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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 13, 2022 4:23:58 GMT
And Josh Hawley has been a major contributor!! 'Time to bury it': Republican senator Josh Hawley declares the Grand 'Old' Party deadBob Brigham November 12, 2022 It started before the polls even closed on election day, with Donald Trump attacking Senate GOP Leader Mitch McConnell on Fox News. *** And it escalated further on Saturday after Democratic Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto triumphed over Republican Adam Laxalt in Nevada, securing control of the U.S. Senate. Sen. Josh Hawley (R-MO) declared the time of death at 9:39 eastern on Saturday night."The old party is dead. Time to bury it," Hawley posted to social media. "Build something new," he suggested. The Republican Party, also known as the Grand Old Party (GOP), was founded 168 years ago in 1854. www.rawstory.com/rip-grand-old-party/ |
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Post by peasapie on Nov 13, 2022 9:05:51 GMT
Josh (fist pump) Hawley is a rancid POS. I hope his career is dead. He chose the wrong team and now he’s sad. Poor baby.
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Post by carhoch on Nov 13, 2022 10:28:05 GMT
Josh is part of the GOP problem not the solution .
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Post by mimima on Nov 13, 2022 11:43:13 GMT
I have thought for several years that we are watching the fracturing of the GOP that will result in its end.
Josh Hawley is an interesting person to be the one stating this as, as has been noted, he has contributed to this fraction.
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 13, 2022 11:49:58 GMT
This is an excerpt from the 2013 Republican autopsy, written by Republicans after the 2012 election loss. Today’s Republicans have ignored most of it. Instead of a party with principles and policies, the Republican Party today resembles a food fight. Name-calling, accusations, punishing perceived enemies has taken the place of ideas. The Republican Party used to have ideas. People like Tucker Carlson and General Flynn have been allowed to have too much sway. Democrats have plenty of problems too, and we need to do some work. The difference is that Democrats have policies. Did the GOP ever come up with a solid proposal for healthcare? 🤷♀️ I’m sure that the whole “autopsy,” which is what Republicans called this, is available somewhere. Basically, it says that they need ideas, and they need to bring people into the Party. www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/03/what-you-need-to-read-in-the-rnc-election-autopsy-report/274112/Maybe Senator Hawley should read it. |
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 13, 2022 14:22:26 GMT
Is it wrong to say that part of me enjoys watching them tear each other apart? In all of the discussion about why they lost, what seems to be missing is that maybe their policies are too extreme and out of touch, out of step with voters? Or that Americans soundly rejected Trump and MAGA Republicans, the Republican party needs to ditch them and their ideas? Some of the Republicans seem ready to ditch Trump, but they’re ready to embrace DeSantis, who is even worse and more authoritarian.
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Post by faithoverfear on Nov 13, 2022 14:29:05 GMT
Seems Lindsey Graham was a prophet back in 2016 when he said that if Trump becomes the Republican nominee, the Republican party would be destroyed.
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Post by pinklady on Nov 13, 2022 14:59:10 GMT
Yes, the 1990s version of the Republican Party is dead. What’s to come scares the shit out of me. They want total control of my person; my body, my mind (education), my religion and my money just to name a few.
However, the democrats better not get too cocky. We BARELY won in this midterm. I mean a few thousand votes is by no means a landslide or mandate so they better get their shit together. The octogenarians had better start welcoming Gen Z. These activists are our future and instead of hushing them, they need to openly embrace them and partner with them.
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Post by faithoverfear on Nov 13, 2022 15:08:08 GMT
We BARELY won in this midterm. This is true, but I read or heard something the other day that this is the first mid term election since something like 1936 where a first term president hasn't had big losses to his party in the mid terms. Or perhaps I misunderstood that. LOL |
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Post by amom23 on Nov 13, 2022 15:12:20 GMT
Yes, the 1990s version of the Republican Party is dead. What’s to come scares the shit out of me. They want total control of my person; my body, my mind (education), my religion and my money just to name a few. However, the democrats better not get too cocky. We BARELY won in this midterm. I mean a few thousand votes is by no means a landslide or mandate so they better get their shit together. The octogenarians had better start welcoming Gen Z. These activists are our future and instead of hushing them, they need to openly embrace them and partner with them. I see the Democrats embracing young voters. No reason for that to change. I also think elections will continue to be super close going forward. Those landslide wins are over for most races. |
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Post by faithoverfear on Nov 13, 2022 15:17:22 GMT
I see the Democrats embracing young voters. No reason for that to change. I also think elections will continue to be super close going forward. Those landslide wins are over for most races. Which scares me because that will only give the GOP more reasons to yell that the election was rigged or corrupt. If I had to whittle down the things I despise about Trump and come up with only one thing, it would be that he singlehandedly made people not trust our election process. If you all remember, when Trump lost in the 2016 Iowa caucus, his first reaction was that Cruz cheated. Not long after Trump won the presidency, he already was claiming that the 2020 election was going to be the most corrupt in American history. He alone planted that seed that rooted and grew and now, no matter what proof there is or isn't there are always going to be people who think if a Republican loses, it will be because the other side cheated. And this is what we should all be scared about, no matter what party we affiliate ourselves with. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Nov 13, 2022 15:17:32 GMT
The Republican party has been behaving as two distinctly separate parties for some time. One is in agreement with the Democrats and one is in direct opposition to them.
Is the old guard dead? One can only hope.
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 13, 2022 15:31:32 GMT
The Republican party has been behaving as two distinctly separate parties for some time. One is in agreement with the Democrats and one is in direct opposition to them. Is the old guard dead? One can only hope. You were wrong about control of the Senate, you were wrong about the Republicans easily taking control of the House, and you were wrong about voting in Maricopa county, so let's hope you're wrong about this, too. For the sake of our democracy, most of us hope that the Trump & MAGA loving part of the party is dead. Our country needs 2 functioning parties and a MAGA Republican Party is not one. MAGA Republicans are a huge threat to our country, to our democracy and to the future. Fortunately, many voters chose democracy over MAGA Republicans. Opposition to Democratic policies is one thing. Opposition to free and fair elections is entirely different. |
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Post by pinklady on Nov 13, 2022 15:39:05 GMT
The Republican party has been behaving as two distinctly separate parties for some time. One is in agreement with the Democrats and one is in direct opposition to them. Is the old guard dead? One can only hope. “One is in agreement with the Democrats“ 😂🤣😂 Burping up more bullshit. Be gone you loon |
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Post by faithoverfear on Nov 13, 2022 15:48:26 GMT
The Republican party has been behaving as two distinctly separate parties for some time. One is in agreement with the Democrats and one is in direct opposition to them. Which part of the GOP do you think is in agreement with Democrats? Is your criteria for that those who don't like Trump and what he did to the party? Because I don't see that as agreeing with the Democrats. I see that as a smart person who didn't fall for Trump's lines of bullshit and don't want him to rule the GOP. |
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Post by epeanymous on Nov 13, 2022 15:53:16 GMT
I can't get too excited. A major motivating factor this election was Dobbs/Roe. Which means people were motivated in no small part by not wanting things to get significantly worse than they were all of six months ago.
Both parties need to be better about articulating what they can do for people. But it is definitely true that a message of "we will take away your abortion rights and put up eff Joe Biden signs" isn't a platform that resonates.
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Post by hop2 on Nov 13, 2022 15:57:34 GMT
There was a time, not actually so long ago, when senate confirmation hearings were based solely on qualifications I did not have to care who Nevada had for a senator. Probably never crossed my mind. RBG was confirmed with 96 bipartisan votes. Infrastructure bills passed, we built roads & water lines because we needed them.
Now roads are socialism and confirmation hearings are a complete joke & I have to care who is a senator in another state.
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Post by Merge on Nov 13, 2022 16:01:51 GMT
I can't get too excited. A major motivating factor this election was Dobbs/Roe. Which means people were motivated in no small part by not wanting things to get significantly worse than they were all of six months ago. Both parties need to be better about articulating what they can do for people. But it is definitely true that a message of "we will take away your abortion rights and put up eff Joe Biden signs" isn't a platform that resonates. A large part of the MAGA philosophy, though, is that government shouldn't do anything for people except build a wall on the southern border. It's every man (with a gun) for himself in MAGA-land. That's why they don't have policy ideas. They don't think they should have to. Healthcare, education ... they think there should be no unified effort to provide basics for all, but rather that people should have only what they can afford for themselves - or take at gunpoint - and everyone else can just die poor and uneducated. The rich can't get richer in a world where working people have options. ETA: this didn't used to be the GOP view. The GOP I remember and even voted for once upon a time was pro-education and didn't go around trying to cut Medicare and keep poor people off of Medicaid. They were not Russia's friend. MAGA is a whole different ball of wax. My husband, the former Marine, still considers himself Republican but won't vote for MAGA. |
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Post by Merge on Nov 13, 2022 16:03:07 GMT
There was a time, not actually so long ago, when senate confirmation hearings were based solely on qualifications I did not have to care who Nevada had for a senator. Probably never crossed my mind. RBG was confirmed with 96 bipartisan votes. Infrastructure bills passed, we built roads & water lines because we needed them. Now roads are socialism and confirmation hearings are a complete joke & I have to care who is a senator in another state. Yep. And as long as that's the case, people need to get used to the fact that there will be outside money funding senate and congressional campaigns. |
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Post by Merge on Nov 13, 2022 16:07:26 GMT
The Republican party has been behaving as two distinctly separate parties for some time. One is in agreement with the Democrats and one is in direct opposition to them. Which part of the GOP do you think is in agreement with Democrats? Is your criteria for that those who don't like Trump and what he did to the party? Because I don't see that as agreeing with the Democrats. I see that as a smart person who didn't fall for Trump's lines of bullshit and don't want him to rule the GOP. "Agrees with the Democrats" = thinks we should continue to uphold the constitution and operate as a representative democracy rather than an authoritarian theocracy. And yes, the other side is in direct opposition to that. |
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Post by Skellinton on Nov 13, 2022 16:12:28 GMT
We BARELY won in this midterm. This is true, but I read or heard something the other day that this is the first mid term election since something like 1936 where a first term president hasn't had big losses to his party in the mid terms. Or perhaps I misunderstood that. LOL That is completely true. Normally the midterms after an election result in a huge loss for the President’s party. That did not happen this time at all and despite our resident Red Wave Delusionist the Democrats actually flipped several seats. This was an absolutely historical win for the Democrats. That being said, many races were entirely too close and several MAGA deplorables won their races way too easily, but as a whole this was a historic election and does give me a glimmer of hope. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 13, 2022 16:16:22 GMT
I can't get too excited. A major motivating factor this election was Dobbs/Roe. Which means people were motivated in no small part by not wanting things to get significantly worse than they were all of six months ago. Both parties need to be better about articulating what they can do for people. But it is definitely true that a message of "we will take away your abortion rights and put up eff Joe Biden signs" isn't a platform that resonates. A large part of the MAGA philosophy, though, is that government shouldn't do anything for people except build a wall on the southern border. It's every man (with a gun) for himself in MAGA-land. That's why they don't have policy ideas. They don't think they should have to. Healthcare, education ... they think there should be no unified effort to provide basics for all, but rather that people should have only what they can afford for themselves - or take at gunpoint - and everyone else can just die poor and uneducated. The rich can't get richer in a world where working people have options. I do think that Dobbs-and fear of what other rights they might take away-played a part. Having said that, it is true that today’s Repubs have very few policies. And this is a problem. Whatever one thinks of Democrats, they have plans and policies. Most voters are tired of hearing about stolen elections. Also, the voting records of the GOP Congress did not work in their favor. If all you have is a list of complaints and accusations, then you have very little to offer voters. I don’t want to be cocky about this, because democracy is still in danger. I will admit that I am chortling about how some Republicans are turning on Trump. No one deserves it more. Exhibit A: ETA: Ruh-Roh |
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Post by pinklady on Nov 13, 2022 17:13:50 GMT
Republicans are always saying the quiet parts out loud.
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Post by Merge on Nov 13, 2022 17:18:22 GMT
Lots of crying from MAGA Twitter about how the polls couldn’t all be wrong, must be election fraud! Yet they were happy to accept the results in 2016 when the polls had been wrong.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 13, 2022 17:45:41 GMT
Lots of crying from MAGA Twitter about how the polls couldn’t all be wrong, must be election fraud! Yet they were happy to accept the results in 2016 when the polls had been wrong. I’d also noticed a lot of talk about early/mail in voting. Either they see it as a means of cheating or they say they need to get on board with it. I see it as just a means of voting. It isn’t some magical winning ticket for democrats. |
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Post by Merge on Nov 13, 2022 17:48:33 GMT
LOL.
I actually think Mitch must have agreed to this little byplay, which seems very unlike him. A sense of humor! Who knew??
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Post by epeanymous on Nov 13, 2022 17:52:01 GMT
A large part of the MAGA philosophy, though, is that government shouldn't do anything for people except build a wall on the southern border. It's every man (with a gun) for himself in MAGA-land. That's why they don't have policy ideas. They don't think they should have to. Healthcare, education ... they think there should be no unified effort to provide basics for all, but rather that people should have only what they can afford for themselves - or take at gunpoint - and everyone else can just die poor and uneducated. The rich can't get richer in a world where working people have options. I do think that Dobbs-and fear of what other rights they might take away-played a part. Having said that, it is true that today’s Repubs have very few policies. And this is a problem. Whatever one thinks of Democrats, they have plans and policies. Most voters are tired of hearing about stolen elections. Also, the voting records of the GOP Congress did not work in their favor. If all you have is a list of complaints and accusations, then you have very little to offer voters. I don’t want to be cocky about this, because democracy is still in danger. I will admit that I am chortling about how some Republicans are turning on Trump. No one deserves it more. Exhibit A: ETA: Ruh-Roh One thing I have noticed is that often right-wing folks will basically use bully tactics to try to either dominate a space or make it seem evenly divided. Because people don't like being threatened or belittled, they disengage from the conversation, and the bully gets the impression that they have won, when, in fact, people have just quietly backed away. |
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Post by Merge on Nov 13, 2022 17:54:45 GMT
Lots of crying from MAGA Twitter about how the polls couldn’t all be wrong, must be election fraud! Yet they were happy to accept the results in 2016 when the polls had been wrong. I’d also noticed a lot of talk about early/mail in voting. Either they see it as a means of cheating or they say they need to get on board with it. I see it as just a means of voting. It isn’t some magical winning ticket for democrats. Really, early and mail-in voting increase voter turnout, and that's what they don't like. Higher turnout is historically better for Democrats. Texas has put much greater restrictions on mail-in voting and it did effectively depress turnout this year, especially in urban areas. |
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Post by hop2 on Nov 13, 2022 18:40:27 GMT
Lots of crying from MAGA Twitter about how the polls couldn’t all be wrong, must be election fraud! Yet they were happy to accept the results in 2016 when the polls had been wrong. I’d also noticed a lot of talk about early/mail in voting. Either they see it as a means of cheating or they say they need to get on board with it. I see it as just a means of voting. It isn’t some magical winning ticket for democrats. Oh, but it allows people to vote who have to work on Election Day when the polls are open, therefore allowing more people to vote. ( which should be a good thing ) To them this somehow equates to left leaning people?!? Which naturally means cheating since they aren’t voting their way. Are there any studies to show that either side votes early more prevalently? |
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Post by Sarah*H on Nov 13, 2022 19:27:15 GMT
The Republican party has been behaving as two distinctly separate parties for some time. One is in agreement with the Democrats and one is in direct opposition to them. Is the old guard dead? One can only hope. If by "in agreement with the Democrats" you mean continue to believe that a democratic republic and adherence to the rule of law are the best ways to govern a nation, then sure. Somehow, I doubt that's what you mean though  What's been interesting to me is that so many people who proclaimed to have a coherent political ideology, who professed to believe in limited government and love of country were so quick to abandon all of that as soon as a demagogue rose up to coopt their party. Now it's not so much an coherent belief system as it a zealotry to own the libs and force a Christo-fascist ruling system to attempt to govern 335,000,000 people. I hope your party does split. And as much as I detest many of the political positions of people like Liz Cheney, George Conway and Adam Kinzinger, I hope they are ultimately successful in wresting control of the Republican party back to traditional conservative values and grinding this neo-authoritarian, white nationalist, fascist wing of the party into the dustbin of history. I used to think that a politician like George W. Bush pushing tax cuts for his rich donors in furtherance of a nonsensical economic theory like trickle-down was the height of political outrage but if your people have succeeded at anything over the last 6 years, it's to remind the rest of us what is really at stake. |
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