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Post by templatequeen on Mar 14, 2023 22:28:01 GMT
So we have had a new mail carrier for about a year now. He smokes in his mail Jeep. Our mail constantly smells like smoke. All our packages the same when we bring things in the house. Today I think I’ve had my final frustration. I ordered some nice yarn and it came today…. Well the bag and the yarn inside smell like cigarettes.
I am not trying to attack smokers by any means but I am so tired of my mail and stuff always smelling so bad.
Do I leave a note in my mail box? Do I go up to my post office and complain? I see him in my day off during the week sit at the end of the street probably in a break in his Jeep just parked smoking.
What would you do?
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Post by littlemama on Mar 14, 2023 22:32:22 GMT
I can guarantee that he is not allowed to smoke on or in government property. I would go to the post office and make a complaint. If your package still smells like smoke, take it along
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Post by pinklady on Mar 14, 2023 22:40:01 GMT
I would go down to the post office to complain but honestly, don't expect much to happen. The USPS is useless.
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Post by templatequeen on Mar 14, 2023 22:46:03 GMT
I can guarantee that he is not allowed to smoke on or in government property. I would go to the post office and make a complaint. If your package still smells like smoke, take it along If that’s actually the case, I don’t know how he’s been able to be my mailman for the last year🤣. The people at the PO have to be able to smell how bad his Jeep smells and would put a stop to it….
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Post by Gem Girl on Mar 14, 2023 23:07:25 GMT
At the risk of sounding like a pansy, what's wrong with trying to have a pleasantly toned discussion with the carrier as a first step? It may not have occurred to him that he's stinking up the mail, as smokers rarely realize how intense and pervasive the odor is.
It saddens me that the first reaction from so many people is complain to his boss. Whatever happened to, "I hate to be a bother, but...." and the responding equally kindly that that might evoke? And the extra care and attention to your mail that might be engendered from somebody's being grateful not to have been thrown to the wolves as a first resort? Sigh.
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Post by teacherlisa on Mar 14, 2023 23:13:26 GMT
I ended up having to get a PO box. I was not happy even with that but it was better than smoky mail. I have a rural route and they drive personal vehicles.
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Post by pantsonfire on Mar 14, 2023 23:14:16 GMT
882 Policy
882.1 Buildings Smoking is strictly prohibited in all buildings or office space (including service lobbies) owned or leased by the U.S. Postal Service. There will be no indoor smoking permitted by any occupant of such space. Local managers, with input from employee representatives, may decide whether or not to permit smoking in designated outdoor locations on Postal Service property.
882.2 Vehicles Smoking is prohibited in any General Services Administration interagency fleet management system vehicles.
Since it is prohibited and talking to him will most likely not make him stop, I would go to the local post office.
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Post by pantsonfire on Mar 14, 2023 23:14:40 GMT
I ended up having to get a PO box. I was not happy even with that but it was better than smoky mail. I have a rural route and they drive personal vehicles. This was going to be my suggestion.
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Post by templatequeen on Mar 14, 2023 23:17:07 GMT
I ended up having to get a PO box. I was not happy even with that but it was better than smoky mail. I have a rural route and they drive personal vehicles. Yea, I don’t feel like I should have to pay for a PO Box! Plus make extra trips during the week to get my mail. Not trying to be snarky but that’s not happening.
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Post by teacherlisa on Mar 14, 2023 23:25:55 GMT
I agree. I complained a lot and was not charged. It was a huge hassle to go to the PO to pick it up though. I now have a new carrier and have resumed my normal delivery, but I did have a PO box for 2-3 years I think
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Post by littlemama on Mar 14, 2023 23:53:23 GMT
I ended up having to get a PO box. I was not happy even with that but it was better than smoky mail. I have a rural route and they drive personal vehicles. Yea, I don’t feel like I should have to pay for a PO Box! Plus make extra trips during the week to get my mail. Not trying to be snarky but that’s not happening. No, I wouldnt pay money for a PO box when the simple solution is for him to stop smoking where he isnt allowed to smoke. I doubt the Postmaster would be out smelling the Jeeps, so they wouldnt know and they are the ones who can do something about it. The driver knows damn well he isnt allowed to smoke in the vehicle so talking to him isnt going to solve anything. Talking to the postmaster isnt intended to get him in trouble, it is intended to let them know so they can tell him to stop.
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Post by hop2 on Mar 14, 2023 23:57:35 GMT
At the risk of sounding like a pansy, what's wrong with trying to have a pleasantly toned discussion with the carrier as a first step? It may not have occurred to him that he's stinking up the mail, as smokers rarely realize how intense and pervasive the odor is. It saddens me that the first reaction from so many people is complain to his boss. Whatever happened to, "I hate to be a bother, but...." and the responding equally kindly that that might evoke? And the extra care and attention to your mail that might be engendered from somebody's being grateful not to have been thrown to the wolves as a first resort? Sigh. IF the carrier is driving a USPS vehicle and not his own vehicle he ir she is NOT allowed to smoke in it. They know this and are still smoking. What is talking to someone who is deliberately disobeying a policy going to do. They know they aren’t allowed, they do it anyway, you can talk until you’re blue in the face & I can’t see what difference it would make. If the don’t care about the policy & the vehicle smelling, why would the care uf yoyr mail smells.
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Post by katlady on Mar 15, 2023 1:41:29 GMT
Do you know your neighbors? Do they have the same issue? Maybe you can write out a neighborhood complaint and take it to your local post office?
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Post by lisae on Mar 15, 2023 1:49:09 GMT
I would go to the post office about it. This is clearly something he is not supposed to be doing and you definitely should not be getting smoke smelling mail and packages.
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Post by peaname on Mar 15, 2023 1:52:09 GMT
I’d be tempted to return the yarn, I’ve dropped a hundred plus dollars on yarn before and I would not want it to smell like smoke.
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Post by Gennifer on Mar 15, 2023 2:00:32 GMT
882 Policy 882.1 Buildings Smoking is strictly prohibited in all buildings or office space (including service lobbies) owned or leased by the U.S. Postal Service. There will be no indoor smoking permitted by any occupant of such space. Local managers, with input from employee representatives, may decide whether or not to permit smoking in designated outdoor locations on Postal Service property. 882.2 Vehicles Smoking is prohibited in any General Services Administration interagency fleet management system vehicles. Since it is prohibited and talking to him will most likely not make him stop, I would go to the local post office. The vehicle may or may not be fleet. My dad was a postal carrier for years until he retired, and he was paid mileage, but supplied his own vehicle. The same is true for the carriers in my town… none of them drive vehicles that are owned by the USPS.
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Post by micpea on Mar 15, 2023 16:55:55 GMT
I’d be tempted to return the yarn, I’ve dropped a hundred plus dollars on yarn before and I would not want it to smell like smoke. I'd be tempted to return it also & let the company file a damage claim with the post office.
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Post by Lexica on Mar 15, 2023 17:40:01 GMT
I detest the smell of cigarettes too. I have asthma and I have to leave an area if someone near me is smoking. So bringing that into my home is a definite no. Smoke lingers for so long. My next door neighbor and his wife were heavy smokers. I only had one small window on that side of my house, in the master bathroom. I could be downstairs and suddenly get a strong whiff of smoke. I would have to run upstairs and close that window. It meant the neighbors were home and they opened their back slider. The smell was that strong. I could smell it even if they were not home, but it got insanely strong when they were.
I liked them as people, but they stunk! I was happy when they decided to move. The new buyers had to completely tear out all the flooring, cabinets, drywall, and insulation in the house, and then spray a sealant on the wood framing. They thought the windows were tinted until the wife squirt Windex on the back slider and rivulets of brownish yellow ran down. Years and years of multiple packs a day each will do that to an house. They had to replace those too. By the time they were done, no surface inside the house remained from the previous owners and everything else was well sealed with double coats of spray.
The wife and two sons went to a hotel until all the changes were made because she refused to expose them to that stench. She didn’t move in until everything was replaced. And even with all that work, I could still smell it when they opened the windows to their home if my windows were open too. It was truly that bad.
They asked me about whether or not they ever cleaned and I had to tell them that they didn’t. The husband had MS and the wife said she worked all week long so she had zero intentions of working when she came home. They did zero cooking and had meals delivered. They also sent laundry out to be done and a crew maintained the lawns. They sold the house to move into a small condo to eliminate the yard care costs and to get a smaller place. And it took months to get someone to buy the place at all. Most people turned around at the entryway because the smell was so horrible.
The man borrowed my fax machine just overnight when he was sending in applications for work. When he brought it back the next day, I had to put it in the garage inside of a trash bag until I had time to clean it. I had to completely take it apart, throw away the stack of paper, and wipe down all surfaces with rubbing alcohol, inside and out. The Q-tips and paper towels I used were yellow from just 24 hours of exposure to their home.
So yeah, I really really sympathize with you. I cannot stand that smell. I would talk to the mailman, knowing that he probably won’t do anything to change, but as a first step, I would at least give him the courtesy to ask him. Then I would take any package and a handful of mail to the post office and have the postmaster give it a sniff. You should not have to deal with that on a daily basis! Tell them that you have witnessed him smoking in the vehicle on his breaks. They would just have to go smell the interior of the vehicle themselves to know you are reporting the truth so I don’t think getting a video would be necessary.
If nothing happens, I would work my way up the chain until they either get him to quit smoking in the vehicle or put him on a different route. And his hands are going to be covered with the smell as well, so just him handling your mail is going to affect it. I suppose there is nothing you can do about contact transference like that but getting him to stop smoking inside the vehicle should help a lot.
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Post by papersilly on Mar 15, 2023 18:24:32 GMT
Do you know your neighbors? Do they have the same issue? Maybe you can write out a neighborhood complaint and take it to your local post office? a neighborhood complaint will show this is a widespread issue. i would talk to my neighbors about bringing this issue to the USPS. strength in numbers and this makes it seem less like an isolated karen issue. i'm not saying OP is a karen but one person complaining is more likely to get blown off than an entire neighborhood. OP, i would be pissed if my mail arrived daily smelling like smoke. what if there was a greeting card in there that i wanted to keep? or important paperwork i had to file away? you should definitely address this with the postal office.
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Post by Country Ham on Mar 15, 2023 19:31:05 GMT
I would also request better packaging. Fabrics should be sealed in protective bags or plastic that smoke shouldn't penetrate. This would protect contents from smoke, water, dirt etc
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Post by mikklynn on Mar 16, 2023 14:52:01 GMT
I would file a complaint with the post office.
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Post by workingclassdog on Mar 16, 2023 15:14:32 GMT
At the risk of sounding like a pansy, what's wrong with trying to have a pleasantly toned discussion with the carrier as a first step? It may not have occurred to him that he's stinking up the mail, as smokers rarely realize how intense and pervasive the odor is. It saddens me that the first reaction from so many people is complain to his boss. Whatever happened to, "I hate to be a bother, but...." and the responding equally kindly that that might evoke? And the extra care and attention to your mail that might be engendered from somebody's being grateful not to have been thrown to the wolves as a first resort? Sigh. From a non-smoker to a smoker, me asking someone not to smoke is not going to go over well. I would never approach someone on that subject because I know damn well if he knows he isn't supposed to in the first place then someone asking him to stop, he isn't going to.
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Post by Just T on Mar 16, 2023 15:16:50 GMT
My mail carrier smokes. Driving a post office mail delivery truck. I didn't know that's not allowed, but it always has bugged me when I see her putting mail in my mailbox with a cigarette hanging out of her mouth.
There are other reasons I don't care for her, that is just one. LOL
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Post by peppermintpatty on Mar 16, 2023 16:32:31 GMT
Call USPS (the main number) and tell them. They will trickle it down to the local branch. I did this because the guy was leaving his butts all over my yard. I would watch him throw them out of the mail truck. After I complained it stopped. Everything stinking like smoke is a deal breaker for me. I would also file a claim for the yarn.
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Post by peppermintpatty on Mar 16, 2023 16:34:33 GMT
At the risk of sounding like a pansy, what's wrong with trying to have a pleasantly toned discussion with the carrier as a first step? It may not have occurred to him that he's stinking up the mail, as smokers rarely realize how intense and pervasive the odor is. It saddens me that the first reaction from so many people is complain to his boss. Whatever happened to, "I hate to be a bother, but...." and the responding equally kindly that that might evoke? And the extra care and attention to your mail that might be engendered from somebody's being grateful not to have been thrown to the wolves as a first resort? Sigh. She needs to complain about it because talking to him won't do anything. It will probably result in her mail being damaged or not getting it. They aren't paid enough to care.
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Post by snugglebutter on Mar 16, 2023 16:43:47 GMT
At the risk of sounding like a pansy, what's wrong with trying to have a pleasantly toned discussion with the carrier as a first step? It may not have occurred to him that he's stinking up the mail, as smokers rarely realize how intense and pervasive the odor is. It saddens me that the first reaction from so many people is complain to his boss. Whatever happened to, "I hate to be a bother, but...." and the responding equally kindly that that might evoke? And the extra care and attention to your mail that might be engendered from somebody's being grateful not to have been thrown to the wolves as a first resort? Sigh.
My experience with smokers in my family is that they are NOT receptive to any talk about the smell.
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Post by workingclassdog on Mar 16, 2023 17:33:15 GMT
At the risk of sounding like a pansy, what's wrong with trying to have a pleasantly toned discussion with the carrier as a first step? It may not have occurred to him that he's stinking up the mail, as smokers rarely realize how intense and pervasive the odor is. It saddens me that the first reaction from so many people is complain to his boss. Whatever happened to, "I hate to be a bother, but...." and the responding equally kindly that that might evoke? And the extra care and attention to your mail that might be engendered from somebody's being grateful not to have been thrown to the wolves as a first resort? Sigh.
My experience with smokers in my family is that they are NOT receptive to any talk about the smell.
Exactly this!! 100%
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Post by crazy4scraps on Mar 17, 2023 4:09:05 GMT
I would also request better packaging. Fabrics should be sealed in protective bags or plastic that smoke shouldn't penetrate. This would protect contents from smoke, water, dirt etc That really wouldn’t even help. My MIL was a chain smoker and once she gave us a couple completely sealed bags of wrapped Halloween candy that she didn’t open because she just had a couple kids show up to trick or treat. We thought surely because it was all basically double wrapped it would be fine plus the bags had only been in her house for a short time, but it was long enough that the wrapped chocolate inside tasted like someone wiped out an ashtray with them! We ended up throwing all of it away. 😫
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Post by Merge on Mar 17, 2023 13:44:35 GMT
At the risk of sounding like a pansy, what's wrong with trying to have a pleasantly toned discussion with the carrier as a first step? It may not have occurred to him that he's stinking up the mail, as smokers rarely realize how intense and pervasive the odor is. It saddens me that the first reaction from so many people is complain to his boss. Whatever happened to, "I hate to be a bother, but...." and the responding equally kindly that that might evoke? And the extra care and attention to your mail that might be engendered from somebody's being grateful not to have been thrown to the wolves as a first resort? Sigh.
My experience with smokers in my family is that they are NOT receptive to any talk about the smell.
Yeah we see over on my thread that the bar for consideration is set at whether or not it’s legal. I’ve never understood why their addiction should become everyone else’s problem.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Mar 17, 2023 13:54:07 GMT
I would have to be the squeaky wheel with the post office over this issue. I would find it unacceptable for all my mail and packages to reek of cigarette smoke. I would complain every time until it was resolved.
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