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Post by onelasttime on Feb 2, 2023 16:09:30 GMT
Hunter Biden is going on the offensive. Good for him. Let’s be clear about one thing here. The only reason there is this level of interest in the laptop is because some feel they can use it as a weapon against President Biden. Having said that I don’t have any problem with a good faith investigation if it is felt that in some way Hunter Biden broke the law. But to quote dumpster don a lot of this circus around the laptop is nothing but a witch hunt. Meanwhile the media and Republicans are ignoring the dealings of the trump family while dumpster don was president. Especially the fact that Jared ended up walking away from DC with a sweetheart deal of $2 billion from the Saudis. Why am I bringing up the trump crime family? Because a lot of the stuff people are getting all up in arms about with Hunter Biden, the trump family could be accused of doing the same thing. That being using the fact the President of trump organization also happened to be the President of the United States which benefited the dealings of the trump businesses. Especially in foreign countries. Why does this still matter today? Because dumpster don is running for president. From CNN. link“ Hunter Biden calls for criminal probe in aggressive new legal strategy”“Attorneys for Hunter Biden on Wednesday asked state and federal agencies to investigate a computer repair shop owner, Rudy Giuliani and number of right-wing political figures involved in disseminating contents of his laptop, alleging that they committed computer and other criminal violations in their effort to “weaponize” the laptop contents against his father. The allegations – made in letters to the Delaware attorney general, the Justice Department’s National Security Division and the IRS – mark the first time President Joe Biden’s son and his legal team have publicly acknowledged that it was his personal data purported to be found on a laptop left at the Delaware repair shop. However, his legal team said their new outreach does not amount to confirmation of the laptop narrative that has been circulated on the right. The letters signal a distinct change in strategy by Hunter Biden after bringing on new lawyers to help defend him against an onslaught of attacks from Republicans, who have sought to use his personal struggles with drugs and congressional probes of his business dealings to attack the president. Hunter Biden also faces an ongoing federal criminal investigation that is focused on tax and other issues. In addition to the letters to the government agencies, Biden’s lawyers sent a cease-and-desist letter to Fox News and the network’s host Tucker Carlson on Wednesday, calling for the retraction of a story broadcast on Carlson’s show that Biden’s team says is false. CNN has reached out to Fox News for comment. In the letter to Delaware Attorney General Kathy Jennings, Hunter Biden’s attorneys accuse computer repair shop owner John Paul Mac Isaac of unauthorized access of the laptop and distributing its contents to the New York Post for a story published in the weeks before the 2020 election. Mac Isaac has said in a memoir and media interviews that he received the laptop at his store from Hunter Biden in 2019. “This failed dirty political trick directly resulted in the exposure, exploitation, and manipulation of Mr. Biden’s private and personal information. Mr. Mac Isaac’s intentional, reckless, and unlawful conduct allowed for hundreds of gigabytes of Mr. Biden’s personal data, without any discretion, to be circulated around the Internet,” Hunter Biden’s attorney Abbe Lowell wrote in the letter. The letter asks for investigations into Garrett Ziegler, John Paul Mac Isaac, Robert Costello, Rudy Giuliani and Stephen Bannon. Mac Isaac’s attorney Brian R. Della Rocca confirmed receipt of the letter and said, after skimming it, all he saw was “a privileged person hiring yet another high-priced attorney to redirect attention away from his own unlawful actions.” Costello called it a “legally frivolous document” and accused Biden’s new legal team of trying to intimidate people. A Giuliani communications adviser, Ted Goodman, called the letters an “obvious attempt to silence.” CNN has reached out to each of the other individuals or their lawyers for comment. The Justice Department declined to comment and CNN has also reached out to the IRS and the Delaware attorney general’s office. In the years since the laptop’s existence first became public, Hunter Biden has sought to cast doubt about provenance of his personal information purported to come from the laptop. It appears to contain a massive trove of information detailing, among other things, business documents, emails and photos, including some potentially salacious materials. “There could be a laptop out there that was stolen from me,” Hunter Biden said in a 2021 CBS interview while promoting his memoir. “It could be that I was hacked. It could be that it was the – that it was Russian intelligence. It could be that it was stolen from me.” On Wednesday, Lowell, the Biden attorney, said that the new letters from Biden’s team “do not confirm Mac Isaac’s or others’ versions of a so-called laptop.” “They address their conduct of seeking, manipulating and disseminating what they allege to be Mr. Biden’s personal data, wherever they claim to have gotten it,” Lowell said in a statement to CNN. Mac Isaac has said he acquired the laptop in April 2019 when Hunter Biden dropped the laptop off in his shop for repairs. Biden signed a contract with Mac Isaac, which included a policy stating that if the laptop was not picked up within 90 days, it would become Mac Isaac’s property, according to the repair shop owner’s book. Mac Isaac writes that Biden never came back for the laptop. But by his own account, Mac Isaac said he went through files on Hunter Biden’s laptop the day after it was dropped off. In his book, Mac Isaac said the day after Hunter Biden dropped off the laptop, he noticed a file titled “income.pdf” in the hard drive, which apparently tracked Biden’s finances.
FBI agents served a subpoena and seized the laptop on December 9, 2019, according to Mac Isaac. According to Robert Costello, Giuliani’s attorney, a copy of the hard drive was sent to one of Giuliani’s company addresses in late August or early September 2020. Giuliani eventually sent a copy of the hard drive to the New York Post. Giuliani told The Wall Street Journal in October 2020 that he had “every right to use” the hard drive.
A research group run by Garrett Ziegler, a former aide to Trump White House adviser Peter Navarro, posted emails and documents allegedly from Hunter’s laptop on a publicly accessible website. According to Politico, Ziegler said he received the copy of the laptop through Giuliani and Bernard Kerik, the former New York City police commissioner and associate of Giuliani. On the website where Ziegler’s group, Marco Polo, posted the alleged contents of the laptop, a disclaimer reads: “Marco Polo testifies that the contents of the Biden Laptop were abandoned property.” In the CBS interview in April 2021, Hunter Biden said he had “no idea whether or not” the laptop belonged to him but said it was possible. When asked if he ever dropped his laptop to be repaired in Delaware, Hunter Biden said he had not. “Not that I remember at all,” he added.“ |
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Post by sunshine on Feb 2, 2023 16:39:05 GMT
Wait, this can't be...it wasn't Hunter's laptop! Remember, CNN, MSNBC, NYT, WaPo told us so?
"Attorneys for Hunter Biden on Wednesday asked state and federal agencies to investigate a computer repair shop owner, Rudy Giuliani and number of right-wing political figures involved in disseminating contents of his laptop, alleging that they committed computer and other criminal violations in their effort to “weaponize” the laptop contents against his father."
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 2, 2023 16:41:08 GMT
Soooooo?!??
You object to an investigation? Interesting!
I never said it shouldn't be investigated! Nor anyone else here!!
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Post by LiLi on Feb 2, 2023 17:29:28 GMT
Soooooo?!?? You object to an investigation? Interesting! I never said it shouldn't be investigated! Nor anyone else here!! It's interesting how instead of actually listening to what "we" say, "they" believe stuff they are told "we" say on certain news channels. Even though, it's completely false. |
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Post by lucyg on Feb 3, 2023 1:27:32 GMT
Good for him. I have complete faith there is nothing on that laptop (placed there by Hunter, at any rate) that will incriminate Joe Biden. And that’s all these lowlifes are interested in, isn’t it?
And considering that this whole narrative has been pushed by the very same people who played Joe’s heartfelt phone message to Hunter, begging him to seek help for his problems, over and over again on their crappy cable channel, laughing all the way because they thought it was soooo hilarious, and soooo embarrassing, for Joe Biden … yeah, I’m not really interested in their opinions on any subject, let alone Joe Biden and his family.
Oh yeah, the same people who pushed the narrative that Paul Pelosi was having an illicit gay affair. For days and weeks on end.
Good lord, they are the definition of deplorable.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 3, 2023 3:07:00 GMT
On another note OAN has back tracked on their reporting the attack on Paul Pelosi after seeing the videos and police reports!! In a statement provided to CNN fact checker Daniel Dale, OAN wrote that "it's clear that an unwanted intruder with evil intent broke into the Pelosi home." The network further praised Pelosi for his calmness under pressure in which he walked a fine line between "asking for immediate help without further aggravating a mentally disturbed intruder." www.rawstory.com/paul-pelosi-oan/ |
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Post by sunshine on Feb 3, 2023 16:15:19 GMT
Soooooo?!?? You object to an investigation? Interesting! I never said it shouldn't be investigated! Nor anyone else here!! WTF are you talking about? Where did I say I objected to an investigation? What's "Interesting!"? Please...point out in my two sentence post where I stated I objected to an investigation.
The left wingers have been pushing that this was Russian disinformation bullshit for years. It isn't. They lied. Again. And Adam Schiff should be shoved out the door with Santos.
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 3, 2023 16:44:13 GMT
Soooooo?!?? You object to an investigation? Interesting! I never said it shouldn't be investigated! Nor anyone else here!! WTF are you talking about? Where did I say I objected to an investigation? What's "Interesting!"? Please...point out in my two sentence post where I stated I objected to an investigation.
The left wingers have been pushing that this was Russian disinformation bullshit for years. It isn't. They lied. Again. And Adam Schiff should be shoved out the door with Santos.
Boy is she confused. That seems to happen a lot with right leaning folks. I guess it’s because of all the lies they tell in their effort to rewrite history. I mean there was Mike Pompeo giving an interview where he kept claiming the events of January 6, 2021 was nothing but a peaceful transfer of power. People died that day so I can’t see how it was a peaceful anything. |
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 3, 2023 17:07:43 GMT
He has a point…
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 3, 2023 22:39:54 GMT
Good luck proving a chain of custody on that laptop.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 4, 2023 0:11:15 GMT
Truthful? Hope so!
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 4, 2023 0:16:47 GMT
Good luck proving a chain of custody on that laptop. Why is that clip started with the beginning of the sentence chopped off? Where's the entire video showing the context leading up to those words? Why is it clipped at the end in the middle of a sentence? Why are you, the Queen of Context, not applying your own standard of "context is so important"? There's important context clipped from this video, why are you suddenly okay with that? I don't think he's saying what that tweet is claiming he is saying. CBS had Computer Forensics Services check out the hard drive. Their analysis of Hunter's laptop data showed no tampering. Politico, Washington Post, New York Times, and other mainstream media has verified and reported there was no tampering. |
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Post by chances on Feb 4, 2023 5:32:06 GMT
And that’s all these lowlifes are interested in, isn’t it? And considering that this whole narrative has been pushed by the very same people who played Joe’s heartfelt phone message to Hunter, begging him to seek help for his problems, over and over again on their crappy cable channel, laughing all the way because they thought it was soooo hilarious, and soooo embarrassing, for Joe Biden I missed that. How horrifying. Who thinks a father pleading with his child to get help is funny or embarrassing? I really don’t get the thinking. Even the most self righteous “family values” people know that addiction isn’t partisan. Where is the fucking empathy? Ugh. I’m glad I didn’t see the coverage. My view of humanity can only go down so far. |
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 4, 2023 6:06:47 GMT
Good luck proving a chain of custody on that laptop. Why is that clip started with the beginning of the sentence chopped off? Where's the entire video showing the context leading up to those words? Why is it clipped at the end in the middle of a sentence? Why are you, the Queen of Context, not applying your own standard of "context is so important"? There's important context clipped from this video, why are you suddenly okay with that? I don't think he's saying what that tweet is claiming he is saying. CBS had Computer Forensics Services check out the hard drive.
Their analysis of Hunter's laptop data showed no tampering.
Politico, Washington Post, New York Times, and other mainstream media has verified and reported there was no tampering.I think you're mischaracterizing or over-simplifying what media organizations found on the laptop. There were alterations. www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/hunter-biden-laptop-data-examined/The vast majority of the data — and most of the nearly 129,000 emails it contained — could not be verified by either of the two security experts who reviewed the data for The Post. Neither found clear evidence of tampering in their examinations, but some of the records that might have helped verify contents were not available for analysis, they said.
In their examinations, Green and Williams found evidence that people other than Hunter Biden had accessed the drive and written files to it, both before and after the initial stories in the New York Post and long after the laptop itself had been turned over to the FBI.
Neither expert reported finding evidence that individual emails or other files had been manipulated by hackers, but neither was able to rule out that possibility.
Many questions about the drive remained impossible to answer definitively.
Some of the emails have been authenticated. Regardless of what media organizations found, the laptop will never be admissible in court. And what exactly is on the laptop that has Fox and other right wing media so wound up about? All of those media organizations looked at the laptop, there was nothing there. And just a reminder, Hunter is currently under investigation. If he did something wrong, then charge him. While we're investigating the children of presidents, how about equal treatment for the Trump children? The $2 billion Saudi investment in Jared Kushner's private equity fund? So far, there's a lot of nothing. I know the right wing echo chamber gets spun up about information about the laptop being suppressed. The laptop first surfaced in October 2020, when Trump was still in office. Mainstream media long ago admitted it was not Russian disinformation. No reputable organization is still claiming that. Instead of endless investigations, maybe the Republicans should focus on issues they campaigned on like inflation, crime and immigration. But, they don't want to actually govern or work to fix those issues. It's much easier to complain about them and use them to campaign on. This is an opinion but it's a pretty good summary of Hunter Biden's laptop. asharangappa.substack.com/p/framing-hunter-bidenClaim 1a:
The first claim is that Joe Biden’s efforts (while he was Vice President) to pressure the Ukraine government to fire the prosecutor who was investigating Burisma, a Ukrainian company, was influenced by Hunter Biden, who was on Burisma’s board from 2014-2019. (There is also a subtext claim that Hunter was himself under investigation and seeking to save his job.)
Claim 1b:
The second claim is that Joe Biden financially profited from Hunter Biden’s deals in China.
If Claim 1a sounds familiar, it’s because it’s an extension of the claim that was underlying Trump’s “perfect phone call” with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelinsky in 2019, and which ultimately led to Trump’s first impeachment. And if Claim 1b doesn’t sound super familiar, it’s largely because it was eclipsed by the circumstances surrounding Scandal 2:
Claim 2
The FBI pressured and/or ordered Twitter and other social media platforms to suppress the Hunter Biden Laptop story published by the New York Post in October 2020.
Zooming back, the best way to understand the Hunter Biden Laptop saga is this: Scandal 2 is essentially a temper tantrum over the fact that the attempt to create a narrative around Scandal 1 didn’t work out as planned. |
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 4, 2023 19:00:13 GMT
Why is that clip started with the beginning of the sentence chopped off? Where's the entire video showing the context leading up to those words? Why is it clipped at the end in the middle of a sentence? Why are you, the Queen of Context, not applying your own standard of "context is so important"? There's important context clipped from this video, why are you suddenly okay with that? I don't think he's saying what that tweet is claiming he is saying. CBS had Computer Forensics Services check out the hard drive.
Their analysis of Hunter's laptop data showed no tampering.
Politico, Washington Post, New York Times, and other mainstream media has verified and reported there was no tampering.I think you're mischaracterizing or over-simplifying what media organizations found on the laptop. There were alterations. www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/hunter-biden-laptop-data-examined/The vast majority of the data — and most of the nearly 129,000 emails it contained — could not be verified by either of the two security experts who reviewed the data for The Post. Neither found clear evidence of tampering in their examinations, but some of the records that might have helped verify contents were not available for analysis, they said.
In their examinations, Green and Williams found evidence that people other than Hunter Biden had accessed the drive and written files to it, both before and after the initial stories in the New York Post and long after the laptop itself had been turned over to the FBI.
Neither expert reported finding evidence that individual emails or other files had been manipulated by hackers, but neither was able to rule out that possibility.
Many questions about the drive remained impossible to answer definitively.
Some of the emails have been authenticated. Regardless of what media organizations found, the laptop will never be admissible in court. And what exactly is on the laptop that has Fox and other right wing media so wound up about? All of those media organizations looked at the laptop, there was nothing there. And just a reminder, Hunter is currently under investigation. If he did something wrong, then charge him. While we're investigating the children of presidents, how about equal treatment for the Trump children? The $2 billion Saudi investment in Jared Kushner's private equity fund? So far, there's a lot of nothing. I know the right wing echo chamber gets spun up about information about the laptop being suppressed. The laptop first surfaced in October 2020, when Trump was still in office. Mainstream media long ago admitted it was not Russian disinformation. No reputable organization is still claiming that. Instead of endless investigations, maybe the Republicans should focus on issues they campaigned on like inflation, crime and immigration. But, they don't want to actually govern or work to fix those issues. It's much easier to complain about them and use them to campaign on. This is an opinion but it's a pretty good summary of Hunter Biden's laptop. asharangappa.substack.com/p/framing-hunter-bidenClaim 1a:
The first claim is that Joe Biden’s efforts (while he was Vice President) to pressure the Ukraine government to fire the prosecutor who was investigating Burisma, a Ukrainian company, was influenced by Hunter Biden, who was on Burisma’s board from 2014-2019. (There is also a subtext claim that Hunter was himself under investigation and seeking to save his job.)
Claim 1b:
The second claim is that Joe Biden financially profited from Hunter Biden’s deals in China.
If Claim 1a sounds familiar, it’s because it’s an extension of the claim that was underlying Trump’s “perfect phone call” with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelinsky in 2019, and which ultimately led to Trump’s first impeachment. And if Claim 1b doesn’t sound super familiar, it’s largely because it was eclipsed by the circumstances surrounding Scandal 2:
Claim 2
The FBI pressured and/or ordered Twitter and other social media platforms to suppress the Hunter Biden Laptop story published by the New York Post in October 2020.
Zooming back, the best way to understand the Hunter Biden Laptop saga is this: Scandal 2 is essentially a temper tantrum over the fact that the attempt to create a narrative around Scandal 1 didn’t work out as planned.And yet none of that answers the questions I asked about the chopped up video clip being pushed as evidence that the computer repair guy is making a point that it isn't clear HE was the one making. Why is that clip started with the beginning of the sentence chopped off? Where's the entire video showing the context leading up to those words? Why is it clipped at the end in the middle of a sentence? You are also known to apply a standard of "context is so important". There's important context clipped from this video, why are you suddenly okay with that? The video consists solely of 2 incomplete sentences with what appears to be an edit skip at the end. If a conservative used that video, you would never let that video stand. Why are you okay with it now? Why don't you share the entire video instead of an edited version? |
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 4, 2023 21:57:57 GMT
I think you're mischaracterizing or over-simplifying what media organizations found on the laptop. There were alterations. www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/hunter-biden-laptop-data-examined/The vast majority of the data — and most of the nearly 129,000 emails it contained — could not be verified by either of the two security experts who reviewed the data for The Post. Neither found clear evidence of tampering in their examinations, but some of the records that might have helped verify contents were not available for analysis, they said.
In their examinations, Green and Williams found evidence that people other than Hunter Biden had accessed the drive and written files to it, both before and after the initial stories in the New York Post and long after the laptop itself had been turned over to the FBI.
Neither expert reported finding evidence that individual emails or other files had been manipulated by hackers, but neither was able to rule out that possibility.
Many questions about the drive remained impossible to answer definitively.
Some of the emails have been authenticated. Regardless of what media organizations found, the laptop will never be admissible in court. And what exactly is on the laptop that has Fox and other right wing media so wound up about? All of those media organizations looked at the laptop, there was nothing there. And just a reminder, Hunter is currently under investigation. If he did something wrong, then charge him. While we're investigating the children of presidents, how about equal treatment for the Trump children? The $2 billion Saudi investment in Jared Kushner's private equity fund? So far, there's a lot of nothing. I know the right wing echo chamber gets spun up about information about the laptop being suppressed. The laptop first surfaced in October 2020, when Trump was still in office. Mainstream media long ago admitted it was not Russian disinformation. No reputable organization is still claiming that. Instead of endless investigations, maybe the Republicans should focus on issues they campaigned on like inflation, crime and immigration. But, they don't want to actually govern or work to fix those issues. It's much easier to complain about them and use them to campaign on. This is an opinion but it's a pretty good summary of Hunter Biden's laptop. asharangappa.substack.com/p/framing-hunter-bidenClaim 1a:
The first claim is that Joe Biden’s efforts (while he was Vice President) to pressure the Ukraine government to fire the prosecutor who was investigating Burisma, a Ukrainian company, was influenced by Hunter Biden, who was on Burisma’s board from 2014-2019. (There is also a subtext claim that Hunter was himself under investigation and seeking to save his job.)
Claim 1b:
The second claim is that Joe Biden financially profited from Hunter Biden’s deals in China.
If Claim 1a sounds familiar, it’s because it’s an extension of the claim that was underlying Trump’s “perfect phone call” with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelinsky in 2019, and which ultimately led to Trump’s first impeachment. And if Claim 1b doesn’t sound super familiar, it’s largely because it was eclipsed by the circumstances surrounding Scandal 2:
Claim 2
The FBI pressured and/or ordered Twitter and other social media platforms to suppress the Hunter Biden Laptop story published by the New York Post in October 2020.
Zooming back, the best way to understand the Hunter Biden Laptop saga is this: Scandal 2 is essentially a temper tantrum over the fact that the attempt to create a narrative around Scandal 1 didn’t work out as planned.And yet none of that answers the questions I asked about the chopped up video clip being pushed as evidence that the computer repair guy is making a point that it isn't clear HE was the one making. Why is that clip started with the beginning of the sentence chopped off? Where's the entire video showing the context leading up to those words? Why is it clipped at the end in the middle of a sentence? You are also known to apply a standard of "context is so important". There's important context clipped from this video, why are you suddenly okay with that? The video consists solely of 2 incomplete sentences with what appears to be an edit skip at the end. If a conservative used that video, you would never let that video stand. Why are you okay with it now? Why don't you share the entire video instead of an edited version? I didn't post the video or watch it so I didn't respond to your questions about the video. I responded to your mischaracterization, misinformation and over simplification of the analysis of the laptop. |
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 4, 2023 22:37:58 GMT
And yet none of that answers the questions I asked about the chopped up video clip being pushed as evidence that the computer repair guy is making a point that it isn't clear HE was the one making. Why is that clip started with the beginning of the sentence chopped off? Where's the entire video showing the context leading up to those words? Why is it clipped at the end in the middle of a sentence? You are also known to apply a standard of "context is so important". There's important context clipped from this video, why are you suddenly okay with that? The video consists solely of 2 incomplete sentences with what appears to be an edit skip at the end. If a conservative used that video, you would never let that video stand. Why are you okay with it now? Why don't you share the entire video instead of an edited version? I didn't post the video or watch it so I didn't respond to your questions about the video. I responded to your mischaracterization, misinformation and over simplification of the analysis of the laptop. With no objection or response to the mischaracterization, misinformation and over simplification of what the computer guy said in a very edited video missing major context. Something you normally would be all over if it came from the Right. Watch it now and tell me you suddenly don't object to the missing context you have always objected to in the past and answer the questions. |
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Post by Merge on Feb 4, 2023 23:51:10 GMT
I didn't post the video or watch it so I didn't respond to your questions about the video. I responded to your mischaracterization, misinformation and over simplification of the analysis of the laptop. With no objection or response to the mischaracterization, misinformation and over simplification of what the computer guy said in a very edited video missing major context. Something you normally would be all over if it came from the Right. Watch it now and tell me you suddenly don't object to the missing context you have always objected to in the past and answer the questions. I’m so proud of you coming to the realization that context does matter. I’m surprised you weren’t able to find the unedited video clip on your own, though. Are the right-wing sites not posting it? I wonder why. |
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 5, 2023 1:02:16 GMT
The Washington Post analysis independently concluded that files were added. There are so many copies of the hard drive circulating, it's difficult to determine what is original at this point. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/12/now-warning-about-hunter-biden-laptop-disinfo-guy-who-leaked-it/We have evidence that the portable hard drive had something added to it both before and after the New York Post’s original story — and here’s Mac Isaac agreeing that some of what he’s seen presented as coming from the laptop was never on there. This is why provenance matters in journalistic investigations. Just because Rudy Giuliani says that material came from a hard drive is not reason to assume it did — particularly when he’s on-record as disparaging the idea that the material should be vetted before being reported on. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 5, 2023 1:27:22 GMT
So there!!!
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 5, 2023 1:29:26 GMT
The Washington Post analysis independently concluded that files were added. There are so many copies of the hard drive circulating, it's difficult to determine what is original at this point. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/12/now-warning-about-hunter-biden-laptop-disinfo-guy-who-leaked-it/We have evidence that the portable hard drive had something added to it both before and after the New York Post’s original story — and here’s Mac Isaac agreeing that some of what he’s seen presented as coming from the laptop was never on there. This is why provenance matters in journalistic investigations. Just because Rudy Giuliani says that material came from a hard drive is not reason to assume it did — particularly when he’s on-record as disparaging the idea that the material should be vetted before being reported on.I can't read your Washington Post links without buying a subscription. Is the full video on there with the complete sentences? I'm not going by anything Giuliani says. The FBI and the computer repair guy have clean versions of the data. |
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 5, 2023 2:03:12 GMT
“chain of custody”
Definition(s):
A process that tracks the movement of evidence through its collection, safeguarding, and analysis lifecycle by documenting each person who handled the evidence, the date/time it was collected or transferred, and the purpose for the transfer.”
The problem with that laptop is that law enforcement has to be able to document that Hunter Biden personally entered all the data on that laptop in order to use the information on that laptop in court. That the laptop was in his care custody and control when all the data was entered.
They can use the information on that laptop in conjunction with other potential evidence of any wrongdoing. But even that brings up its own set of problems.
So all this other noise about the laptop is just that, noise.
The potential problem of not being able to prove the chain of custody could be one of the reason Biden’s lawyers are going on the offensive.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 5, 2023 2:26:39 GMT
I didn't post the video or watch it, I'm not going to respond to that. The repair guy went on Fox, I'm sure you could find a full unedited clip with a simple search. Here's the WP article without a paywall. The Washington Post article independently concluded that files had been added to the laptop. The point was that just because Rudy Guiliani said the material came from a hard drive, that's not enough evidence to prove anything. wapo.st/3jqVZYl |
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 5, 2023 2:58:55 GMT
“ chain of custody”
Definition(s):
A process that tracks the movement of evidence through its collection, safeguarding, and analysis lifecycle by documenting each person who handled the evidence, the date/time it was collected or transferred, and the purpose for the transfer.”The problem with that laptop is that law enforcement has to be able to document that Hunter Biden personally entered all the data on that laptop in order to use the information on that laptop in court. That the laptop was in his care custody and control when all the data was entered. They can use the information on that laptop in conjunction with other potential evidence of any wrongdoing. But even that brings up its own set of problems. So all this other noise about the laptop is just that, noise. The potential problem of not being able to prove the chain of custody could be one of the reason Biden’s lawyers are going on the offensive. I know what chain of custody is, I don't need a definition. And yet none of that answers the questions I asked about the chopped up video clip you're pushing as evidence that the computer repair guy is making a point that it isn't clear HE was the one making. Why is that clip started with the beginning of the sentence chopped off? Where's the entire video showing the context leading up to those words? Why is it clipped at the end in the middle of a sentence? You are known to apply a standard of "context is so important". There's important context clipped from this video, why are you suddenly okay with that? The video consists solely of 2 incomplete sentences with what appears to be an edit skip at the end. If a conservative used that video, you would never let that video stand. Why are you okay with using it now? Why don't you share the entire video instead of an edited version? |
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 5, 2023 3:49:55 GMT
“ chain of custody”
Definition(s):
A process that tracks the movement of evidence through its collection, safeguarding, and analysis lifecycle by documenting each person who handled the evidence, the date/time it was collected or transferred, and the purpose for the transfer.”The problem with that laptop is that law enforcement has to be able to document that Hunter Biden personally entered all the data on that laptop in order to use the information on that laptop in court. That the laptop was in his care custody and control when all the data was entered. They can use the information on that laptop in conjunction with other potential evidence of any wrongdoing. But even that brings up its own set of problems. So all this other noise about the laptop is just that, noise. The potential problem of not being able to prove the chain of custody could be one of the reason Biden’s lawyers are going on the offensive. I know what chain of custody is, I don't need a definition. And yet none of that answers the questions I asked about the chopped up video clip you're pushing as evidence that the computer repair guy is making a point that it isn't clear HE was the one making. Why is that clip started with the beginning of the sentence chopped off? Where's the entire video showing the context leading up to those words? Why is it clipped at the end in the middle of a sentence? You are known to apply a standard of "context is so important". There's important context clipped from this video, why are you suddenly okay with that? The video consists solely of 2 incomplete sentences with what appears to be an edit skip at the end. If a conservative used that video, you would never let that video stand. Why are you okay with using it now? Why don't you share the entire video instead of an edited version? It doesn’t matter what’s on that video. Once again you are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. Whatever he has to say now is just noise. It means nothing. At this point he is just trying to hang on to his 15 minutes of fame. All the uproar was about that laptop and what’s on it and always has been. He became incidental once the FBI collected the laptop. But yet he just keeps flapping his gums. That is why I made the comment that I did because absolutely nothing he says can prove the chain of custody of that laptop. Sarcasm on my part. But now that I pondered it a bit, a better comment would have been “ah shut up”. |
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 5, 2023 16:43:20 GMT
Get out the 🍿
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 5, 2023 20:35:34 GMT
I know what chain of custody is, I don't need a definition. And yet none of that answers the questions I asked about the chopped up video clip you're pushing as evidence that the computer repair guy is making a point that it isn't clear HE was the one making. Why is that clip started with the beginning of the sentence chopped off? Where's the entire video showing the context leading up to those words? Why is it clipped at the end in the middle of a sentence? You are known to apply a standard of "context is so important". There's important context clipped from this video, why are you suddenly okay with that? The video consists solely of 2 incomplete sentences with what appears to be an edit skip at the end. If a conservative used that video, you would never let that video stand. Why are you okay with using it now? Why don't you share the entire video instead of an edited version? It doesn’t matter what’s on that video. Once again you are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. Whatever he has to say now is just noise. It means nothing. At this point he is just trying to hang on to his 15 minutes of fame. All the uproar was about that laptop and what’s on it and always has been. He became incidental once the FBI collected the laptop. But yet he just keeps flapping his gums. That is why I made the comment that I did because absolutely nothing he says can prove the chain of custody of that laptop. Sarcasm on my part. But now that I pondered it a bit, a better comment would have been “ah shut up”. A mountain out of a molehill?  No. Once again? No. Not something we've had an issue with. That's nothing but you trying to deflect from having it pointed out that you're using a video with no context to try to prove your point. An extremely edited video. Something that you insist is useless and wrong to do. At least when anyone on the Right does anything close. |
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 5, 2023 21:08:22 GMT
It doesn’t matter what’s on that video. Once again you are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. Whatever he has to say now is just noise. It means nothing. At this point he is just trying to hang on to his 15 minutes of fame. All the uproar was about that laptop and what’s on it and always has been. He became incidental once the FBI collected the laptop. But yet he just keeps flapping his gums. That is why I made the comment that I did because absolutely nothing he says can prove the chain of custody of that laptop. Sarcasm on my part. But now that I pondered it a bit, a better comment would have been “ah shut up”. A mountain out of a molehill? No. Once again? No. Not something we've had an issue with. That's nothing but you trying to deflect from having it pointed out that you're using a video with no context to try to prove your point. An extremely edited video. Something that you insist is useless and wrong to do. At least when anyone on the Right does anything close. Specifically what point was I trying to prove? I really would like to know what point you thought I was trying to make with what I guess is an edited video that I didn’t listen to. |
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 6, 2023 0:38:28 GMT
A mountain out of a molehill? No. Once again? No. Not something we've had an issue with. That's nothing but you trying to deflect from having it pointed out that you're using a video with no context to try to prove your point. An extremely edited video. Something that you insist is useless and wrong to do. At least when anyone on the Right does anything close. Specifically what point was I trying to prove? I really would like to know what point you thought I was trying to make with what I guess is an edited video that I didn’t listen to. So you posted a tweet that TOLD you what the repairman said and you didn't even bother to see if he was really saying what you were TOLD he was saying. Now I see why everyone hates how all you do is post other people's opinions. |
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 6, 2023 1:05:58 GMT
Specifically what point was I trying to prove? I really would like to know what point you thought I was trying to make with what I guess is an edited video that I didn’t listen to. So you posted a tweet that TOLD you what the repairman said and you didn't even bother to see if he was really saying what you were TOLD he was saying. Now I see why everyone hates how all you do is post other people's opinions. Well if there is one thing I’m not shy about it’s sharing my opinion. Do you know how many people I’ve annoyed on this board with my thoughts about voters. More then a few I think. Sometimes I use a tweet or an article that shares my opinion and acknowledge it by posting “I’m always happy to find someone who says better what I’m thinking”. And sometime I just tweet information I want to share and if folks are interested they can read the article and if not they can scroll on by. And for some reason that bothers people. Oh well one can’t please everyone. By the way you make absolutely no sense in your first sentence. See I just voiced my opinion. And I did it without a tweet. 😀 |
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