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Post by sunshine on Apr 19, 2023 9:54:53 GMT
I wonder why Dominion settled? They didn’t have to, it was their case.
I’m happy to see some accountability. Between this case, and cases against other media outlets in recent years, maybe outlets will think long and hard, and do some real fact checking, before putting stuff out there.
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Post by littlemama on Apr 19, 2023 12:03:10 GMT
According to my in-laws, the settlement means that now no one will listen about the corrupt voting machines.
There is no getting through to these people
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 19, 2023 12:15:01 GMT
I wonder why Dominion settled? They didn’t have to, it was their case. I’m happy to see some accountability. Between this case, and cases against other media outlets in recent years, maybe outlets will think long and hard, and do some real fact checking, before putting stuff out there. This wasn’t about fact checking. It was about outright lying.
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Post by sunshine on Apr 19, 2023 12:39:21 GMT
I wonder why Dominion settled? They didn’t have to, it was their case. I’m happy to see some accountability. Between this case, and cases against other media outlets in recent years, maybe outlets will think long and hard, and do some real fact checking, before putting stuff out there. This wasn’t about fact checking. It was about outright lying. I didn’t say it wasn’t.
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 19, 2023 13:47:14 GMT
I wonder why Dominion settled? They didn’t have to, it was their case. I’m happy to see some accountability. Between this case, and cases against other media outlets in recent years, maybe outlets will think long and hard, and do some real fact checking, before putting stuff out there. Fox's lying about the election was unprecedented and not remotely equivalent to falsehoods from CNN or MSNBC about a student protestor. Or Trump suing CNN for using the term big lie and defamation which is just ridiculous. Devin Nunes tried to sue MSNBC but the suit was dismissed and also ridiculous. OAN filed a crazy suit against Rachel Maddow and MSNBC and lost 2 appeals. Aside from that incident and frivolous suits from Trump and others, what other lawsuits have there been against mainstream media? Your statement sounds like a false equivalency or false comparison.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 19, 2023 14:01:32 GMT
FOX is already at it again.. This morning's statement! Fox News on Tuesday agreed to a massive $780 million settlement with Dominion Voting Systems -- and now the network is acting like absolutely nothing has changed. Axios media reporter Sara Fischer on Wednesday reported that Fox News sent out a fresh statement about its ongoing litigation with electronic voting systems company Smartmatic that shows the network relying on the same tactics it used to try to defuse the Dominion litigation. "Remarkable statement from Fox to me just now in response to Smartmatic’s lawyers saying they are ready to pick up where Dominion left off," Fischer commented on Twitter before pasting the entire statement. "There is nothing more newsworthy than covering the president of the United States and his lawyers making allegations of voter fraud," Fox said in a preview of its defense against Smartmatic's allegations that it defamed them with segments suggesting they stole the 2020 election from former President Donald Trump. "Freedom of the press is foundational to our democracy and must be protected, in addition to the damages claims being outrageous, unsupported, and not rooted in sound financial analysis."This is the exact same defense that Fox News used in the leadup to its defamation trial with Dominion where it eventually agreed to pay the company several times its net worth and acknowledged that it had reported false claims about the firm. Smartmatic is suing Fox News for even more money than the $1.6 billion that Dominion originally sought and its lawyers have vowed to bring accountability to the network. www.rawstory.com/fox-news-dominion-settlement-2659879996/
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 19, 2023 14:04:08 GMT
This wasn’t about fact checking. It was about outright lying. I didn’t say it wasn’t. Uh, that is exactly what your post said.
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Post by sabrinae on Apr 19, 2023 14:34:43 GMT
I wonder why Dominion settled? They didn’t have to, it was their case. I’m happy to see some accountability. Between this case, and cases against other media outlets in recent years, maybe outlets will think long and hard, and do some real fact checking, before putting stuff out there. They settled because juries are impossible to predict or read - even when you have a solid case. 800+ million without having to deal with appeals and additional court and lawyer fees. This is the guaranteed good outcome for Dominion. The payout along with the acknowledgment that FOX did disseminate lies on air is a huge win in this sort of defamation lawsuit. Legally, the settlement is a big win for Dominion. Though I’m in th le camp personally that I would have liked to see a trial because of the public interest though I don’t think it would make any difference to the people who still watch Fox News.
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Post by sunshine on Apr 19, 2023 14:47:54 GMT
Uh, that is exactly what your post said. Point out exactly where I said that.
I said I was happy to see accountability. I said between this case, and other recent cases, maybe outlets will think long and hard, and do some real fact checking. I used commas, the word and twice. I never said this case wasn't about lying.
My post was short. You should be able to point it out to me.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Apr 19, 2023 14:54:41 GMT
fox did admit they lied.. told false facts. how widely that will hit the audience is unknown. Zero percent of their audience will accept it. They will make up story to fit their beliefs. They are brainwashed.
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Post by femalebusiness on Apr 19, 2023 15:44:57 GMT
I wonder why Dominion settled? They didn’t have to, it was their case. I’m happy to see some accountability. Between this case, and cases against other media outlets in recent years, maybe outlets will think long and hard, and do some real fact checking, before putting stuff out there. Why would you care? You must be loving that Fox didn’t get more than a hand slap. Considering your posting history on this board you are playing a vague game of pretending to acknowledge the outright lies by dragging in “other media outlets” and calling it a lack of fact checking. This is not about “other media outlets” it is about the liars at Fox. You have no credibility. Any person interested in facts would be outraged to have been such a fool as to believe their shit.
I am quite certain you were back worshiping at the alter of Fox first thing this morning. If that were not true you would be calling out the lies and turning that crap off. You are not. You are obviously still sucking it up.
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Post by Just T on Apr 19, 2023 15:57:29 GMT
Uh, that is exactly what your post said. Point out exactly where I said that.
I said I was happy to see accountability. I said between this case, and other recent cases, maybe outlets will think long and hard, and do some real fact checking. I used commas, the word and twice. I never said this case wasn't about lying.
My post was short. You should be able to point it out to me.
You may have never said this case wasn't about lying, but you sure as heck gave a weak admonishment. And of course, you had to drag other news outlets into this when what Fox did is so far beyond CNN not fact checking something. Fox News and all their entertainers not only lied, but they discussed it with each other and said they KNEW it was all a lie, but they wanted to keep Trump lovers happy. They deserve way worse than a multi-million dollar settlement. They singlehandedly, well, along with Trump himself, are responsible for our government nearly being overthrown because of their dangerous lies. Not to mention nearly destroyed a company because of their lies. But you just keep on with your "both sides do it" argument. It's bullshit. Can you name one thing that another news station has done that even comes close to comparing to what Fox did?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 19, 2023 16:02:05 GMT
Dominion still has cases against OAN, Newsmax, Giuliani, Powell, Lindell, and the list continues...
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Post by dizzycheermom on Apr 19, 2023 16:07:20 GMT
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Post by lizacreates on Apr 19, 2023 16:08:58 GMT
In general I agree, but if FOX were required to make statements regularly admitting that they knew they were spouting lies, each and everyone of them, the message would change some of their listeners. A while back, thinking CNN, maybe not.. paid people to watch information and they did comprehend the misinformation they had heard and made changes ... Sorry I am forgetting the details. Maybe, maybe not. I really doubt it. Their ratings haven’t suffered all throughout, even as the daily revelations they were lying were being reported everywhere. Of course it’s all lunacy. Any reasonable person who’s not stoned knows it. Even the Fox people knew it was nuts as revealed in their emails and texts. Ingraham, Hannity, Carlson, etc were privately deriding Powell and the rest of the crackpots, but they egged them on because their executives wanted them to and their viewers loved it as their ratings have proven. It’s not about the truth. It’s about validation. Fox viewers, generally speaking, are not what one might describe as discerning. Fox is an alternate universe where its viewers are ensconced in a cocoon where their worship of Trump is continuously reinforced and validated regardless of merit. THAT is why they love it.
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Post by sunshine on Apr 19, 2023 16:15:11 GMT
Point out exactly where I said that.
I said I was happy to see accountability. I said between this case, and other recent cases, maybe outlets will think long and hard, and do some real fact checking. I used commas, the word and twice. I never said this case wasn't about lying.
My post was short. You should be able to point it out to me.
You may have never said this case wasn't about lying, but you sure as heck gave a weak admonishment. And of course, you had to drag other news outlets into this when what Fox did is so far beyond CNN not fact checking something. Fox News and all their entertainers not only lied, but they discussed it with each other and said they KNEW it was all a lie, but they wanted to keep Trump lovers happy. They deserve way worse than a multi-million dollar settlement. They singlehandedly, well, along with Trump himself, are responsible for our government nearly being overthrown because of their dangerous lies. Not to mention nearly destroyed a company because of their lies. But you just keep on with your "both sides do it" argument. It's bullshit. Can you name one thing that another news station has done that even comes close to comparing to what Fox did? JFC.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 19, 2023 17:02:36 GMT
Uh, that is exactly what your post said. Point out exactly where I said that.
I said I was happy to see accountability. I said between this case, and other recent cases, maybe outlets will think long and hard, and do some real fact checking. I used commas, the word and twice. I never said this case wasn't about lying.
My post was short. You should be able to point it out to me.
Your post was indeed short, so you should be able to see that you said you hoped outlets would do some fact checking. You said nothing about lying. They are two different things. Perhaps you also have a problem with lying and meant to say that, but as it is stated it sounds like you are trying to "both sides" this issue and minimize what Fox did, and continues to do.
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 19, 2023 20:24:24 GMT
I wonder why Dominion settled? They didn’t have to, it was their case. I’m happy to see some accountability. Between this case, and cases against other media outlets in recent years, maybe outlets will think long and hard, and do some real fact checking, before putting stuff out there. More reasons why your comparison is false www.nytimes.com/2023/04/19/opinion/editorials/fox-news-settlement.htmlPeople inclined to believe that all news organizations deliberately lie to build their audience may not consider Fox’s actions to be the least bit aberrant. But if that were true, there would be a lot more trials like the one that almost happened in this case. In fact, there have been very few media trials in recent years — usually in the single digits each year, according to one study — compared with the thousands of civil trials each year. Most defamation cases are dismissed before they ever get near a trial, in part because the plaintiff could not come close to proving a news organization met the “actual malice” standard set out in the landmark New York Times v. Sullivan case of 1964, but also often because the plaintiff couldn’t even convince the judge that the defamatory material was false. News organizations also win dismissals by persuading judges that the material at issue was a legitimate opinion or was a “fair report” of allegations made at a public meeting or trial.
Fox couldn’t persuade a judge of any of those defenses. In fact, the judge in this case, Eric Davis, ruled in March that “it is CRYSTAL clear that none of the statements relating to Dominion about the 2020 election are true” — a decision that was a huge setback for Fox and may have led to its eagerness to settle the case.
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Post by Layce on Apr 19, 2023 21:09:51 GMT
They should’ve required a cease and desist with that settlement. Sounds like Fox is still spinning their bullshit 🤦♀️
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Post by Scrapper100 on Apr 19, 2023 22:18:39 GMT
I understand why they settled as this would have been tied up in appeals for years but I still wish that Fox would have to come clean that they lied and exactly what they lied about. It’s unlikely that their viewers will ever hear about it being made up lies since they won’t believe news from other sources. I guess we will all be waiting to see how the future cases turn out.
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Post by buddysmom on Apr 20, 2023 1:31:49 GMT
Dominion should have made Hannity and Carlson sweat it out testifying first before they agreed to settle. Plus they should have made those guys say on their shows, yeah we lied, etc. ETA-And the mediator was contacted on Sunday while on vacation to mediate this and got it settled on Tuesday. www.cnn.com/2023/04/19/media/fox-dominion-how-it-happened/index.html
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Post by AussieMeg on Apr 20, 2023 2:26:53 GMT
Zero percent of their audience will accept it. They will make up story to fit their beliefs. They are brainwashed. Yep, exactly. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them are saying that Dominion settled because they knew there was no case to answer for Faux News, and they (Dominion) couldn't win. Nothing to see here, move along......
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Post by Scrapper100 on Apr 20, 2023 2:35:54 GMT
Zero percent of their audience will accept it. They will make up story to fit their beliefs. They are brainwashed. Yep, exactly. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them are saying that Dominion settled because they knew there was no case to answer for Faux News, and they (Dominion) couldn't win. Nothing to see here, move along...... Of course that is how it will be spun. Obviously that’s why they settled 🤦♀️. It’s no big deal - 787.5 million just pocket change and yet since they are still lying it didn’t make any difference. I hope they are forced at sone point to come clean on air over and over again during prime time.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 20, 2023 4:47:34 GMT
FOX could save millions on taxes with the major loss... Fox News plans to write off its massive $787.5 million settlement with Dominion Voting Systems, in a move that figures to save the right-wing network around $213 million in taxes, The Daily Beast Reports. Companies are allowed under federal law to write off expenses that are considered to be associated with the cost of doing business. The massive deal reached this week in the eleventh-hour before the trial could qualify, according to reports. “The massive Fox News defamation settlement with Dominion Voting Systems may actually be a blessing in disguise for the right-wing network,” The Daily Beast’s Brett Bachman writes. Lever News reports that a Fox Corp. spokesperson has confirmed the company’s plans to write off the settlement but declined to specify how much the company plans to deduct, the report said. www.rawstory.com/fox-news-tax/
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 20, 2023 10:51:11 GMT
New Lincoln Project video with FOX quotes..
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 21, 2023 1:24:16 GMT
Smartmatic is holding out for $$$$ and apologies!!!! CNN — A top lawyer for Smartmatic, the voting technology company whose defamation lawsuit against Fox News is still pending, said Thursday that he won’t accept any settlement smaller than the $787 million Fox agreed to pay Dominion, and that his client needs a “full retraction” from the right-wing network disavowing the lies it spread about the 2020 presidential election. “They need to get an apology. They need to get a full retraction,” Smartmatic lawyer Erik Connolly told CNN’s Jake Tapper on “The Lead.”That is something Dominion Voting Systems wasn’t able to extract from Fox as part of its historic $787 million settlement, which was clinched Tuesday, as the trial was on the brink of opening statements. (But in a press release, Fox publicly “acknowledged” that the judge in that case had concluded that all 20 on-air statements that Dominion sued over were false.) www.cnn.com/2023/04/20/media/smartmatic-fox-news-retraction/index.html
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 21, 2023 16:55:30 GMT
All the more reason the settlement was ok. Too bad democrats won't push it and MAGA won't understand it! No one took FOX to the cleaners. All they had to do is say no and go to trial. Dominion had the goods!! Many far-right MAGA Republicans have been furious over the outcome of Dominion Voting Systems' $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit against Fox News, which found the plaintiff and the defendant reaching a settlement on Tuesday, April 18 and Fox News agreeing to pay Dominion $787.5 million. As they see it, Fox News was unfairly taken to the cleaners and shouldn't have to pay such a huge amount.But Never Trump conservative George Will has a very different viewpoint. In his April 20 column for the Washington Post, the veteran columnist, now 81, argues that the settlement was "good for both parties and for the law." The lawsuit, Will stresses, showed that Fox News behaved atrociously after the 2020 presidential election — and also showed how little the cable news outlet thinks of its own audience.www.rawstory.com/this-prominent-conservative-just-offers-some-surprising-remarks-about-the-bombshell-fox-news-settlement/
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