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Post by buddysmom on Jan 5, 2023 16:21:02 GMT
Looking at flights to Europe this spring. There's five large airports I can leave from. The ones that are "pretty reasonable in price" (some are $5K-obviously no way!) each have two stops, one in the US and the next in a Shengen country before our destination. Almost all of them have about 1.5 hour layovers in the US (Newark, JFK, Dulles) and one actually has a one hour 10 minute layover in the Shengen country!
With all the cancellations/delays, etc, what's the minimum you will do? Or if you've recently done one, how did it go?
I know they build in time so that most flights "arrive on time" (like a 2 hour flight, they say is 2.5 hours). But to go from the domestic terminal to international in the US plus then immigration in the first Shengen country, that is cutting it really close.
I like a 2-3 hour layover but it seems they are only 1.5 hours or nine hours.
ETA-destination is also a Schengen country.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Jan 5, 2023 16:26:50 GMT
I would not attempt a plane change from domestic to international at Newark or JFK in under 2 hours. No experience with Dulles. My personal minimum is closer to 3 hours. It's just not worth the stress and worry about close connections for me. Is your final destination in a Schengen country?
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Post by katlady on Jan 5, 2023 16:46:29 GMT
I would worry about having to change terminals and go through security again. 90 minutes would have me very worried! If you don’t have to change terminals, then it would be ok. At LAX, United’s international flights leave from the same terminal as their domestic flights. But I know most airlines and airports don’t do that.
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Post by wellway on Jan 5, 2023 16:48:10 GMT
Did an international flight last November, short direct flights between two European countries. Should have been a piece of cake, not so much.
Departure
Flight was delayed by a few hours due to weather issues affecting the plane arriving. The airport I flew in to was way bigger than I remembered, luggage took forever to show up, meant I missed my onward booked bus, thankfully got the next available one as I was going a few hours cross country.
Return journey
Flight slightly delayed departing but not by much. Was wondering why there were so many people in the gate area, turns out their flight was delayed by four to five hours.
If I had to make onward flight connections I would have been a wreck. I knew I just needed to land in either country and had options if I was really stuck, i.e. relatives I could call who would help.
I would have to have three/four hours wriggle room built in, less if I only had cabin luggage.
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Post by slowrunner70 on Jan 5, 2023 18:05:24 GMT
I'd rather have a nine hour layover than a 90 minute one! In most major airports there are plenty of things to see and do to keep you busy. My favorite airport is Schiphol. Last time I flew to Europe, I had a layover there that was almost 9 hours. I was lucky enough to have access to the KLM lounge (got an amazing deal on Delta One), and it was mindblowing. But even without lounge access, you won't be bored.
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Post by hop2 on Jan 5, 2023 18:07:12 GMT
I try so very hard to have direct flights. And I have had that mostly. I hate lay overs I have the worst luck with stuff like that.
90 mins is cutting it close in Newark for changing terminals outgoing. I’d say at night you might be able to but then the linked monorail probably runs less so that’s tight.
Absolutely a NO GO on the way into this country as customs at Newark is literally the worst, slowest, meanest, customs I have ever been thru in any country. 3 hours MIN for a connection thru Newark if I’m entering the country. Customs is after you get your baggage so then you’d have to recheck? I can’t say for sure because Newark is usually my final stop but I know I go thru customs with my bags. Do they have separate customs for connecting travelers?
Good luck
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Post by monklady123 on Jan 5, 2023 18:21:04 GMT
Even before all these flight delays and cancellations I went out of my way to avoid JFK. The last time I flew overseas I paid a bit more for a direct flight from Dulles rather than fly from National (which is close to my house) to JFK and then on overseas. I remember my dd and I had a layover in Germany on our way home from Israel that was shorter than I was comfortable with but it worked out because we didn't have to change from domestic to international. If you were planning to do that at Newark or JFK...well, I'd say don't. On the other hand you don't want to hang around for 9 hours in either airport.
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Post by scrapcat on Jan 5, 2023 18:21:51 GMT
Flights just suck right now... but, I also would prefer 2-3 hour.
Are you staying on the same airline? Switching airlines? Can you contact the airline and ask?
I only suggest this because I was recently bumped to the next (6 hour later) flight before I exited my connection even though I probably could've made it to gate in time with a bit of running. British Air didn't give the option and had it switched before I could do anything.
Also maybe research customs in the first country - if they have a lot of those kiosks then it can go rather quick, but all depends on how many other flights are arriving. Consider the days of the week you are traveling to estimate how busy it may be. I'm sure there's stats on this somewhere.
Good luck planning!
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Post by epeanymous on Jan 5, 2023 19:51:02 GMT
Like everyone I try to avoid connections. Anything involving customs, i think 1.5 hours is too short--I almost missed a connection a couple of years ago with two hours (and the last US customs line I stood in took 1.5 hours this summer).
The one thing I want to add to posts above is that if you are connecting in a way that involves customs at the connection, you can't necessarily count on being able to avoid problems by using a carry-on--research the plane, because I was on an international flight last summer where the overhead bins were too small for standard American carry-ons and very unexpectedly had to check my relatively small carry-on.
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Post by Zee on Jan 5, 2023 20:08:41 GMT
I learned something new today. I had to Google Schengen and look at a map.
Mind blown that I've never once heard this term. 🤯
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Post by canadianlinda on Jan 5, 2023 20:32:11 GMT
I wouldn’t take that risk. I’ve done several international flights ( not into the airports you are using) and it’s much better to have at least 4 or 5 hours turn around for your next flight.
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Post by cadoodlebug on Jan 5, 2023 21:09:16 GMT
3 hours MIN for a connection thru Newark if I’m entering the country. Customs is after you get your baggage so then you’d have to recheck? I can’t say for sure because Newark is usually my final stop but I know I go thru customs with my bags. Do they have separate customs for connecting travelers? Several trips ago we came home through Newark. Just had to get our luggage and walk it over to another carrousel around the corner. It was already checked through to SFO. We did go through customs but it wasn't bad so I'm thinking it must be separate for connecting travelers.
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Post by sueg on Jan 5, 2023 22:02:49 GMT
from the European end - you will have to do passport control at your entry to the Schengen area, so 70 minutes would be really cutting it fine. You might not have to collect luggage though - it is usually booked through. The past couple of times I have entered the EU (Australian citizen; German resident) - both times at Munich airport - passport control for non-EU passport holders took ages. They were asking everyone lots of questions: Where are you from, how long are you staying, asking for proof of accommodation and return flights. One couple with children ahead of me in March were questioned for a good twenty minutes, which of course held up the rest of the queue. If you also had to change terminals and go through security again, it would be really tight.
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Post by ComplicatedLady on Jan 5, 2023 22:37:23 GMT
I learned something new today. I had to Google Schengen and look at a map. Mind blown that I've never once heard this term. 🤯 Same. I lean toward longer layovers. 90 mins for a layover to transfer to an international flight would make me nervous. If my only options were 90 mins or 9 hours, I’d go with 9 hours. 90 mins is about my comfort zone for US domestic flights.
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Post by tanya2 on Jan 5, 2023 22:48:28 GMT
I learned something new today. I had to Google Schengen and look at a map. Mind blown that I've never once heard this term. 🤯 me too! I hate a tight connection. I'm flying next weekend through Atlanta, and my connection is only 55 minutes. I'm stressed, but fully prepared that I may be spending a night in Atlanta
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Post by Basket1lady on Jan 5, 2023 22:48:46 GMT
I learned something new today. I had to Google Schengen and look at a map. Mind blown that I've never once heard this term. 🤯 It’s a big deal in Europe and affects a lot of life when traveling in and out of the area. If you travel from one Schengen country to another, it’s generally a breeze. But an hour? That’s never gonna happen these days.
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Post by rickmer on Jan 5, 2023 22:51:49 GMT
depends... i would do a short layover if it was the same airline. we had 30 mins in lisbon from toronto>lisbon>malaga... but both flights thru TAP (portuguese airline). dd had been on same flight 2 months before, missed connection and TAP paid for hotel and gave them meal vouchers as next flight wasn't til following day.
we did same flight, went into GIANT room with at least 400 ppl lined up to get thru customs. i thought "we will *never* get on this flight, oh well". refused to get stressed out about it. turns out, heard an airline employee walking around asking anyone connecting to malaga... went over to her she took us right to the front, taxiing down the runway 20 mins later on that flight!
if it was different airlines, the minimum i would do would be 2-3 hrs. but if i had a choice between 1h45m and 9 hrs - i would take 1h45m and hope for the best!!!
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Post by worldwanderer75 on Jan 5, 2023 23:07:01 GMT
I have taken tons of flights just like you’re talking about (1 stop in USA, I stop in Europe). You will not have to go through customs until you land at your final destination on your way there. You will go through customs on your first leg back into the USA (except if you go through London which I would try to avoid). I have done lots of flight with 90 minute connections. Make sure it’s the same airline and you should be fine and not have to change terminals. I think you can do it!
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Post by Nanner on Jan 5, 2023 23:24:05 GMT
I would never do less than 2.5 hours. And that's if I was feeling risky.
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Post by littlemama on Jan 5, 2023 23:44:44 GMT
Ask yourself if you would be okay if you missed your connection. I think you'll find your answer.
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Post by carhoch on Jan 6, 2023 13:35:45 GMT
For international flight I want 2 hours minimum but I like three better.
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Post by Really Red on Jan 6, 2023 13:59:14 GMT
Tell me the airports and I can tell you better what might happen.
A couple weeks ago I flew from Dulles to Edinburgh with a plane change in Dublin. The layover was 1.5 hours and we landed 1hr15mns late. I made the flight because there were 20 people on the Edinburgh flight going to Dublin. My bag did not. I did not have to go through security again. If I had chosen London as my stopover, I would probably still be there. Hah.
Many times, you can do your international security stuff at your home airport so even if you have a layover in the US, you should not have to go through it again.
I pick where I fly from and to based a lot on security and any time I possibly can, I fly direct. It sounds like you can't but your situation is very dependent on the airports.
FWIW, I'd like a 2hr window. That is usually enough.
ETA: I see that your LOs can be Newark (NO!), JFK (NO!), Dulles (YES!). I will take a longer flight to avoid those first two airports. I am pretty sure you won't have to go through security again if you go to Dulles.
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Post by huskergal on Jan 6, 2023 14:03:22 GMT
I had to catch an international flight from Riga to Finland. We got to the Finland's airport with 30 minutes before our flight left. We literally had to run from one end of the airport to the other and go through security. We barely made it. They called our names over the system. I would not recommend a tight schedule!
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Post by beaglemom on Jan 6, 2023 14:12:21 GMT
We were really worried over Thanksgiving. We had an hour between a flight from Detroit to Paris and then the flight to Abu Dhabi. We had time to use the rest room and that was it. We were the last people they let on the plane. But we made it.
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Post by disneypal on Jan 6, 2023 14:47:20 GMT
I'd rather have a nine hour layover than a 90 minute one! In most major airports there are plenty of things to see and do to keep you busy. Same here - tight flight connections are so stressful to me. I just like to take my time and be calm when I travel.
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Post by grammadee on Jan 6, 2023 15:10:51 GMT
I'd rather have a nine hour layover than a 90 minute one! In most major airports there are plenty of things to see and do to keep you busy. Same here - tight flight connections are so stressful to me. I just like to take my time and be calm when I travel. Me too. Even if your flight is on time, 90 minutes to navigate a huge complex and security check ins and all the rest would be way too stressful for me. Load some books or movies on your tablet, find a spot to plug in your charger, and prepare for a relaxing--if long--journey.
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Post by guzismom on Jan 6, 2023 15:12:57 GMT
Your first entry into the EU is where you will go through customs and immigration; however, that does NOT mean you will not have to pass through some sort of 'passport control' after that. I have missed connections in Frankfurt where I had WELL OVER TWO HOURS and still did not get through in time. On our way home in December we had an issue in Brussels; although we were traveling from another EU country, we were on a 'passport control' line that took nearly two hours to get through. So these days, I look for connections of three hours. Yes, it makes for a long trip; but it is certainly even LONGER if I miss a connection, kwim?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2023 15:56:35 GMT
I wouldn't. Been there done it, got burnt badly.
Allow at least 3 hours if not more. Be prepared that with 3 , you may still have to run. Avoid london connections.
In Shengen countries, once check in, go to the gate, as you have to go though passport control to leave , with Brexit, lots more people going though non eu, so prepare for long queues
No through checking of bags inbound from europe to US . US connection in dulles everyone through security again. If you have checked in a bag, you have to pick it up and put it on another belt yourself
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