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Post by katlady on Apr 17, 2023 20:08:06 GMT
A mom flying alone with two kids was told by a flight attendant to pick up the mess her kids made. Oh, a pregnant mom! Was the FA right or wrong? www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/toronto-blue-jays-anthony-bass-wife-kids-popcorn-united-airlines-cleaning-153945081.htmlAnd it is interesting that on this tweet made by the dad, United responded and was asking for more information. People in the comments were defending United and telling United not to give in. I always tried to clean up after my boys whenever we went out to eat. I picked up food they dropped on the floor, and if needed, asked for extra napkins to wipe up the mess. So, I would definitely pick up after them on an airplane. Now, the fact that she was pregnant, I might give her a little bit more leeway, but in general I believe you clean up whatever mess you made. I wouldn’t need to be told because I would be trying to clean up anyways.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Apr 17, 2023 20:13:52 GMT
"made" - the poster lost me there. The flight attendant might have been a royal asshole to his wife, but no one "made" her do anything - with the exception of a handful of things punishable by federal law, a flight attendant has exactly zero power. She/he's not going to open the emergency exit and chuck her off the plane for a popcorn mess.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Apr 17, 2023 20:17:20 GMT
And side note - popcorn is a choking hazard for a 2 year old, so no idea why their youngest was eating it to begin with.
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Post by Linda on Apr 17, 2023 20:17:27 GMT
If you're not prepared to clean up popcorn after small children - give them a less messy snack. And 22wks is hardly heavily pregnant to the point of that being a hardship...imo
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Post by epeanymous on Apr 17, 2023 20:18:42 GMT
No problem in theory (and I think most of us do try to clean up in that situation, although it can be logistically difficult).
I will say that the only thing I wondered about is that I've never seen a flight attendant do this, and I've seen adults make some pretty horrifying messes on planes. Doesn't mean it never happens, but the hostility to little kids flying can be high enough that I wonder.
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Post by roundtwo on Apr 17, 2023 20:19:34 GMT
I was ready to side 100% with the airline until I read this part of the story:
" Bass shared some additional context in further tweets, where he noted that "United provided the popcorn, not my wife."
Others got on board with him, and agreed that it should be the airline's responsibility to clean the mess up.
"If they’re going to supply popcorn on the airplane, be ready for messes to clean up," one person wrote."
Why on earth would they offer popcorn on a plane? Have they never seen a movie theatre at the end of the movie?
I always tried my best to leave things decent when out with my kids and I notice my kids do the same with theirs, pregnant or not, but I would never have given them something like popcorn at that age since I knew full well what the result would be.
I am going to have to say in this case, I actually am siding with the mom a little.
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Post by padresfan619 on Apr 17, 2023 20:19:38 GMT
I’m sure the flight attendant “made” her clean up. Popcorn isn’t a suitable snack for kids under four as it is a choking hazard and as mom learned, it also makes a huge mess. I’m a parent of a 2 year old, it is my responsibility to clean up after him and to teach him to be courteous of others, that means keeping a clean space around you.
If my son made a mess on the floor of a restaurant I’d be cleaning it up, it being a plane makes no difference.
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Post by vpohlman on Apr 17, 2023 20:22:53 GMT
Made his wife clean it up? While he sat there and video'd it? Why didn't he clean it up? He's the dad! He's the husband! Couldn't do that for your wife? He made her do it as much as the flight attendant did! They're his kids, too! Lazy Bum.
ETA: ok, maybe he wasn't there. But I agree, she needed to at least try to pick some of it up! The big pieces at least! Or better yet, have the kids do it, they're right there, are big enough to pick the big pieces up off the floor and put them in a trash bag! Still think she needs to be somewhat responsible!
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Post by Gravity on Apr 17, 2023 20:23:24 GMT
The mother is only 22 weeks pregnant and the wife of a Major League Baseball player. Bless her helpless little heart having to fly with her two children and being expected to clean up after them.
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Post by epeanymous on Apr 17, 2023 20:24:09 GMT
Made his wife clean it up? While he sat there and video'd it? Why didn't he clean it up? He's the dad! He's the husband! Couldn't do that for your wife? He made her do it as much as the flight attendant did! They're his kids, too! Lazy Bum. Wait, he was on the plane? If he's so concerned about his pregnant wife, I have a solution!
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Post by workingclassdog on Apr 17, 2023 20:27:17 GMT
Rules for our family, we make the mess, we clean it up. There are no if's, and's or but's. We don't leave food on the floor, table or seats. We put mostly everything back like salt/pepper, condiments. Depending on restaurant we make sure we either stack so waitress can pick up in one swoop or we leave our wrappers and such on our plates in front of us. I would be so embarrassed to leave a popcorn mess on the plane. Why can't the five year old pick it up? She is old enough. She can help mamma if mamma can't reach it.
I took it as the dad wasn't with them.
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Post by katlady on Apr 17, 2023 20:28:14 GMT
Made his wife clean it up? While he sat there and video'd it? Why didn't he clean it up? He's the dad! He's the husband! Couldn't do that for your wife? He made her do it as much as the flight attendant did! They're his kids, too! Lazy Bum. I don’t know if he was on the plane or not. I would go with he was not there because it is baseball season so he would be with the team somewhere ion a Sunday.
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Post by Bobomommy on Apr 17, 2023 20:39:19 GMT
I voted that the mom should clean up. I teach and it amazes me how many 7-8 year olds will drop things on the floor, look down at the mess, and just leave it there.
My parents taught me to clean up after myself. I taught it to my children and they are teaching it to the grandchildren. It’s simply courtesy and showing respect for others.
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Post by milocat on Apr 17, 2023 20:42:45 GMT
In this situation, the airline handed out popcorn, the flight attendant should have cleaned it up. Typically I'd say the parent should and even if she is 22 weeks pregnant with 2 toddlers, that's her choice. I'm sure they "made" her clean it up, many are drunk with power now. If you don't agree with them you can get banned.
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Post by Country Ham on Apr 17, 2023 20:45:22 GMT
Reminds me of church pews. How many leave their candy wrappers, sucker sticks, sticker backs etc for someone else to pick up.
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Post by smartypants71 on Apr 17, 2023 20:45:40 GMT
I was ready to side 100% with the airline until I read this part of the story: " Bass shared some additional context in further tweets, where he noted that "United provided the popcorn, not my wife." Others got on board with him, and agreed that it should be the airline's responsibility to clean the mess up. "If they’re going to supply popcorn on the airplane, be ready for messes to clean up," one person wrote." Why on earth would they offer popcorn on a plane? Have they never seen a movie theatre at the end of the movie? I always tried my best to leave things decent when out with my kids and I notice my kids do the same with theirs, pregnant or not, but I would never have given them something like popcorn at that age since I knew full well what the result would be. I am going to have to say in this case, I actually am siding with the mom a little. She's the parent though. I simple "no thank you" would suffice. Maybe I'm just biased after years of waiting on tables of parents of small children who left loads of saltines on the floor that I had to clean up. I didn't know "making" the parents clean up was an option! LOL
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Post by Darcy Collins on Apr 17, 2023 20:47:36 GMT
No problem in theory (and I think most of us do try to clean up in that situation, although it can be logistically difficult). I will say that the only thing I wondered about is that I've never seen a flight attendant do this, and I've seen adults make some pretty horrifying messes on planes. Doesn't mean it never happens, but the hostility to little kids flying can be high enough that I wonder. I flew a ton with mine (18 months apart) and don't disagree that hostility can be high - especially in the good old days when upgrades were plentiful and we'd end up in first class. But this story is just ridiculous. The only reason she cleaned it up is when it was pointed out to her that her kid had made a giant mess she was embarrassed so cleaned up - as I said it's not like the flight attendant was going to chuck her off the plane. So why then post on social media about it - it's just a poor look. I am EXTREMELY compassionate to those flying with kids - I've even offered a few frazzled moms a break (and I am NOT that person) when it's clear their anxiety is just making the baby more upset. Been there done that - crying babies and fussy toddlers are at the very bottom of my list of flying annoyances.
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Post by paget on Apr 17, 2023 20:49:43 GMT
I’d like to know what would the flight attendant would have said/done if an adult had made a mess with a snack and didn’t pick it up. also, I’ve seen cleaning crews board to do a quick clean up after each flight - why wasn’t that going to be sufficient?
I guess it really depends on a lot of factors for me. The space on the floor there is not that easily accessible- could be quite hard to clean up little bits and much easier for the crew to just use a little vacuum. I am someone that always cleaned up after my kids (or had them clean) if possible but I’m siding with mom here unless there’s part of the story missing like mom just let the kids have a popcorn throwing fight or something.
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Post by MDscrapaholic on Apr 17, 2023 20:49:50 GMT
The fact that he made a tweet about it instead of contacting the airline directly to complain - he's looking for attention. That's the way to "handle" things nowadays. Embarrass the company so they have to respond in public and everyone has to know about it/talk about it. We don't know the flight attendant's side of the story.
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Post by leeny on Apr 17, 2023 20:49:57 GMT
Makes me wonder if he is calling this out publicly because he is a privileged sports figure? When my kids/grandkids made a mess in public they helped me clean it up. No questions asked.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Apr 17, 2023 20:50:04 GMT
In this situation, the airline handed out popcorn, the flight attendant should have cleaned it up. Typically I'd say the parent should and even if she is 22 weeks pregnant with 2 toddlers, that's her choice. I'm sure they "made" her clean it up, many are drunk with power now. If you don't agree with them you can get banned. Please cite any source of an airline banning a passenger for messiness - even their own let alone their children's. Drunk with power? I mean seriously we're FINALLY allowing belligerent, drunk passengers who assault people to be banned. Passengers are the one'\s who've lost their damn minds.
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Post by busy on Apr 17, 2023 20:59:15 GMT
Why on earth would they offer popcorn on a plane? Have they never seen a movie theatre at the end of the movie? Because it's not very allergenic - they don't hand out nuts on flights anymore. And it's cheap, light, and most people like it. I think it's a totally reasonable airplane snack. That said, I've NEVER seen a flight attendant give kids a snack without the parent's consent, so they idea that it's the airline's fault because they handed it out is ludicrous to me. The mom could have declined. As far as the OP, generally speaking, I think people should clean up after their children in public places. Doesn't have to be immaculate but shouldn't be a disaster left for someone else to clean up. But I've also never seen a flight attendant tell anyone to clean up after themselves and I've seen people leave some messy messes. So... something about all of this doesn't sit quite right with me.
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Post by scrappinmama on Apr 17, 2023 20:59:47 GMT
"made" - the poster lost me there. The flight attendant might have been a royal asshole to his wife, but no one "made" her do anything - with the exception of a handful of things punishable by federal law, a flight attendant has exactly zero power. She/he's not going to open the emergency exit and chuck her off the plane for a popcorn mess. This was the first thing that popped in my mind. A lot of people don't even consider it a choking hazard for toddlers, but it is.
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Post by lisae on Apr 17, 2023 21:16:16 GMT
Did they provide the mom with a hand vaccuum? The airline provided the popcorn. Popcorn is going to get messy. No, the mom should not be required to clean it up.
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Post by Basket1lady on Apr 17, 2023 21:34:51 GMT
I was on the side of United until I saw that it was provided by the airline. Like someone said above--have they never seen a movie theater? There's a reason why my dog loves movie night and it's not because of extra snuggles.
I'd bet money that there was a much larger mess than the one pictured. But you are in a limited space without a broom, dust pan, vacuum or even a trash bag; that makes clean up rather difficult. I would have picked up the larger pieces, but would fully expect that the ground crew would make a pass through with a vacuum between flights.
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Post by auntkelly on Apr 17, 2023 21:35:43 GMT
Before I passed judgment, I'd want to hear the flight attendant's version of the story. I'd also want to hear what the passenger's who witnessed the incident had to say about it.
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Post by cecilia on Apr 17, 2023 21:39:10 GMT
Makes me wonder if he is calling this out publicly because he is a privileged sports figure? When my kids/grandkids made a mess in public they helped me clean it up. No questions asked. He's been in the majors since 2011. Saw him pitch in May 2011. I adored him up to this point. While I think he or his wife should have cleaned up the popcorn, I think the airline should have given them a hand held vacuum to clean it up with. No one I know carries one with them everywhere.
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Post by lucyg on Apr 17, 2023 21:44:16 GMT
There’s no way to completely clean up popcorn mess without a broom or vacuum cleaner. All kinds of little bits go flying around. So while it would be conscientious of the mom to at least make an effort to clean up after her kids, it’s still the airlines’ responsibility to make sure the area looks habitable for the next flight.
If the circumstances are correct as described, I don’t believe airline personnel should be giving passengers orders to clean up after themselves.
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Post by refugeepea on Apr 17, 2023 21:46:10 GMT
I understand that every pregnant person is different, but at 22 weeks I don't think it would be hard to bend down and pick things up.
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Post by Lexica on Apr 17, 2023 22:23:56 GMT
As a parent, I would not have allowed my small child to have the popcorn in the first place. The mom should have said no thank you. Then there would be no choking and no mess.
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