the appointment with the doctor, I was asked to “step out and wait down at the end of the hall” while the doctor had a conversation with my kid alone. 🤔 Okay… When I was summoned back into the room, the doctor said because now DD is 12, she had to give her own consent for me to have access to her online portal.  Which she did, so my permissions to view her chart, test results, make online appointments, etc. was reinstated. But they are perfectly happy for me to be the responsible party to pay the bill.  Honestly I don’t have a problem with it and know there are some kids (especially older kids) who might need those protections, but for the rest of us, how annoying. |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Oct 5, 2022 14:27:49 GMT
The problem is that in other states, the answers end with the patient/physician conversation (physician just signs off that the student is fit to participate) and in Florida the answers go back to the school and who knows where else beyond that. In today’s world that would be a huge NO for me. Do these people not know that there are now birth control / period control options that women can take so they won’t ever get a period, or only once a quarter, etc.? Or that some female athletes are so lean that they naturally don’t get one? Sheesh. IMO all of that is no one’s damn business, and as the parent of a daughter I would strongly advise my child NOT to answer those questions. [br Yes, I’m in TX and our Dr signs the standard form and that’s what’s turned into the Band Director. If there are unusual circumstances regarding cycles (or any medical condition really), etc, we document it on the form and the Dr reviews/adds notes as needed. I think what you’re saying would be better is a generic letter like “Sally has had her annual physical and I’ve cleared her for Athletics, signed Dr ABC and just leave it at that. Makes sense. I’m in MN and that’s basically what our form says. If there was some specific condition that would limit the kid’s participation, that would be what is noted on the form because it would be a need to know situation. Otherwise there isn’t any personal medical information on there besides the list of vaccinations the kid has had. |
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Post by cakediva on Oct 5, 2022 14:32:25 GMT
I’m in Canada and we’ve NEVER had to fill out any medical forms for our kids to play sports. DS played both high school and rep basketball and no doctor appt required. Sure we had to provide our doctors name and contact info but there was no questionnaire.
I’d have not answered any of those questions and probably asked why it is any of their business in the first place,
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Post by epeanymous on Oct 5, 2022 14:35:19 GMT
Should a MINOR child be required or allowed to answer without a parent present?!?! If the state requires parental approval/consent for medical procedures then the same must be so for anything medical related!!! Well, I recently took my 12yo DD to get a school physical at our health clinic. I noted to the nurse that I had difficulty making the appointment online (basically couldn’t do it) and had to call in, when I previously had online access to all of her health information, vaccination records, etc. The nurse said she would look into it. Toward the end of the appointment with the doctor, I was asked to “step out and wait down at the end of the hall” while the doctor had a conversation with my kid alone. 🤔 Okay… When I was summoned back into the room, the doctor said because now DD is 12, she had to give her own consent for me to have access to her online portal. Which she did, so my permissions to view her chart, test results, make online appointments, etc. was reinstated. But they are perfectly happy for me to be the responsible party to pay the bill. Honestly I don’t have a problem with it and know there are some kids (especially older kids) who might need those protections, but for the rest of us, how annoying. I spent a year on my husband's medical insurance. I don't think because he was paying that he should have had automatic access to my medical records. I get what you are saying, I really do, but I also think older kids should have some medical privacy, for a lot of obvious reasons. |
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Post by peabay on Oct 5, 2022 14:47:52 GMT
Interesting. This prompted me to look at our school's and athletic department's health forms. Menstruation isn't mentioned at all. The parent/student fills out nothing about it and the doctor fills out nothing about it.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Oct 5, 2022 14:48:00 GMT
Well, I recently took my 12yo DD to get a school physical at our health clinic. I noted to the nurse that I had difficulty making the appointment online (basically couldn’t do it) and had to call in, when I previously had online access to all of her health information, vaccination records, etc. The nurse said she would look into it. Toward the end of the appointment with the doctor, I was asked to “step out and wait down at the end of the hall” while the doctor had a conversation with my kid alone. 🤔 Okay… When I was summoned back into the room, the doctor said because now DD is 12, she had to give her own consent for me to have access to her online portal.  Which she did, so my permissions to view her chart, test results, make online appointments, etc. was reinstated. But they are perfectly happy for me to be the responsible party to pay the bill.  Honestly I don’t have a problem with it and know there are some kids (especially older kids) who might need those protections, but for the rest of us, how annoying. I spent a year on my husband's medical insurance. I don't think because he was paying that he should have had automatic access to my medical records. I get what you are saying, I really do, but I also think older kids should have some medical privacy, for a lot of obvious reasons. That is a totally different situation, with two adults on the same insurance. And I can respect that an older kid might want some additional privacy with regard to birth control, STD testing, etc. But a 12 year old is still more child than adult IMO, especially mine, LOL. As I mentioned, some kids who live in abusive households may need added protections which I completely understand. If I was an abusive parent I wouldn’t be too likely to drag my kid to the clinic for a routine physical in the first place knowing that they are mandatory reporters. Just saying. |
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Post by maryland on Oct 5, 2022 15:01:21 GMT
I’m in Canada and we’ve NEVER had to fill out any medical forms for our kids to play sports. DS played both high school and rep basketball and no doctor appt required. Sure we had to provide our doctors name and contact info but there was no questionnaire. I’d have not answered any of those questions and probably asked why it is any of their business in the first place, I love that! That is not the school's business!
If they require a physical they should just have to give a form saying the doctor signed off that it's fine to play that sport. They don't need details (unless the doctor says so - they are diabetic and coaches should be aware).
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Post by hop2 on Oct 5, 2022 16:02:58 GMT
Those are all none of their business imo
My 1st year on a sports team ( back in the ancient times ) I didn’t have my period yet!
I’d be tempted to write “none of your Fucking business” to each question because I’d be pissed I was asked.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 5, 2022 16:42:47 GMT
Should a MINOR child be required or allowed to answer without a parent present?!?! If the state requires parental approval/consent for medical procedures then the same must be so for anything medical related!!! Well, I recently took my 12yo DD to get a school physical at our health clinic. I noted to the nurse that I had difficulty making the appointment online (basically couldn’t do it) and had to call in, when I previously had online access to all of her health information, vaccination records, etc. The nurse said she would look into it. Toward the end of the appointment with the doctor, I was asked to “step out and wait down at the end of the hall” while the doctor had a conversation with my kid alone. 🤔 Okay… When I was summoned back into the room, the doctor said because now DD is 12, she had to give her own consent for me to have access to her online portal. Which she did, so my permissions to view her chart, test results, make online appointments, etc. was reinstated. But they are perfectly happy for me to be the responsible party to pay the bill. Honestly I don’t have a problem with it and know there are some kids (especially older kids) who might need those protections, but for the rest of us, how annoying. I agree that children should have privacy. They should be able to deal with doctors alone. My point was that when children need/request personal medical info about family planning issues, possible pregnancy/abortion, they must have parental permission etc in many states, but a school can ask those other questions? Maybe I have misunderstood... |
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Post by milocat on Oct 5, 2022 19:51:07 GMT
In a post-Roe country, this is a big no. In a pre-Roe (pre-Roe? during Roe?) country, this is a big no. I’m in Canada and we’ve NEVER had to fill out any medical forms for our kids to play sports. DS played both high school and rep basketball and no doctor appt required. Sure we had to provide our doctors name and contact info but there was no questionnaire. I’d have not answered any of those questions and probably asked why it is any of their business in the first place, Same in Alberta. Just list your doctor's name/info. There probably was a space to provide and medical info you feel was necessary to share, as simple as a food allergy. even. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 5, 2022 19:58:18 GMT
These are standard questions on the annual physical form, required for students participating in athletics and marching band, along with a billion other questions about medical conditions, etc. I don’t get the problem… Because historically, that information was used for medical purposes. Now the article says that it is being turned over to the school. “ But in Florida, all of that medical data is then turned over to the athlete's school, contrary to other states that require only the physician's signature page to clear them to play.” Yes, the solution is not to answer the questions. But there may come a time when those questions are not optional. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2022 20:03:37 GMT
Living in FL, I'm NOT surprised!! How terrible for a minor. My DD always had very irregular periods. She didn't need a sports team to track it for her. INVASIVE!!! Why is it their business?? All girls/women have different periods at different times. I'd think that if you're a super heavy period person, you wouldn't want to engage in certain sports. It's your choice; your business!
I have to add that I've been asked SO many times here (at medical offices/hospitals, etc) the same info. I strike a line through it and write that I had a hysterectomy and don't get my period. They still ask, "When did you get that hysterectomy? The name of that doctor, etc......" Gimme a break!
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 6, 2022 0:21:10 GMT
In a post Roe world where Nevada used facebook information to prosecute a woman for an abortion, no way. Especially in Florida with a 15 week abortion ban and DeSatan in charge.
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Post by RosieKat on Oct 6, 2022 16:00:12 GMT
In TX, they also ask all of that, in what sounds like pretty much the same format. I was tempted not to answer the questions this year, but my DD is in a sport that begins even before school starts and she was unwilling to fight that fight. (She is very politically active and aware, and agreed with me in theory - but she didn't want to cause a problem that might restrict her from her season, so I respected that.)
From what I read, the outcry now isn't about them asking the questions at all - they've apparently asked that for years. The problem is that the information is now going into an electronic system that is not protected by HIPAA in any way. When I think about it, it seems like that would also be the case for turning over that info to the school on paper, but perhaps the concern is someone hacking the system? We have a database that stuff is entered into, but all that is has regarding your physical is if you are approved or injured or not approved, etc.
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Which she did, so my permissions to view her chart, test results, make online appointments, etc. was reinstated. But they are perfectly happy for me to be the responsible party to pay the bill. 
Honestly I don’t have a problem with it and know there are some kids (especially older kids) who might need those protections, but for the rest of us, how annoying.
Which she did, so my permissions to view her chart, test results, make online appointments, etc. was reinstated. But they are perfectly happy for me to be the responsible party to pay the bill. 
Honestly I don’t have a problem with it and know there are some kids (especially older kids) who might need those protections, but for the rest of us, how annoying.
