The Great Carpezio
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Apr 18, 2023 17:23:20 GMT
I am not big on sending him out either, but apparently, it is one of the best fundraisers out there. I don't usually buy from door to door unless I know the kids from the neighborhood, but I also buy a lot from my students in school.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 18, 2023 17:41:36 GMT
One kid was going door to door selling his coupon books and I almost wondered if it could go bad for him. People are so scared and ready to shoot for just being on your doorstep. I can't imagine that ever being my first response. Shit....you just unlocked a new level of terror for me. My son has to go out and sell coupon books door to door for his lacrosse team next weekend. They are going as a group...not sure that is better or worse. I’m seriously considering reaching out to the football coach to let him know it is time to come up with a different fundraiser. They sell those coupon cards, which people don’t really use anyway. I don’t think I’m comfortable with my kids going door to door at this point.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 18, 2023 17:48:42 GMT
One kid was going door to door selling his coupon books and I almost wondered if it could go bad for him. People are so scared and ready to shoot for just being on your doorstep. I can't imagine that ever being my first response. Shit....you just unlocked a new level of terror for me. My son has to go out and sell coupon books door to door for his lacrosse team next weekend. They are going as a group...not sure that is better or worse. I’m kind of floored that kids do this as a fundraiser. It’s seriously SHOCKING to me. Even back when I was in school we were specifically told NOT to go door to door with our fundraisers because that was too dangerous back then. There is absolutely no way in hell that I would ever allow my kids to do that.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Apr 18, 2023 17:51:54 GMT
Shit....you just unlocked a new level of terror for me. My son has to go out and sell coupon books door to door for his lacrosse team next weekend. They are going as a group...not sure that is better or worse. I’m seriously considering reaching out to the football coach to let him know it is time to come up with a different fundraiser. They sell those coupon cards, which people don’t really use anyway. I don’t think I’m comfortable with my kids going door to door at this point. Honestly this - and I am one who still answers my door and just bought some stupid coupon book from a high school kid literally last week - and side note they're stupid and I know I'm just handing them $25 as I'll never figure out all the coupon rules - oops not Monday, oops not online - yeah this isn't my first rodeo. The kid was ecstatic that I actually answered my door- I do think this is just a dumb fundraiser. Throw something, anything on social media - people are way, way more likely to respond. Or do the whole car wash - which in my town is hilariously successful - I think mostly as they think kids won't get their hands dirty and last year one of the organizations partnered with a local car wash place so they literally don't get their hands dirty, but people were lined up!
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 18, 2023 18:00:00 GMT
I’m seriously considering reaching out to the football coach to let him know it is time to come up with a different fundraiser. They sell those coupon cards, which people don’t really use anyway. I don’t think I’m comfortable with my kids going door to door at this point. Honestly this - and I am one who still answers my door and just bought some stupid coupon book from a high school kid literally last week - and side note they're stupid and I know I'm just handing them $25 as I'll never figure out all the coupon rules - oops not Monday, oops not online - yeah this isn't my first rodeo. The kid was ecstatic that I actually answered my door- I do think this is just a dumb fundraiser. Throw something, anything on social media - people are way, way more likely to respond. Or do the whole car wash - which in my town is hilariously successful - I think mostly as they think kids won't get their hands dirty and last year one of the organizations partnered with a local car wash place so they literally don't get their hands dirty, but people were lined up! My kids have hated this fundraiser for years, except that they can win football apparel for selling a certain amount of cards. But I can't say I have ever remembered to use the card in 6 years. I would like to know what the team made from those. Baseball has started doing a phone-a-thon where people just donate money and they made over 10K the first night. From what I saw online, many people donated more than $100 and I am sure those people weren't buying 5 or more of the discount cards from football.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Apr 18, 2023 18:00:35 GMT
Shit....you just unlocked a new level of terror for me. My son has to go out and sell coupon books door to door for his lacrosse team next weekend. They are going as a group...not sure that is better or worse. I’m kind of floored that kids do this as a fundraiser. It’s seriously SHOCKING to me. Even back when I was in school we were specifically told NOT to go door to door with our fundraisers because that was too dangerous back then. There is absolutely no way in hell that I would ever allow my kids to do that.I feel like within the last year or two, Girl Scouts have encouraged members NOT to go door to door to sell cookies. It made me sad to hear that.
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The Great Carpezio
Pearl Clutcher
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Apr 18, 2023 18:02:59 GMT
Shit....you just unlocked a new level of terror for me. My son has to go out and sell coupon books door to door for his lacrosse team next weekend. They are going as a group...not sure that is better or worse. I’m seriously considering reaching out to the football coach to let him know it is time to come up with a different fundraiser. They sell those coupon cards, which people don’t really use anyway. I don’t think I’m comfortable with my kids going door to door at this point. Yeah, I have never been a big fan. According to the booster, this is one of the best ones though. I hate fundraisers that sell things in any way (I like meat raffles but they don't make a ton of money), but I also hate that some sports, like LAX, can be inaccessible for many kids if we don't raise money elsewhere.
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The Great Carpezio
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Apr 18, 2023 18:03:52 GMT
Honestly this - and I am one who still answers my door and just bought some stupid coupon book from a high school kid literally last week - and side note they're stupid and I know I'm just handing them $25 as I'll never figure out all the coupon rules - oops not Monday, oops not online - yeah this isn't my first rodeo. The kid was ecstatic that I actually answered my door- I do think this is just a dumb fundraiser. Throw something, anything on social media - people are way, way more likely to respond. Or do the whole car wash - which in my town is hilariously successful - I think mostly as they think kids won't get their hands dirty and last year one of the organizations partnered with a local car wash place so they literally don't get their hands dirty, but people were lined up! My kids have hated this fundraiser for years, except that they can win football apparel for selling a certain amount of cards. But I can't say I have ever remembered to use the card in 6 years. I would like to know what the team made from those. Baseball has started doing a phone-a-thon where people just donate money and they made over 10K the first night. From what I saw online, many people donated more than $100 and I am sure those people weren't buying 5 or more of the discount cards from football. That is interesting about the phone-a-thon...I would like to learn more about that.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 18, 2023 18:13:52 GMT
I’m kind of floored that kids do this as a fundraiser. It’s seriously SHOCKING to me. Even back when I was in school we were specifically told NOT to go door to door with our fundraisers because that was too dangerous back then. There is absolutely no way in hell that I would ever allow my kids to do that.I feel like within the last year or two, Girl Scouts have encouraged members NOT to go door to door to sell cookies. It made me sad to hear that. And again, when I was in Girl Scouts in elementary school we were expressly forbidden from going door to door to sell. I have never in my life (childhood and since I’ve had my own home) had a GS come to my door.
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The Great Carpezio
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Apr 18, 2023 18:18:59 GMT
I feel like within the last year or two, Girl Scouts have encouraged members NOT to go door to door to sell cookies. It made me sad to hear that. And again, when I was in Girl Scouts in elementary school we were expressly forbidden from going door to door to sell. I have never in my life (childhood and since I’ve had my own home) had a GS come to my door. It it so interesting how different regions, cultures, states, time periods can have different perspectives and experiences--- isn't it? We always went door to door selling cookies.
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Post by padresfan619 on Apr 18, 2023 18:19:44 GMT
I feel like within the last year or two, Girl Scouts have encouraged members NOT to go door to door to sell cookies. It made me sad to hear that. And again, when I was in Girl Scouts in elementary school we were expressly forbidden from going door to door to sell. I have never in my life (childhood and since I’ve had my own home) had a GS come to my door. This was my experience as well in the 90s. We were only allowed to go to the doors of people we knew and did the majority of our sales at booths in front of stores. My nieces are Girl Scouts now and we do all of the purchasing online and they come drop them off to us. No door to door sales.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Apr 18, 2023 19:31:30 GMT
I'm trying to remember when Girl Scouts as national organizations switched - it was definitely during my years. Sometime around early 90s? They decided door to door was no longer ok.
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The Great Carpezio
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Apr 18, 2023 19:32:32 GMT
I'm trying to remember when Girl Scouts as national organizations switched - it was definitely during my years. Sometime around early 90s? They decided door to door was no longer ok. I was in the GS in the 80's, so that explains that.
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Post by Peace Sign on Apr 18, 2023 19:40:54 GMT
I felt AWFUL that he had been so nervous on my doorstep as I am certainly no threat, but I completely understand why he was. Middle aged white lady with a crazy dog barking behind her? I'm sure all the alarm bells were going off. Anyway, this story reminded me of that and how nervous any Black man or boy must be ringing random doorbells, especially after this incident. I really wish that people would not send kids around to knock on doors to sell things, though. There are just so many ways that can end badly. I have told both of my boys they aren't selling things door to door for sports. We do NOT ring random doorbells! It's stupid. They also are not to just sit in their car in any random place, play their music too loud, and I've told them that if they ever are in need of help, find the Black neighbors. They can be out living their best lives and it can end in a snap. No need to invite trouble.
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Post by Merge on Apr 18, 2023 20:29:22 GMT
I’m kind of floored that kids do this as a fundraiser. It’s seriously SHOCKING to me. Even back when I was in school we were specifically told NOT to go door to door with our fundraisers because that was too dangerous back then. There is absolutely no way in hell that I would ever allow my kids to do that.I feel like within the last year or two, Girl Scouts have encouraged members NOT to go door to door to sell cookies. It made me sad to hear that. We were told to stop doing that way back in 1983, when two boys were abducted and killed in my hometown.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Apr 18, 2023 20:41:36 GMT
I'm trying to remember when Girl Scouts as national organizations switched - it was definitely during my years. Sometime around early 90s? They decided door to door was no longer ok. I was in the GS in the 80's, so that explains that. Me too! it was one of my fondest memories. And I swear, my daughter sold door to door in the 2010s... they were called walk abouts and we took a wagon around with our inventory.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 18, 2023 20:54:13 GMT
Bit of an update on this one. Apparently there were 2 cars who went down the driveway which is very long. They may have thought it was a roadway. They were in an area with dirt roads very rural.. the girl was a passenger in the car.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 18, 2023 22:08:16 GMT
We still have Boy Scouts selling popcorn door to door, as well as other salespeople like book sales, cleaning products, tree trimmers and other handymen, Christian school fundraisers, etc. I live in the same basic area as OP.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 18, 2023 22:20:15 GMT
We still have Boy Scouts selling popcorn door to door, as well as other salespeople like book sales, cleaning products, tree trimmers and other handymen, Christian school fundraisers, etc. I live in the same basic area as OP. Yikes…you don’t have laws about it? In my city, you have to get a permit from the city to go door to door. The permits are bright orange and must be worn visibly around your neck. If you are soliciting without one, you will get arrested. The police come VERY quickly for calls about people ringing doorbells without permits.
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Post by melanell on Apr 19, 2023 1:07:02 GMT
MO laws mean that the charges filed against him will result in more punishment than the attempted murder, according to the Twitterverse. I saw last night that if it was a hate crime, he could have federal charges. These are just state charges. I am sure they will use his age (and beginning signs of dementia) as an excuse, but seriously, if it was a drivers license, people would be calling to have that taken away! This is exactly what we've been saying. People are always ready to stop someone from driving when they get older, but it's totally fine to leave them with their loaded weapon. Give me a break.
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Post by melanell on Apr 19, 2023 1:19:50 GMT
I really wish that people would not send kids around to knock on doors to sell things, though. There are just so many ways that can end badly. I'm really shocked that it still happens so many places. Where I live, I couldn't tell you the last time any kid came to the door selling anything. I recall that it was still within the years when one of my younger siblings were in school that the school started specifically stating that fundraising was NOT be done door to door, and the local scouts switched from door to door around the same time. I'm going to say it was the late 1980s or even earlier.
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Post by katlady on Apr 19, 2023 1:38:17 GMT
We still have Boy Scouts selling popcorn door to door, as well as other salespeople like book sales, cleaning products, tree trimmers and other handymen, Christian school fundraisers, etc. I live in the same basic area as OP. Yikes…you don’t have laws about it? In my city, you have to get a permit from the city to go door to door. The permits are bright orange and must be worn visibly around your neck. If you are soliciting without one, you will get arrested. The police come VERY quickly for calls about people ringing doorbells without permits. It varies from city to city out here, but most only require a form of ID and a copy of a business license. No permits. And cities with permits exempt organizations like the boy and Girl Scouts. And our police don’t have the manpower to come out quickly for a call about someone ringing your doorbell.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 19, 2023 3:58:48 GMT
We still have Boy Scouts selling popcorn door to door, as well as other salespeople like book sales, cleaning products, tree trimmers and other handymen, Christian school fundraisers, etc. I live in the same basic area as OP. Yikes…you don’t have laws about it? In my city, you have to get a permit from the city to go door to door. The permits are bright orange and must be worn visibly around your neck. If you are soliciting without one, you will get arrested. The police come VERY quickly for calls about people ringing doorbells without permits. I do believe the salespeople do have to register with the city but not fundraisers.
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Post by wellway on Apr 19, 2023 9:07:12 GMT
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Post by Bridget in MD on Apr 19, 2023 12:03:24 GMT
Yikes…you don’t have laws about it? In my city, you have to get a permit from the city to go door to door. The permits are bright orange and must be worn visibly around your neck. If you are soliciting without one, you will get arrested. The police come VERY quickly for calls about people ringing doorbells without permits. I do believe the salespeople do have to register with the city but not fundraisers. Plus the kids are supposed to be in BS or GS uniform, which identifies them as with the org....
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 19, 2023 12:50:26 GMT
I just saw this on the news. It is so disturbing that people are so quick to use their weapons. Something needs to change.
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Post by gar on Apr 19, 2023 13:09:40 GMT
I just saw this on the news. It is so disturbing that people are so quick to use their weapons. Something needs to change. Nah...why bother...as long as 'they' have 'their' freedom, who cares apparently ? 🤷🏻♀️
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 19, 2023 13:15:52 GMT
I just saw this on the news. It is so disturbing that people are so quick to use their weapons. Something needs to change. Nah...why bother...as long as 'they' have 'their' freedom, who cares apparently ? 🤷🏻♀️ Yeah, as long as they feel any bit scared (or paranoid) they are justified in shooting someone with no questions asked and no matter the “crime” that the person committed (or didn’t). Never mind that they could kill or hurt an innocent person and/or end up in prison.
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Post by RosieKat on Apr 19, 2023 15:28:41 GMT
The cheerleader one strikes me as particularly egregious since she had already gotten back in the car. He got out of his car and walked up to her to shoot them. Seems like there is no (legitimate) legal argument there. I hope they recover quickly.
One of the things striking me is how at in least 2 out of these 3 cases, the shooter had the gun right at hand. (The driveway one sounds like they could possibly have gone in another room to go get it, with it being the long driveway and having time. Obviously I don't know.) But to have a gun so close you just whip it out and shoot someone standing on your doorstep? To get right out of a car and have it at hand? That's an extra layer of messed up to me. Shooting someone in any of these 3 case is nuts already, but simply having the capacity to do so makes it an extra symptom of what's wrong with a lot of people any more. I guess way more people than I realized really are that paranoid. DH used to make fun of me for telling him not to use his horn except in cases of immediate danger. Now he gets it.
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Post by Merge on Apr 20, 2023 15:24:33 GMT
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