Sarah*H
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Post by Sarah*H on Feb 11, 2023 4:51:32 GMT
Thanks everyone. We've got a game plan and will report to the police and university.
Final update: I won't be updating this again but wanted to thank everyone again for the kind thoughts and good advice. The university has been very responsive and helpful and he will be released from his current lease. He's in a safe place and my husband plans to go help him move, hopefully next weekend.
I made a lot of assumptions when this situation started and it turns out that the state he's in has a lot of legal protections for these types of situations. Our state doesn't have anything like that. And I assumed that getting resolution/assistance would be long, drawn out and uncertain. In fact, the university has a whole system set up to deal with things like this and it moved very quickly.
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Post by busy on Feb 11, 2023 5:01:13 GMT
I’m so sorry. What a mess.
This is super privileged answer, I completely recognize that, but given this seems like a situation that could escalate and become potentially life-threatening, I’d move my kid out, find him a single apartment and just pay the lease through July. There’s some legal risk/liability there but preserving my child’s physical safety would trump that.
Good luck whatever you do ❤️
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Post by worrywart on Feb 11, 2023 5:05:35 GMT
I'm so sorry. The best case scenario that I can think of is to possibly talk to the apartments and pay the balance of ds rent through the end of the lease. Unfortunately, that is a very costly consequence but I'm not sure what the alternative is. Is ds on board with leaving and getting a new place?
Should the university know, yes, probably. However, I agree with you that may make him angrier so personally I usually err on the side of caution.
Not hopeless - though it will probably cost you a bundle - but worth it to get out of this situation. I'm sorry that you and your ds are having to deal with something like this.
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Post by kate on Feb 11, 2023 5:06:11 GMT
This is so scary. I have a couple of kids in college right now, and I really feel for you.
I have no idea how to help; I just want you to know I'm wishing you and your DS a very positive outcome to this situation!
ETA: My instinct (which may be faulty) is that you should contact the police, if only to establish a pattern. Nobody should be tased "just for fun." Seriously.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Feb 11, 2023 5:14:51 GMT
Could your son talk to landlord? Maybe if your son detailed the break in landlord may want kid out. Was any damage done during break in? Not likely but maybe landlord wants potentially dangerous kid out of his property. Has son told kid he wants out? Would other kid agree? I don’t think talking to kid’s parents would help if you don’t know them. Son’s safety should be protected. I would move Heaven and earth to get him out of this place.
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Post by MerryMom on Feb 11, 2023 5:29:53 GMT
I know the laws vary from state to state, but can your son request a protection order and request an expedited emergency hearing? If it is granted, then your son can request to get out of the lease and the landlord would have to honor it.
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Post by mom on Feb 11, 2023 5:32:55 GMT
It's late here, and this is my first thought, but he absolutely needs to be documenting this with the university & apartment complex- at a minimal. What is the universities and the apartments policy for issues like this? Can they help him find a safe place to live? DS1 had an apartment that sounds similar to the situation your son has and he was able to move apartments within the complex. I would also call the cops next time he breaks into things. That is not ok.
*I* would not call the kids parents --- assuming the kid is an actual adult of legal age.
And you're a long time Pea, so you know this rule, but document, document, document.
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Post by snyder on Feb 11, 2023 5:32:58 GMT
A whole lot needs to take place. Conact landlord, contact both city police and campus police, obtain a restraining order, move child at least temporatily. No matter what action you take, it appears the kid will take revenge and that has to be stopped. Sorry this has happened to your son and hopefully he will come out on top of this scary situation. {{{Hugs}}}
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Post by Merge on Feb 11, 2023 5:33:43 GMT
Wow. I don’t even know. I mean, legally he’s assaulted your son. Are they in a university-affiliated apartment? If so there could be some recourse with their code of conduct.
Faking that, I think I’d probably do my best to get him out of there.
I’m so sorry you and he are dealing with this. What a nightmare.
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Post by AussieMeg on Feb 11, 2023 6:12:51 GMT
What an awful situation for your son! I can understand how you feel that the situation is hopeless. I'm glad that you got your son out of there. I would be so concerned that this guy's behaviour could escalate. I mean, he's already assaulted your son by tasering him! Who does that? I dread to think what the rest of the disturbing behaviour is, that you said you're leaving out.
I would definitely report it to the university. I honestly don't know whether I would file charges with the police. I would be so scared that he would come after my kid as payback, if he was arrested, that I don't think I would. Especially as he's saying he wants to get a gun next.
Good luck with this. I wish we could do more to help.
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Post by destined2bmom on Feb 11, 2023 6:37:36 GMT
I am so sorry that your son has gone through this with his crazy roommate. Your son needs to get away from this kid NOW! I have one in college and I worry about him and he is in the dorms.
If you can, either you or your husband should go to the University to help your son with contacting and being in the meetings with the University and apartment manager. It would help your son with your support and it would show your concern to the University.
1. Contact the University President to set up a meeting and let them know what is going on. You could be saving lives by making the University aware of this kid.
The University may give your son advice, call the police and offer your son emergency housing on campus. Have your son ask for emergency housing for safety. They usually have a few dorm rooms that have spaces available or they could have rooms that are empty. The President may have your son contact Housing for it.
Also let the University contact his parents.
2. Contact the apartment manager and show the documentation and video of what is going on. If needed, ask the University President to contact the apartment manager to back up your story.
Good luck Mama! This is so hard and frightening.
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Post by Lexica on Feb 11, 2023 6:53:42 GMT
I am upset right along with you. This is a horrible situation for your son. Regarding the multiple incidents of breaking into your son's room - for what? What does this kid want? Is it for valuables to possibly sell or just to snoop because he can? That is very disturbing. It would seem this kid has some serious mental issues.
And then the tasing and talking of getting a gun put me over the edge. This kid is unbalanced and dangerous. You need to get your son to safety no matter what the cost.
I would work with my son to contact the police, the university, and the apartment manager/owner to see about breaking the lease due to the threat on your son's life. They may refuse, but you should absolutely try to get them to let him out of the lease.
I would think having your son go to the police station and speaking to them in person, bringing a written list of all incidents that have happened so far, along with the recordings of his threats would be most helpful in learning what they can offer him as far as protection or what they would advise him to do. Can you or your husband go with him?
I would also look into contacting an attorney regarding suing this kid to get your half of the rent through the end of the lease back if the apartment does not release him from the lease. Again, not until your son is in a new safe apartment away from this kid. And this step would depend on how dangerous things are appearing. You don't want to provoke him into taking action against your son.
I would also be tempted to speak to his parents - but only after your son has been moved to safety. They should know that their son is breaking into your boy's room, tasing him, and speaking of getting a gun. That is a threat directed at your son's life.
Does this kid have any classes with your son? Does he know your son's schedule? I think the school absolutely needs to know that they have a student enrolled that is threatening your son and looking to purchase a gun. This is very serious.
Please let us know what you learn from the police, if your son agrees that speaking to them would be a wise move. Hugs. I wish I had some solid useful advice for you.
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Post by sunnyd on Feb 11, 2023 6:53:55 GMT
I would be placing an ad for the apartment and try to find someone to sublease it from you/your son so he can move.
Also address it with the landlord to see if subleasing is allowed and ask if the landlord will let him out of the lease. If it's a college town with lots of renters maybe landlord has a wait list or knows or another potential tenant he can move in.
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Post by manda on Feb 11, 2023 8:34:06 GMT
I know the laws vary from state to state, but can your son request a protection order and request an expedited emergency hearing? If it is granted, then your son can request to get out of the lease and the landlord would have to honor it. This is what I was going to suggest. I know in California he could get out of the lease with a restraining order. I assume this is the same in many other states.
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Post by christine58 on Feb 11, 2023 9:01:11 GMT
Move your son out ASAP. It probably will cost you money to buy out the rest of the lease, but I would not let my son stay there one more minute. Make sure your son has everything documented and maybe once he’s moved out then call the police. I agree with the part about a protective order and I’m pretty sure owning a taser is not legal.
If he were my son, he would not live in that apartment one more minute. If it means taking out a loan to pay for the second apartment I'd do it. He is in danger.
Another thought might be to read the lease and see what it says about early termination. This roommate is obviously dangerous.
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Post by momto4kiddos on Feb 11, 2023 12:08:03 GMT
A whole lot needs to take place. Conact landlord, contact both city police and campus police, obtain a restraining order, move child at least temporatily. No matter what action you take, it appears the kid will take revenge and that has to be stopped. Sorry this has happened to your son and hopefully he will come out on top of this scary situation. {{{Hugs}}} This definitely would be a good route to take imo. Is it legal to have a taser? I'd document everything, move him someplace safe and get a restraining order if possible. I'd hate to have to do it, but i'd get a small loan if necessary to secure other housing for your ds. His safety is too important not to. I'm sorry that this is happening to your family ((HUGS))
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Post by hop2 on Feb 11, 2023 12:23:38 GMT
What state is this in? What if any laws are being broken? Are tasers legal? Is this a quasi university apartment, or totally private?
My DD ended up living with a total bitch for a year but thankfully she wasn’t violent and didn’t break into my DD’s room. It was not campus housing but similar where my DD rented a room in a suite, she had one other fiend she was renting with but the building filled the third room themselves. The building management would have stepped in if laws were broken ( ie DDs room broken into) . But DD just shut herself in her room & rode it out.
1 DEFINITELY tell the university this troubled kid is looking to buy a gun? You don’t want to get your son out of the room but have him hunted down on campus.
2 See if you have enough to get a restraining order
3 read your sons lease or have a good legal mind read the lease.
4 if the apartment is one of those basically a dorm but not officially campus types of buildings maybe talk to the landlord inform them of the issue - the landlord might care about the breaking open the doors that they own. Maybe will give your kid a break?
But yes, get him out of there immediately
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Feb 11, 2023 12:31:28 GMT
I am so sorry about this!
I do have a few thoughts that might help.
1. Of course priority #1 is your son’s safety. Report this to the University and see if they have temporary emergency housing that he can use short term while you figure out his housing situation. We have had situations at my school where students needed emergency housing (such as after a fire), and it was a nominal nightly fee to stay there. I don’t recall the time limit though.
2. Your son should file a complaint with the police ASAP. This is critical for some of the other possible solutions. The police report needs to be as detailed as possible to document the threats to you son and his property. He can also seek a restraining order which can lead to arrest if the roommate violates it.
3. Once you have police documentation, he also needs to contact the University’s student conduct office. At my University, this could lead to expulsion, but more importantly, it would trigger a “care team assessment.” The University uses that process to determine if there is a campus threat, and I can almost guarantee you there is one here. This kid has already taken the step to acquire a weapon, and who knows whether he will escalate to something more deadly. Our CARE team (I’m not sure what the letters stand for) does a very good job of getting mental health care for students who have been referred, and they will work with authorities to get a psych hold if necessary.
4. With all your documentation, go to the landlord to ask about options. Times are tough on campuses all over the US as college enrollment dropped due to COVID, and there are going to be a lot of empty apartments. On one hand, this landlord doesn’t want to be out the money for your son’s half of the lease. On the other hand, they don’t want a bad reputation as a landlord as the rental market softens. Maybe they have an empty unit they can make you a deal on for the rest of the term. They might be willing to drop your son from his joint lease if he is willing to sign a new one, including for next year. The old “keeping a customer is cheaper than seeking a new one” might be a bargaining strategy for you.
5. If your son moves and is still on the hook for rent, you can sue in small claims, although most college kids are judgement-proof. Did his parents co-sign? They can be on the hook as well. If the police investigation shows there is a threat to your son, then he may be able to prove “constructive eviction” in court, which means the roommate alone owes the rest of the rent. Your son may have to continue to pay to avoid ruining his credit, but he does have the option to try to recover it in small claims court.
6. Don’t let this affect your son’s education. If he is working with a CARE team, they can help him reach out to professors for accommodations while dealing with this issue. I hate to say it, but there is a lot of work in being a victim since there are so many steps required to protect yourself. That, plus the stress of this situation, really takes its toll. He needs to use whatever University resources he has available, including academic ones.
I wish you the best of luck with this situation. Feel free to message me here or on FB if you want to talk privately.
<<Hugs>>
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Post by MDscrapaholic on Feb 11, 2023 12:32:50 GMT
I would be placing an ad for the apartment and try to find someone to sublease it from you/your son so he can move. Also address it with the landlord to see if subleasing is allowed and ask if the landlord will let him out of the lease. If it's a college town with lots of renters maybe landlord has a wait list or knows or another potential tenant he can move in. Do not do this! You are passing along a dangerous situation to another innocent student knowing full well this person is dangerous. What a dick move! Reach out to the university first. Trust me, this is not the first time a school has had to deal with a situation, and may already have previous reports on this kid. If the school is a good school, they will work with you to avoid this situation escalating. They will also involve the police. I'm sorry you and your son are in this situation - I know I would be worried too. Your son can’t be the first one to tangle with this kid. I would not be surprised if he’s already on their radar as a problem.
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Post by cakediva on Feb 11, 2023 12:43:23 GMT
I would be placing an ad for the apartment and try to find someone to sublease it from you/your son so he can move. Also address it with the landlord to see if subleasing is allowed and ask if the landlord will let him out of the lease. If it's a college town with lots of renters maybe landlord has a wait list or knows or another potential tenant he can move in. Are you serious? You want them to pass the buck on to some unsuspecting new roommate? If things escalate the new person would be at risk. NOT a good idea!
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Feb 11, 2023 12:59:59 GMT
Is you son living in PA? If so, this situation does not appear to fit the definition of domestic violence. For domestic violence charges (and protections) in PA, the roommates must be in a romantic or sexual relationship. Unfortunately, “college roommates sharing the rent” are probably not “household members” entitled to the additional legal protections and rights under the DV laws.
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Post by Sarah*H on Feb 11, 2023 13:04:24 GMT
Thanks everyone. Typing it out made what we need to do clear and you all reinforced it. I’m going to leave the OP up for a little bit longer so it doesn’t seem like I posted and ran but then I will delete it because, like I said, I don’t usually post such personal things, esp. about my kids now that they are older. I appreciate all of your responses!
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Post by scrappinghappy on Feb 11, 2023 13:05:20 GMT
I hate to say it, but this kid could be the next crazy, shooting kids on campus. The school NEEDS to know about him, the police NEED to know about him. You need to get your son out of there and the school can help with emergency housing. There is a lot of good advice on this thread, take it and get your son out of this situation today.
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Post by trixiecat on Feb 11, 2023 13:21:15 GMT
Does your son have a friend he could stay with for the rest of the semester - you are only talking another 3 months right? I know money is an issue but maybe you could pay several hundred dollars a month to the roommate(s) for him to sleep on the couch. His safety is the most important thing. I next would be contact everyone else mentioned...police, landlord (to let him know your son is leaving and for that person to document how the apartment and his room are left in case the roommate decides to trash the place and blame can not be put on your son), and university. This kid sounds like he is mentally unhinged and who knows what he may do. Please give us an update once your son is in a safe place and what you find out. I am sure it could be helpful to others.
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Post by annie on Feb 11, 2023 13:42:21 GMT
This is truly horrifying. I won't add any advice since people have been awesome with what to do. Just sending hugs to you. This is so traumatizing for all of you!
If money is tight, can you possibly take out temporary loans just to get him out of there? His safety is worthy any amount of money. This is not sustainable for so many more months.
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Post by auntkelly on Feb 11, 2023 13:46:29 GMT
Thanks everyone. Typing it out made what we need to do clear and you all reinforced it. I’m going to leave the OP up for a little bit longer so it doesn’t seem like I posted and ran but then I will delete it because, like I said, I don’t usually post such personal things, esp. about my kids now that they are older. I appreciate all of your responses! Go ahead and delete it now if you want. Your son’s safety and privacy is more important than any Pea etiquette. We’ll all understand if you don’t follow up.
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Post by bumble on Feb 11, 2023 14:15:02 GMT
I’m so sorry. What a mess. This is super privileged answer, I completely recognize that, but given this seems like a situation that could escalate and become potentially life-threatening, I’d move my kid out, find him a single apartment and just pay the lease through July. There’s some legal risk/liability there but preserving my child’s physical safety would trump that. Good luck whatever you do ❤️ I agree. If that meant using credit and incurring debt, I’d deal with it. OP I’m scared for your son. 🥺
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Post by sabrinae on Feb 11, 2023 14:24:14 GMT
I know the laws vary from state to state, but can your son request a protection order and request an expedited emergency hearing? If it is granted, then your son can request to get out of the lease and the landlord would have to honor it. This is what I was going to suggest. I know in California he could get out of the lease with a restraining order. I assume this is the same in many other states. This is my suggestion. Start with the police and they may be able to refer him to a victim advocate who can help him through the protection order process. I would also notify the university. I know easier said than done but it’s a start.
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Post by shanniebananie on Feb 11, 2023 14:24:30 GMT
How much is your son’s well-being worth? I would do anything I could to get him out if there NOW!
Take a personal loan, put it on a credit credit card, whatever.
Your son’s life is most important.
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Post by pantsonfire on Feb 11, 2023 14:30:13 GMT
I was in a similar situation in the mid 90s at my University. Though it wasn't a roommate situation, it was a fellow classmate.
There was escalating issues with this person and after a few incidents, the person made a direct threat to me.
I notified my professor (who had stepped out of class to go to his office to grab something). He advised me to get my items and leave and allowed 2 friends/classmates to walk me to my vehicle.
I got home and called campus PD. I didn't want to be on campus. Anyways, I had to go there and file a report. I gave all details. I got a report number.
Someone under the dean also called me as well as another department.
The next class, campus PD entered the room, pulled the student out and did a search of the person, vehicle, bag. No weapon was found but they were arrested and removed from the class. They were also expelled from campus.
A few students in the class also gave reports of what the behaviors were and what was said.
I am so sorry your son is going through this.
The school will take it seriously.
For now, your son needs to remove himself and items and find a safe space to sleep. Hugs to you all.
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