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Post by onelasttime on Oct 28, 2022 17:59:38 GMT
The case before this judge had to do with Florida’s “Don’t Say Gay” law. It was challenged and she ruled against it because “bulling is simply a fact of life”.
Which reminded me of the school officials sending home DNA kits so the kids could be identified if they were ripped to shreds by an AR-15s because apparently mass shootings have become a “fact of life” in this country.
But the thing is, bullying and mass shootings shouldn’t be seen as “a fact of life”. Yet as a country we seem to be giving up and accepting things as bullying and mass shootings as “a fact of life”.
How did we get to this point?
From the article
“It is simply a fact of life that many middle school students will face the criticism and harsh judgment of their peers."
“Indeed, middle school children bully and belittle their classmates for a whole host of reasons, all of which are unacceptable, and many of which have nothing to do with a classmate’s gender identity.”
As to the Judge’s comment, she is wrong. If people and especially parents can’t teach their kids to be accepting of those they see as different then there has to be laws to protect these people that are bullied/discriminated against. And when you have to pass laws to protect people as seen as different it becomes a sad commentary on the country as a whole.
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Post by onelasttime on Oct 28, 2022 18:04:00 GMT
But there’s more…
Here is a candidate for governor claiming the 2nd amendment is the only thing keeping this a free country.
Really.
And free from what?
In reality an unchecked 2nd amendment allows this…
and this…
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Post by onelasttime on Oct 28, 2022 18:24:44 GMT
What a thing to have to fill out because not enough people want to deal with the problem. So it becomes a “fact of life”.
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Post by dizzycheermom on Oct 28, 2022 18:25:01 GMT
I do agree with you but I want to share this. I am in the facebook group for Mothers Against Greg Abbott. I saw this post yesterday:
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I want to clarify something and I am turning off comments.
This program has been in place since GWB was governor. Here's the info:
Then-governor George W. Bush and former President of the United States, declared March 2000 as “Child Identification Month” in the state of Texas to focus public attention on ways to protect young people from harm. In the fall of 2000, with the help of Clear Channel Worldwide, Roger Staubach, Troy Aikman, Nolan Ryan and Coach Grant Teaff, free inkless ID Kits were distributed to nearly four million schoolchildren in kindergarten through 12th grade in the state of Texas, making Texas the first state to provide all of its school children with and ID Kit.
In 2006-2007, encouraged by University of Texas Coach Mack Brown, Former Texas A&M coach R.C. Slocum and TCU Coach Gary Patterson, Governor Rick Perry stepped up to provide funding to provide 2.2 million Texas school children grades K-6th with Id kits. Governor Perry began a maintenance program and was able to provide Texas Kindergarten kids every year with a child id kit while he was in office. The Texas Sheriff’s Association as well as the Texas Association of School administrators (TASA), also partnered to make the project a success.
2) We are all traumatized by School shootings that we instantly go there, even though this program has been in place for over 20 years.
3) This program was for missing children, not those killed in gun violence. It's just that now we go there because we are traumatized.
Please don't react to the over-reach of receiving this card. They have been sending it on a school by school bases since 2000.
And that's why we are not talking about it. Because the truth isn't what is being post on SM or the news. This all stemmed from missing kids on milk cartons, when parents no longer wanted them on milk cartons they moved to this program.
And we are not discussing it any further.
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Post by onelasttime on Oct 28, 2022 18:52:28 GMT
It may have started out for missing children but now it has a more devastating reason for the information on the form.
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Post by onelasttime on Oct 28, 2022 19:07:54 GMT
But there’s more…
In reality these individuals and those like them don’t like the lives people live who are not what they consider their brand of Christians.
They feel everyone MUST live and believe as they do.
And if they don’t , then they want these guys to make them…
I wonder if the Framers had any idea this could happen in this country when they were putting together this country.
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Post by onelasttime on Oct 28, 2022 19:28:33 GMT
And then there is this about the attack on Nancy Pelosi’s home. Somehow the attack on the Pelosi’s home is all Joe Biden’s fault.
And talk about irony when you have someone from this particular news station talk about a divided country and who’s responsible.
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Post by onelasttime on Oct 28, 2022 19:30:39 GMT
Interesting…
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Post by milocat on Oct 28, 2022 22:08:52 GMT
Just a fact of life Just because it's common doesn't mean it's normal.
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Post by onelasttime on Oct 28, 2022 22:17:02 GMT
When someone says it’s just “a fact of life” in my world that means shrug your shoulders and move on. Or “oh well, it happens”.
For most events that’s no problem. But when it comes to things like bullying and mass shootings then it is a problem that we just can’t shrug off. But yet too many do.
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Post by onelasttime on Oct 28, 2022 22:27:02 GMT
And finally there is this. What is it that stops people from accepting other people for who they are or for what they believe? Why do some feel they have to dictate to others how they must live their lives?
The point of this thread is to show the direction this country is being pushed.
That’s all
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Post by epeanymous on Oct 28, 2022 22:34:47 GMT
The Venn diagram of people who think gay kids have to just put up with bullying and people who think being wished a happy holiday is religious oppression is just a circle.
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Post by Merge on Oct 28, 2022 23:02:09 GMT
The Venn diagram of people who think gay kids have to just put up with bullying and people who think being wished a happy holiday is religious oppression is just a circle. Brilliant! |
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Post by Merge on Oct 29, 2022 0:25:42 GMT
The bill that liberals marketed as “Don’t say gay bill” is very simple. Sexual orientation and gender identity can not be taught to children K to 3rd grade. But it’s written vaguely enough that teachers actually in the classroom are afraid to even acknowledge the existence of gay and transgender people, including students and/or their parents. Legislators should not be making classroom decisions because they don’t understand the real world effects of the laws they pass. |
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Post by nursema on Oct 29, 2022 0:44:52 GMT
She is there because of Trump and this was planned long, long ago.
Just another American willing to cheat to win while calling themselves a “Christian”.
Just another whose actions go directly against the beliefs and teachings of the very religion they claim to practice.
This dismissal and her comments leave no question as to who she is, and more importantly, who she isn’t.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Oct 29, 2022 1:09:56 GMT
Teachers should not discuss hetero/homo/trans/penis/vagina/etc before 4th grade. That is reasonable. If a child has questions about that, teachers need to advise them to speak to their parents. K-3 should be reading, writing and math. Sex Ed is 4th grade. Quit rushing children through childhood. Why is everything sex with you? Sex can wait until 4th grade. Body parts don't. My 2 year old was naming body parts. Second, love is love. I happen to love a man and that's what my children saw at home. Other homes have two women heading up the household loving each other or two men loving each other. Kids recognize love from day #1. It has nothing to do with sex. Which I agree can wait until 4th grade. |
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Post by Merge on Oct 29, 2022 1:11:36 GMT
Teachers should not discuss hetero/homo/trans/penis/vagina/etc before 4th grade. That is reasonable. If a child has questions about that, teachers need to advise them to speak to their parents. K-3 should be reading, writing and math. Sex Ed is 4th grade. Quit rushing children through childhood. So … if Zack in kindergarten has two dads and brings that up in class, I should tell him we can’t discuss his family here? If Bradley in 3rd grade was Bella last year, we don’t acknowledge it? You don’t seem to understand that these issues come in from outside the school. We acknowledge and accept them just like we acknowledge and accept some families’ religious beliefs. But now we do so at the risk of being investigated, doxxed, and having our lives threatened. That’s not reasonable. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 29, 2022 1:54:14 GMT
What happens now that Tudor Dixon says ban books having a divorced character?
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Post by epeanymous on Oct 29, 2022 2:13:57 GMT
If I’m being honest, I don’t really care about it either way (I don’t have young children). I am simply explaining a law from my state. The bill does not say “don’t say gay”. I mentioned sex, because that is the law in question. It states sexual orientation/gender identity must not be taught before the 4th grade. I personally think is reasonable and don’t understand lawsuits against it…except making a political statement. My teacher friends agree - it is not their place to teach those subjects before 4th grade. That is for the parents to decide how/what to teach/discuss with their children. Sexual orientation is not sex unless you think it is teaching sex when you have a book with a mom and a dad. |
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Post by Merge on Oct 29, 2022 2:35:28 GMT
If I’m being honest, I don’t really care about it either way (I don’t have young children). I am simply explaining a law from my state. The bill does not say “don’t say gay”. I mentioned sex, because that is the law in question. It states sexual orientation/gender identity must not be taught before the 4th grade. I personally think is reasonable and don’t understand lawsuits against it…except making a political statement. My teacher friends agree - it is not their place to teach those subjects before 4th grade. That is for the parents to decide how/what to teach/discuss with their children. Lawsuits are because the law as written puts targets on the backs of teachers who simply acknowledge the existence of gay or trans kids and parents. The law is also unnecessary - the elected state board of education and elected local school boards set curriculum, and I can virtually guarantee there isn’t one of them who has approved explicit sex education for young kids. So why the law? It’s performative. It allows politicians to give a nod to their far-right constituents. It’s repressive. It’s designed to make students and parents afraid to be their true selves at school, and to make teachers afraid to make those kids and parents feel welcome and valued at school. The bill doesn’t say “don’t say gay,” but that is the effect it has in the classroom. Saying you don’t care about it one way or the other has the effect of saying that you don’t mind if gay and trans people are erased in any public school setting. Why do you feel the need to explain a law that you don’t care about one way or the other? |
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Post by ntsf on Oct 29, 2022 2:40:45 GMT
what about all the girls who get their period in 3rd grade.. and parents won't talk about reproduction with them?? why wait to 4th grade? how about a comprehensive curriculum that starts in kindergarten, including the proper names for body parts.. normalized the proper names.
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Post by sabrinae on Oct 29, 2022 3:00:23 GMT
Good, appropriate sex education and protects kids, including acknowledging different family situations exist. Age doesn’t prevent kids from being sexually abused. Age doesn’t stop kids from having a variety of family situations. Acknowledging the variety of family situations that exist dos nothing except ensure all kids feel accepted and acknowled and safe i talking about their own family situations. It’s not about sex unless you consider family structures sexual.
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Post by Merge on Oct 29, 2022 3:26:48 GMT
I’m not trying to change anyones mind. Suggesting that I am okay with discrimination is a simple- minded insult. You do not know me, my family, friends, life or politics. So why did you choose to explain this particular law? You may not be ok with discrimination, but hopefully now you’re aware that discrimination is the inevitable outcome of laws like these. If you’re not OK with discrimination, then I hope you’ll join those of us who oppose such laws in the future. |
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 29, 2022 6:13:39 GMT
I’m not trying to change anyones mind. Suggesting that I am okay with discrimination is a simple- minded insult. You do not know me, my family, friends, life or politics. Maybe you're not OK with discrimination but you've stated that you're OK with a law that discriminates. I'm not sure there's a distinction? As many have already pointed out, the wording of the law is deliberately vague and intended to intimidate teachers from age appropriate discussions about family structures. Sorry, but your interpretation of the law is not really relevant. What matters are the real world effects on teachers and young children. As someone who works with first and second graders, I can tell you that there are frequently questions like can 2 men marry? If I lived in Florida, I would be very careful how I answered that, if I answered it at all. I can also tell you that teaching Kindergarten, first, second and third grade includes a lot more than reading, writing and math. Children learn how to interact socially, how to share, how to take turns, how to listen to others, how to wait your turn, how to problem solve, how to do things independently, how to show kindness, how to be respectful, how to be mindful of other people's feelings etc |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Oct 29, 2022 11:35:00 GMT
I just want to throw out there that my child was transgender. She was born a boy and finally came out at 19 and began her transition. But, she had said to me that she knew in her heart she was a girl by the 3rd grade. She had mental health problems to be sure, but being transgender also influenced her 4 suicide attempts. Ultimately she died in a way that we will never know if it was accidental or intentional. But she is no longer with us and I can't help but wonder if we had known she was transgender much earlier, if she had been allowed to feel acceptance from her family and peers, if the outcome here would have been different.
When we don't talk in a way that is accepting, it absolutely does have a negative impact on these children. I've seen it firsthand.
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Post by Merge on Oct 29, 2022 12:32:27 GMT
I just want to throw out there that my child was transgender. She was born a boy and finally came out at 19 and began her transition. But, she had said to me that she knew in her heart she was a girl by the 3rd grade. She had mental health problems to be sure, but being transgender also influenced her 4 suicide attempts. Ultimately she died in a way that we will never know if it was accidental or intentional. But she is no longer with us and I can't help but wonder if we had known she was transgender much earlier, if she had been allowed to feel acceptance from her family and peers, if the outcome here would have been different. When we don't talk in a way that is accepting, it absolutely does have a negative impact on these children. I've seen it firsthand. Thank you for sharing this. I’m so sorry for the loss of your daughter. We absolutely want to prevent more deaths, and also bullying and harassment that often come from fear of the unknown. We have two openly transgender kids in our elementary school and a few more who are gender nonconforming. We also have several kids who have gay parents. These issues definitely come up in the lower grade levels and education is key to helping everyone feel safe and supported. This idea that the existence of gay and transgender people is inappropriate for young kids to hear about is just crazy to me. Ideas can and should be taught in age-appropriate ways. |
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Post by onelasttime on Oct 29, 2022 18:47:41 GMT
I’m putting this here as opposed to the thread about the attack on Paul Pelosi.
The reason is for years the Republicans have s singled out Nancy Pelosi as something “bad”. An example “You don’t want to elect this candidate because he/she shares Nancy Pelosi’s values or supports her programs. And that’s bad for you”.
And the rhetoric has gotten worse toward Democratic politicians since trump came upon the scene. And it’s spreading to other political figures. Mostly Democrats. But dumpster don doesn’t hesitate to attack Republicans he sees as his enemies.
We should be able to disagree without threatening violence. And this includes the parents that threaten teachers and school officials because they didn’t get what they wanted. These same parents the Republicans have made their poster child in their push to claim the Democrats are against free speech and are treating these parents as terrorists.
Unfortunately for this country the Republicans can’t or won’t make viable arguments for their positions, if they even have positions, but instead resort to violence whether intentionally or unintentionally to make their point.
Neither political party should see the “other guy” as the enemy. But unfortunately that is no longer the case when it comes to the Republicans and how they view those who disagree with them.
Another reminder where this country is heading.
From the article…
”WASHINGTON (AP) — An America that can already feel like it’s hurtling toward political disintegration has been jolted yet again, this time by the violent attack on the husband of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi less than two weeks before Election Day.
Seizing a hammer and leaving a trail of broken glass, an intruder broke into the couple’s San Francisco home early Friday and repeatedly struck Paul Pelosi, 82. He had surgery to repair a skull fracture and serious injuries to his right arm and hands, and his doctors expect a full recovery, the speaker’s office said.
The assailant confronted Paul Pelosi by shouting, “Where is Nancy,” according to another person familiar with the situation who was granted anonymity to discuss it. The Democratic congresswoman was in Washington at the time.
The calling out of her name was a sign that the assault could have targeted the lawmaker, who as speaker is second in line to the presidency. The ambush was a particularly savage reminder of the extremism that has coursed through American politics in recent years, adding to a sense of foreboding with the Nov. 8 election nearly at hand.”
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