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Post by librarylady on Feb 22, 2023 0:33:44 GMT
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AllieC
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Post by AllieC on Feb 22, 2023 0:35:35 GMT
This has been around for a long time but it is definitely helpful for those that haven't seen it before.
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Post by gorgeouskid on Feb 22, 2023 0:42:39 GMT
I'm all about the spoons.
Fortunately my chronic illnesses doesn't require a lot of spoons on a day to day basis, but I find this analogy a good explanation to those who might not know.
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Post by kkrenn on Feb 22, 2023 3:00:39 GMT
We talk in spoons daily thanks to my chronic disease!
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quiltz
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Post by quiltz on Feb 22, 2023 3:02:01 GMT
This has been discussed several times on this message board.
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kokomo37
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Post by kokomo37 on Feb 22, 2023 3:32:03 GMT
Thank you. I have been on/off this board for years and have never heard this before
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paget
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Post by paget on Feb 22, 2023 4:15:23 GMT
This has been discussed several times on this message board. Well I’ve been a regular pea for 23 years and never seen it. Op, thank you for sharing it.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Feb 22, 2023 4:57:49 GMT
This has been discussed several times on this message board. Well I’ve been a regular pea for 23 years and never seen it. Op, thank you for sharing it. I don't recall it either. Thank you for sharing op.
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Post by malibou on Feb 22, 2023 7:16:33 GMT
I too have never heard of this. Thank you for sharing. I deeply feel for our peap spoonies.
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Post by Crack-a-lackin on Feb 22, 2023 8:50:13 GMT
This has been used by many to describe their mental health capacity. I think it’s a good tool to help those who don’t have the same challenges a way of understanding, and is easy to communicate without having to go into much detail.
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Post by myboysnme on Feb 22, 2023 10:08:02 GMT
I don't get how it works.
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Post by mikklynn on Feb 22, 2023 12:46:08 GMT
I don't recall seeing it before, but it is a great way to explain having a finite amount of energy.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Feb 22, 2023 13:03:46 GMT
I can see how this may be helpful. I have always referred to it as my mental cup. The idea of try to "pour from an empty cup." But I can see how this might be not quite adequate because neurotypical/non-chronically ill people also use this reference.
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Post by peasapie on Feb 22, 2023 13:05:06 GMT
This has been discussed several times on this message board. So what’s your point? OP - my son and my closest friend have autoimmune and chronic pain diseases. The article helped me; thanks for sharing.
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scrappyesq
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Post by scrappyesq on Feb 22, 2023 13:34:51 GMT
I’ve heard of this but never on this board.
I think it’s useful to an extent. I have a chronic illness and I’ve never felt physically ill enough to need the theory to explain how I’m feeling. If the theory is used to explain how chronic illness affects an individual it should be personalized for the individual who is discussing the impact of the illness on them. Especially in a world where it seems no matter your situation there is someone willing to catastrophize pretty much anything.
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Post by scrapmaven on Feb 22, 2023 13:58:07 GMT
My spoons are the sparsest part of my utensil drawer. I would take more energy over the ability to eat normally, any day. The spoon theory describes life with chronic illness and pain, brilliantly. Tyfs. Eta: I read scrappyesq's post, again and she is correct. Many chronic health issues aren't as severe and I want to add that caveat. Though, I never play my violin. One of my doctors quoted me this week, "I want empathy, not sympathy". My illness is just part of who I am, but I have much bigger fish to fry.
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Post by auntkelly on Feb 22, 2023 14:42:35 GMT
I've never heard the spoon theory before. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by Texas Scrap on Feb 22, 2023 14:45:43 GMT
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Post by milocat on Feb 22, 2023 14:57:23 GMT
I don't get how it works. Another way to look at it is like this, you have 20 tasks to do today. Each tasks takes one point to complete. A healthy person has 30, 40 points to use, so lots of energy left over to feel good at the end of the day or keep tackling more tasks. A person with a chronic illness might only have 13, 6 or 2 points so there is no way they are doing everything because they just don't able enough mental and physical wellness to complete that many tasks with how bad they are feeling. They are working with a deficit. They don't have many points today, they don't have enough spoons.
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scrappyesq
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Post by scrappyesq on Feb 22, 2023 15:51:17 GMT
My spoons are the sparsest part of my utensil drawer. I would take more energy over the ability to eat normally, any day. The spoon theory describes life with chronic illness and pain, brilliantly. Tyfs. Eta: I read scrappyesq's post, again and she is correct. Many chronic health issues aren't as severe and I want to add that caveat. Though, I never play my violin. One of my doctors quoted me this week, "I want empathy, not sympathy". My illness is just part of who I am, but I have much bigger fish to fry. That’s it EXACTLY. Empathy. Not sympathy. I have MS. I am not on my deathbed. I hope that I don’t sound as if I’m minimizing anyone else’s suffering. Or even my own. It’s hard having a chronic illness because most people don’t want to dig a little deeper and find out how you’re really doing, which can be a disservice whether you’re feeling good or bad. You become the illness as opposed to being a human being with an illness.
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Post by silverlining on Feb 22, 2023 16:57:10 GMT
I hadn't heard about this before. I'm glad you shared it, because it helps me to better understand what living with a chronic illness is like.
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Post by RosieKat on Feb 22, 2023 18:25:33 GMT
I'm one of those people on the border. I have more spoons than many, but less than the average healthy person. So many days, I'm just fine, especially if they are just normal days. But give me a bunch of super active or stressful days, particularly in a row, and I'm just gone. And what's active to me may not be what's active for you.
For example, I just spent the long weekend with my daughter at an out-of-state tournament. This required flying, renting a car, driving another hour to our destination where I'd never been, getting up wayyyy early in a different time zone, spending much of the day in the heat while socializing with strangers or people I barely know, keeping my daughter on an even keel, doing team stuff after hours, getting to bed late, no privacy, etc. etc. etc. Every one of these things is outside my norm (except the even keel part) and stresses me physically, mentally, and emotionally. But you can't really explain this to anyone, because I did have a great time with her. If I try to explain how very drained I am, it makes no sense to anyone. It's because I borrowed the next month's worth of spoons! I did it, but now there are just a few spoons washed and replaced in the drawer every night, not a full drawer.
But people in my circle don't quite understand, because I got to travel and spend time with DD and had fun!
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Post by refugeepea on Feb 22, 2023 19:04:43 GMT
I hope that I don’t sound as if I’m minimizing anyone else’s suffering. Or even my own. It’s hard having a chronic illness because most people don’t want to dig a little deeper and find out how you’re really doing, which can be a disservice whether you’re feeling good or bad. You become the illness as opposed to being a human being with an illness. I understand what you are saying. For me, it's a couple of issues. I don't know if I can say chronic illness? Chronic pain perhaps because my body is beat up. Also being a caregiver for an Autistic epileptic son. It's kind of two fold. Don't treat my son like he's a baby and don't treat me like you feel so damn bad for me.
I've heard of the spoon theory, but I think it's easier to explain I prioritize based on how I'm feeling and what needs to be done.
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Post by theshyone on Feb 22, 2023 19:18:07 GMT
Thanks for sharing. I’ve seen the concept for decades I think and have used it the last few years. Sometimes I just can’t. Be it mental or physical.
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Post by The Birdhouse Lady on Feb 22, 2023 19:25:56 GMT
I totally get what you are saying RosieKat.
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Post by dewryce on Feb 22, 2023 20:19:41 GMT
I'm one of those people on the border. I have more spoons than many, but less than the average healthy person. So many days, I'm just fine, especially if they are just normal days. But give me a bunch of super active or stressful days, particularly in a row, and I'm just gone. And what's active to me may not be what's active for you. For example, I just spent the long weekend with my daughter at an out-of-state tournament. This required flying, renting a car, driving another hour to our destination where I'd never been, getting up wayyyy early in a different time zone, spending much of the day in the heat while socializing with strangers or people I barely know, keeping my daughter on an even keel, doing team stuff after hours, getting to bed late, no privacy, etc. etc. etc. Every one of these things is outside my norm (except the even keel part) and stresses me physically, mentally, and emotionally. But you can't really explain this to anyone, because I did have a great time with her. If I try to explain how very drained I am, it makes no sense to anyone. It's because I borrowed the next month's worth of spoons! I did it, but now there are just a few spoons washed and replaced in the drawer every night, not a full drawer. But people in my circle don't quite understand, because I got to travel and spend time with DD and had fun! I know what you mean exactly, have experienced too many times to count! Just because you were able to do these things and enjoy them doesn’t mean there won’t be consequences. And just because you’ve done it once before doesn’t mean you’ll be able to do it again as the number of spoons we have on any given day can fluctuate. I’ve been using this theory for a while to try and help people who’ve expressed interest to understand. Unfortunately, there are always those who will not acknowledge that some people just don’t get as many spoons, or that it takes them way more spoons to complete a completely ordinary task than it does the next person.
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Post by RosieKat on Feb 22, 2023 20:34:45 GMT
Unfortunately, there are always those who will not acknowledge that some people just don’t get as many spoons, or that it takes them way more spoons to complete a completely ordinary task than it does the next person. Definitely! The one thing I've used with a modicum of success is introvert/extravert, since I do feel like some people are starting to understand the energy use that behaving like one when you are another takes. I'm a pretty distinct introvert, so I can go to a party and have fun if all the stars are aligned just right - but it'll drain my energy. It drains my extravert son's energy to have to be in a quiet place without human interaction. And I do think some people are understanding of that.
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Post by jayfab on Feb 22, 2023 21:17:05 GMT
I'm one of those people on the border. I have more spoons than many, but less than the average healthy person. So many days, I'm just fine, especially if they are just normal days. But give me a bunch of super active or stressful days, particularly in a row, and I'm just gone. And what's active to me may not be what's active for you. For example, I just spent the long weekend with my daughter at an out-of-state tournament. This required flying, renting a car, driving another hour to our destination where I'd never been, getting up wayyyy early in a different time zone, spending much of the day in the heat while socializing with strangers or people I barely know, keeping my daughter on an even keel, doing team stuff after hours, getting to bed late, no privacy, etc. etc. etc. Every one of these things is outside my norm (except the even keel part) and stresses me physically, mentally, and emotionally. But you can't really explain this to anyone, because I did have a great time with her. If I try to explain how very drained I am, it makes no sense to anyone. It's because I borrowed the next month's worth of spoons! I did it, but now there are just a few spoons washed and replaced in the drawer every night, not a full drawer. But people in my circle don't quite understand, because I got to travel and spend time with DD and had fun! Yes, I live with arthritis and fibromyalgia and most days are perfectly fine but some are ugh. This is a great explanation how I am. Adding it's so hard to explain how I feel to some people when I am feeling awful. I know you just saw me yesterday and I was perfectly fine, but today I'm not.
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Post by bluebird71 on Feb 22, 2023 21:18:00 GMT
Is this new to you? Maybe you don't know many people with chronic health problems. Including mental health issues. We've been using the spoons thing for at least 15 years. I'm glad you found out about it.
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Post by myboysnme on Feb 22, 2023 22:39:42 GMT
milocat Ah! That makes sense. I run at a deficit every day.
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