momto4kiddos
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Post by momto4kiddos on Jan 8, 2023 12:01:49 GMT
Just looking for some feedback and thoughts as my thoughts have changed direction on the subject this week.
So i've been talking about downsizing for several years now. We finally have 1 kid left in the house so it was starting to seem like it could happen. Then the housing market goes insane. So unlike many years ago when a smaller house seemed like it was about half the cost of a larger one (like ranch vs colonial) now smaller houses in our area are going for a lot of money. Like ranch is 450k-500k and the colonial type is probably netting 700k
So this has skewed my view on moving. We'd likely get the high end, but would spend most of it remodeling a smaller home. Anyone else find it's cheaper to stay in a larger home after the kids moved out than move? Is there a ratio or something that factored to make it more worthwhile to move?
We definitely weren't planning to stay here long time, but i've come to realize it really makes the most sense financially at this point.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jan 8, 2023 12:41:17 GMT
I don't think you're alone in the downsizing frame of mind. I live in a very affordable area for my city. My neighborhood is filled with 1960s ranch houses. 3 bedroom, usually 1 bath. We have created a 4th bedroom and another bathroom in our finished basement. And have an addition that serves as our dining room. So, I have the biggest house on my street. I've been asked 6 times in the past 1.5 years if I will sell my house.
My neighborhood used to be filled with young families. And now more and more, it is filling up with older people. We are empty nesters too and we have no plans to ever move elsewhere. But right now my neighborhood is so hot that houses are barely even getting shown and are going for well over market price.
We bought our house in 2015. We paid $105,000 for it. And I recently had an offer for $165,000. That might not seem like much in the grand scheme of things but when we were looking for homes in 2015, things in my neighborhood were going for $85,000-$115,000. So $165,000 is a huge increase.
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CeeScraps
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Post by CeeScraps on Jan 8, 2023 13:18:46 GMT
We downsized a couple of years ago. If we were going to do it now we probably wouldn't. We'd wait it out a bit to see when interest rates would drop.
Now, stuff......I highly, highly recommend starting to get rid of whatever. That will help a lot when you do move. I had done a bit before we made our final decision, but not enough.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 8, 2023 13:19:45 GMT
Where are your kids settling? Will they need bedrooms when they come to see you at holidays? My mom and stepdad are considering moving but we have a large blended family and nobody lives close enough to just come back for a day to visit without staying overnight. Just something to consider.
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Post by littlemama on Jan 8, 2023 13:20:16 GMT
We arent looking to downsize per se. Our current home is 1450 sq ft. We are looking to switch to a ranch at some point in the future.
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MorningPerson
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Post by MorningPerson on Jan 8, 2023 13:22:06 GMT
Our house is definitely more than what we need for the two of us, but at this point we like having all the extra room for when our kids and grandkids stay with us. If they were all local to us (I wish!) we might consider getting a smaller place.
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Post by smasonnc on Jan 8, 2023 13:36:26 GMT
Start downsizing your stuff now, the wait for interest rates to go down if you're not paying cash. That's the worst part. We bought the home we were going to retire in when DH decided to retire. He didn't. Three years later, he finally decided to retire and they offered him a job in Hong Kong so we were there for two years. In the end, we retired with a house containing 25 years' worth of our stuff, kids' stuff, MIL stuff, all our stuff from our place in HK, and a fully furnished house in Florida. I played "Keep-Giveaway-Throwaway" every day for a year.
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Post by mikklynn on Jan 8, 2023 13:45:47 GMT
We bought a new townhouse, but it's actually larger than our single family house by 300 SF.
But, it has 2 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, and laundry on the main level. It's definitely suitable for aging in place. Our house was multi level.
I spent 2 years going through everything and purging as much as possible. The more you do, the easier it gets.
I didnt plan to be widowed before I moved. I would probably have tried to find a little smaller place, but i do need guest space for my DS and grandkids. We found it's not easy to find anything between 1100 SF no basement and over 2500 SF with a basement.
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Post by wordfish on Jan 8, 2023 13:54:07 GMT
I think the financial analysis of whether it makes sense to downsize from a larger house to a smaller one is only one part of the downsizing picture. It may not make good financial sense from the real estate transaction standpoint, though if you aren't going to need a mortgage, that does change things a bit, in that you won't have to give up a potentially lower interest-rate mortgage for a potentially higher one. So that is one factor.
Larger things at play in your overall decision focus more on lifestyle and future needs. For example: Do you want to move because your current house has no downstairs bedrooms and you want to age in a house with at least one downstairs bedroom and full bathroom? That's a legitimate question. Another example: Do you need to climb stairs to get into or out of your current house? That's fine now, but in the future it might pose an issue that could cause you to have to leave a home that otherwise suits you just fine. What about bedrooms for adult children (and their children) to return to? Is that a factor? A separate area for children down the road, adult or grands? That should probably not be a huge factor if you expect only occasional visits--but it's a factor all the same.
What about property maintenance? Is your current home a bit much in that regard, where if you move to a smaller, all-one-level home, things can be reached and the yard does not require as much upkeep? Or maybe it's your dream to cultivate and tend an outstanding garden as you grow older, but your current property would not support that.
Because my mother lived with us for almost 25 years, I was able to get a front-row seat and participate in these kinds of decisions for my mom. There came a point, and it was with this current house, where we made the decision for ourselves that in the future, any home we bought would need a ground-floor bedroom and bathroom suite that we could live in if something happened to affect our mobility. Our current house definitely provides that, and our bedroom is on the ground floor. We also require a solution for ingress/egress that avoids steps. Our current house has two sets of stairs to enter from the front, but we created a back entrance solution that avoids that. We don't use it, but it's ready if we ever need it, or if someone who visits us needs it.
Then there's the lifestyle thing. For me, once my children graduated from high school and college, I really did not feel we "belonged" in the suburbs. I grew up in suburbs, raised my family in them, nothing wrong with them at all. But for me, I didn't want to live the rest of my life in a traditional suburb. No interest in that. So that left basically two options: City or country. Country is okay, a good option, but city is what we decided on. We bought a 125-year-old house in a historic district near downtown Knoxville. It's definitely a neighborhood, but it's a city neighborhood. Best of both worlds. Nice and quirky, a good mix of rehabbed glory and some opportunities for improvement. I like that kind of energy.
So in terms of your decision, I really suggest you consider it with an eye that though you might not want your next home to be your "last" home, sometimes things turn out differently than we plan and it's a good idea to have the basics of what you need to age in place past a certain life stage (my personal gauge is maybe mid to late forties or maybe fifties).
The financial formula for your decision is something you should be able to calculate pretty easily in terms of real estate values and what you will save in monthly costs being in a smaller home. I really think the bigger issue is the rest of the picture, though. Good luck deciding. It sounds like you are in a nice position to do that. Good for you!
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Post by leannec on Jan 8, 2023 14:02:39 GMT
I downsized from a four bedroom, 2.5 bath two storey house to a 1100 square foot condo in November ... I've been separated for more than three years and now divorced ... we sold the house (which I lived in alone for that time) after a year of remodeling ... I have two bedrooms and two bathrooms and my new place is perfect for me! I'm lucky in that my young adult dd's still live with ex in a large house ... they sleep over at my place from time to time ... I will not have grandchildren for awhile ... my house will not be the place they sleep in probably ... ex's will be.
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cakediva
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Post by cakediva on Jan 8, 2023 14:10:47 GMT
We upsized 13 years ago and only one of our three is left at home. We built new, and have added value as the years have gone by (deck, fence, front landscaping, quartz counters) and have plans to re-carpet the bedrooms and then hardwood our stairs and upstairs hallway.
NO plans to sell and downsize any time soon.
As well, my commercial kitchen for my cake business is in the basement and u til I hang up my piping bag, it makes no sense to move.
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Post by guzismom on Jan 8, 2023 14:12:47 GMT
Nope. Even if the real estate market was favorable for it (which it is not, as you've stated), I live in my dream home. It was custom built for us and I told hubby at the time that my next move would be to the cemetary. God willing, that will be the case. I'm never moving.
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Post by pjynx on Jan 8, 2023 14:35:28 GMT
Last March we sold our 3000 sq ft house for a 900 sq ft condo. However, that was with only the first floor of the condo finished. Basement was just studded when we bought the condo. We had it finished over the summer so now it’s approx 2000 sq ft.
We had been empty nesters for about 3 years and definitely did not need all the space in the house. But we were both about 20 minutes from work so it wasn’t a huge concern. When my DH got a new job in fall ‘21, it put him at about a 55 minute commute. That’s what sparked our interest in selling. We were a little Leary of selling due to the crazy housing market and the possibility of not finding something else right away. But we have a cottage nearby that we could use as fall-back housing if we had to be out of the house before we found something. But the timing all worked out and got possession of the condo about 3 weeks before we had to be out of the house (we were able to negotiate keeping the house (rent-free) for 30 days after close.
Pam
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iowgirl
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Post by iowgirl on Jan 8, 2023 14:51:18 GMT
I've always said the only way I'm leaving is feet first. I know it will get harder to live here as we age. 3 story house. I said the steps keep me active! But this is our farm house on our farm ground. We would never ever sell it. I think we would burn it down before we ever sold it.
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Post by hop2 on Jan 8, 2023 14:51:28 GMT
Unfortunately no, I wanted to, I tried to, but smaller homes were the hit item when I was looking. So I ended up getting a house bigger than I needed but for the same price as the smaller ones. Weird ass market last year.
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Post by Linda on Jan 8, 2023 15:01:09 GMT
no -we actually went a bit bigger when we bought in late 2020 but like wordfish said - as we were 50 then, we did look at houses with an eye to aging in place. We do have a 2-storey house but upstairs is only DD's bedroom/bath, guest bedrooms/bath, and DH's bonus space. Everything else including my craft space and our bedroom/bath is on the ground floor. No stairs in/out of the house. We want to remodel our bathroom down the road to get rid of the bath and put in an accessible shower instead but for now we have a transfer bench in there which works for me when I need it (I'm the one with the most mobility challenges). Our neighbourhood was built in the late 70s/early 80s and many of the houses still have the original owners BUT that's changing - and several of the houses nearest to us have sold in the past couple of years.
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Post by heckofagal on Jan 8, 2023 15:07:30 GMT
We never really upsized. We built a 1450 SF ranch style house before our 2 DDs were born. (3 bedroom, 2 bath). Eventually finished most of the basement and added another bath down there so I’m not really sure what our SF is now. Our DDs are grown but still living at home and this place feels too small for the 4 of us. But they should both be moving out within the next year and we’ve been working on updates to our home so we will not be going anywhere.
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Post by bigbundt on Jan 8, 2023 16:17:45 GMT
I'd like to think of it more like right sizing. We made a move from a 3,000 sq ft house to a similarly sized house BUT the layout is much more condusive to this being our forever home. The primary living areas and bedroom is downstairs. The lot is flat compared to the steep incline of our last house. Not a lot of steps to get into the house.
We have no plans to move ever again.
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Post by kitkath on Jan 8, 2023 16:21:03 GMT
We moved to our 2 bedroom, 1-1/2 bath lake cottage and added a huge addition. We use the original first floor bedroom and bath. Our addition was a huge garage and workshop for my husband but we included a big party kitchen/great room and 3 upstairs bedrooms and a full bathroom for our girls. They come with their boyfriends and invite friends to visit fairly often. This gives us the easy first floor access we may need someday but also provided a place that everyone can enjoy. We hope it is filled with grandchildren someday but so far it’s just been cats!
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Post by busy on Jan 8, 2023 16:59:56 GMT
We only have about 1800 sf as it is, but I’m looking forward to downsizing to something in a more walkable area. Once it’s just DH and me, we’d be fine with 1200ish sf tailored to our needs. I’d rather be walking distance to a gym than having space dedicated in my home. I’d rather have a smaller office space and be walkable to a co-working space. And so on.
More space makes more stuff and more work. I’d like to spend more time doing stuff away from home and less maintaining it.
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caangel
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Post by caangel on Jan 8, 2023 17:00:39 GMT
My kids are still in middle/high school but it is something we have thought about. We upsized 11 yrs ago by gutting and adding a second story to our house and are at almost 3k sft. But we still have the original owners suite and an additional bedroom downstairs plus the original guest bath. So we could easily live only on the first level. We didn't remodel the two original baths but the desperately need it now and we will do them with accessibility in mind. We love our home, especially since DH designed the remodel but we will see where our kids settle before we decide to stay here permanently. We'd both love some kind of view if we did move.
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Post by 950nancy on Jan 8, 2023 18:08:36 GMT
We just moved after 33 years and we upsized. I fell in love with the lot and area. I didn't have a specific square foot in mind, so I didn't think a lot about when we decided to purchase. Our bedroom is huge (it is open to our office area) and the public areas are large. It is what we needed. One day we'l downsize.
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Post by imkat on Jan 8, 2023 18:20:19 GMT
We downsized a few years ago when our youngest went to college. Our taxes and utilities were getting high, and we did not need all that space. I honestly did not think any of the kids would come back, but they did.
We downsized, but after a few years I just didn't like where we were living, so we then mid-sized. It worked out well because we had 4 additional adults living here for 2+ years of Covid.
Now we have an empty nest again, and it is just about perfect for us. Except: - Entertaining anyone in addition to our immediate family is a very tight squeeze. - Stairs are getting hard on my husband. Our next house will definitely be a ranch.
I think we have one more move left in us, and we will choose a ranch as close to our kids as possible.
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Post by peasapie on Jan 8, 2023 18:42:04 GMT
The reason we moved is because we wanted everything on one floor before we got older and would have trouble going up and down stairs. I think that is the reason some people move from a Colonial style home to a ranch, rather than needing to decrease the size of the home. Also, the idea of moving to a place where taxes are less when kids are no longer in school is appealing. We moved into a 55+ and like having a pool, clubhouse and very little maintenance. I'm not really clear on what your reason would be for downsizing. I agree wordfish has given a very complete picture to help anyone making this decision.
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Post by teddyw on Jan 8, 2023 19:17:12 GMT
We downsized when our youngest was a senior in HS from the suburbs to the city. We had always lived in the suburbs with an HOA.
The house was 100 years old and had 2 total closets that were tiny. I had purged for months prior to moving but we still had a lot of stuff. Also the rooms were tiny so all of our furniture was too big.
I could touch the house on one side from the dining room window. Driveway was on the other side so more space. Garage was detached which was an adjustment. None of our neighbors ever used their driveway or garages for their cars so our street was full of cars. We were walking distance to the park,library, restaurants and shops. I took full advantage of that. My dh not so much. All my friends were still in the suburbs so I was always out there.
City services were not at the level of the suburbs. Never plowed our street. No leaf pick up. Trash & recycling removal was unreliable at times and very limited. My street was an anomaly. I could walk anywhere else in the neighborhood and people were just so friendly & nice. All ages.
Property taxes were less but income tax was more.
There was no room for entertaining though. My kids wanted our house to be the place for holidays & parties. They live in apartments. But it wasn’t practical.
Lots of mature trees. I fenced in my back yard and made my own little haven. Which was a plus.
We sold that house this spring and are building a ranch that is the triple the size with big open areas and walk in closets. It’s also back in the suburbs. We don’t mind paying for school levies.
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Post by alsomsknit on Jan 8, 2023 19:20:49 GMT
We never upsized. I had been asking to do things to this house for years. It’s early 50s Ranch with the most idiotic layout. The layout actually makes the house smaller. It is impossible to arrange rooms in any but one layout. It will be 29 years next month of living here and I just want out. I’m utterly miserable in this loathsome house.
Took 20 years to figure out DH wasn’t going to do anything beyond that which was necessary and paint, lest he offend the relatives the house was purchased from. Only one member is left.
The only way I am getting out of here is if DH dies first.
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Post by ntsf on Jan 8, 2023 19:32:46 GMT
we aren't moving as the taxes would increase if we went to any other house.. but we spent 40 yrs in a 1600 sq ft house. we lived small with three kids and one of them still lives with us (disabled)..
we are about to do a whole house renovation to update everything and to add a bedroom to the basement. so it will be good for another 30 yrs.
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Post by mom2rjcr on Jan 8, 2023 19:40:55 GMT
We are currently staying in our 3500 sq. ft home because it is paid for. It is a lot of house for me and DH. Currently our 20 year old DS and 22 year old DS are living with us. But we have two empty bedrooms and an unused upstairs family room. I never go upstairs. My craft room and the master bedroom are on the main floor. DH's office is upstairs in what could be the media room. We are looking to move in 2 years when I retire from teaching. Where we live the property taxes are high and we would like to sell and use that money to buy a house in another state with lower property taxes. I do not plan on taking my 2 sons with us.
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MerryMom
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Post by MerryMom on Jan 8, 2023 19:44:04 GMT
I will be retiring in about 15 months (if all goes as planned), but I think we will stay in the same house. In the past 6 years, I have been “downsizing in place” by going through a drawer, shelf, and closet at a time. I have donated, had a garage sale, did 1 flea market, and sold the rest of nicer things through an online auction. We donated an entire trailer worth of stuff to a thrift store that recently opened. Since we are working mostly from home, I donated half of my work clothes. I am no longer officiating track & field so I sold or donated (to other officials) all those uniforms, equipment, starting device, blanks.
I will go through stuff again, doing the same thing (drawer, shelf, tote, closet at a time again.
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Post by supersoda on Jan 8, 2023 19:46:21 GMT
We put our house on the market the week our twins graduated high school in 2019 and really thought we'd downsize space-wise while upgrading my commute (and therefore increasing housing prices) and finish-out amenities.
It turned out that we upgraded all of it, and boy were we glad once Covid hit and all of our kids were suddenly back home. It would have been tough in some of the smaller houses we looked at.
They're all out of the house again--at least for now (who knows what will happen once the twins graduate college in the spring), and we have plenty space for everyone when they're home, plus DH and I each have our own offices. And after giving it more thought, I want to make sure that we have space for the kids to come home to once they start pairing off and having families.
We'll be in the house as long as we live in this area. I think the kids will end up on the east coast, and if that's the case we'll eventually follow them, because, well, I'm tired of all the BS in Texas.
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