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Post by merry27 on May 21, 2023 22:32:17 GMT
My daughter is finishing up her sophomore year of high school. Her school is terrible and we need to get her out of there. It’s ranked really low, is understaffed and she is not getting a good education. I would like to get her into a high school in the town next to us that we aren’t zoned for. We own 2 businesses in that area and pay 8 times the amount of property taxes than we do for our residence in this town. I was wondering how wrong it would be to use our business address to get her in? I know this is wrong but I am desperate. I know lots of people do this but I am a rule follower. I am frustrated with our only choice for a high school. What would you do?
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Post by gina on May 21, 2023 22:36:10 GMT
What is the penalty if "caught?" Here, it's $10,000 per school year. I know people who do it. I couldn't live with the constant panic and fear of them catching me (and yes, I have 100% witnessed them watching if they suspect a kid doesn't live in said residence, interviewing parents, etc. because someone close to me used her mom's address until she was caught, they let her slide until the end of the school year, then she started renting in the district so it would all be on the up & up.)
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Post by hop2 on May 21, 2023 22:58:08 GMT
What is the penalty if "caught?" Here, it's $10,000 per school year. I know people who do it. I couldn't live with the constant panic and fear of them catching me (and yes, I have 100% witnessed them watching if they suspect a kid doesn't live in said residence, interviewing parents, etc. because someone close to me used her mom's address until she was caught, they let her slide until the end of the school year, then she started renting in the district so it would all be on the up & up.) Way more than that here
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Post by hop2 on May 21, 2023 23:02:42 GMT
My daughter is finishing up her sophomore year of high school. Her school is terrible and we need to get her out of there. It’s ranked really low, is understaffed and she is not getting a good education. I would like to get her into a high school in the town next to us that we aren’t zoned for. We own 2 businesses in that area and pay 8 times the amount of property taxes than we do for our residence in this town. I was wondering how wrong it would be to use our business address to get her in? I know this is wrong but I am desperate. I know lots of people do this but I am a rule follower. I am frustrated with our only choice for a high school. What would you do? Do you have any school choice programs in your area? Where my kids grew up a child could apply to a different public school thru a school choice program in our county. One school was for math & science one was for art one was for performing arts one was for robotics. Like not every school in the county could have the facilities to specialize in every area, so children with interest in that specialty can apply. If approved then the town you’re from ‘pays’ what ever portion isn’t from the state or county. You only have to provide transportation. Just check if maybe there is a legal way to do it.
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Post by Darcy Collins on May 21, 2023 23:03:15 GMT
I know people do it - I just couldn't - especially as I could not ask my daughter to lie about where she lived, I just don't think it's fair to the kids. Can you buy a small house/condo to live in for the final 2 years? School district has pretty much driven all of our real estate purchases - even when we ended up sending them to private school for a short time.
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Post by luckyjune on May 21, 2023 23:12:30 GMT
Districts around here do variances, where they'll accept enrollment for kids not wanting to go to neighborhood schools and for kids from outside the district as well. In our state, the money follows the kid, so the state per-pupil funds to go the attending districts. Maybe check and see if that is a possibility? My former district took a lot of variances. I asked for one for my youngest son so he could come to my middle school (not his neighborhood school) and then on to the high school that was a better fit for him. There were no costs, and no financial penalty if a family got "caught" using another address, just immediate removal.
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Post by scrapmaven on May 21, 2023 23:14:53 GMT
Ask for the transfer and do it legally. If it doesn't happen what about having her do online classes from an accredited and college preparatory school?
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Post by moodyblue on May 21, 2023 23:19:52 GMT
I would think using a business address rather than a residential one would increase your chances of being caught more quickly. It would be pretty easy to verify that it’s a business, unless there is some kind of apartment above the business.
That’s aside from the issues of lying, asking your kid to lie, and the possible consequences.
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Post by mom on May 21, 2023 23:21:25 GMT
Please do not do this. I have seen it come back and BITE the student when it comes to UIL eligibility and seen where scholarships and awards are taken away. I completely understand why you want to do it, but the risks are too great.
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Post by merry27 on May 21, 2023 23:35:44 GMT
Thank you for the honest replies. I will be going with my gut and not doing this. We have school choice here but there has to be room at the school and they are all currently over crowded. It’s a large high school (2k + kids). It’s just frustrating. I actually pulled her out of her current school and she did the last quarter online.
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Post by Merge on May 21, 2023 23:45:08 GMT
It’s common here for people to rent an inexpensive apartment zoned to the school they want. At least that way you’re paying something toward the property taxes for that district.
We actually used a fake address (it was a friend’s house) for my oldest dd’s first two years of school until we could afford to move into the district. I don’t excuse it - it wasn’t right - but that’s what we did. We did move in after that and have been paying property taxes in this district ever since.
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Post by merry27 on May 21, 2023 23:47:47 GMT
The only reason I was considering it was because we pay a ton of property taxes in that county through our business. I wish there was a way to have that count. We have had both businesses for over 20 years.
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Post by lizacreates on May 22, 2023 0:09:07 GMT
I didn’t think you could do it, and even if you can, it’s bound to be discovered. When my son was still in school, I knew for a fact that districts here had staff that regularly enforced residency rules. They weren’t content with just proof from parents; they go as far as checking public records and databases to verify. I’ve heard of instances where families were surveilled if suspected of residency fraud.
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Post by Restless Spirit on May 22, 2023 1:02:57 GMT
Do you have any parochial schools in your area? Are they ranked better than her current school?
My DD did not want to send her son to the schools in the district they live in. Pre-school through 5th grade he went to private school until it got too expensive ($17,000 per year.) They transferred him to a Catholic middle school in 6th grade. They a *not* Catholic. In fact, they have no religious affiliation at all. He is now going to a Catholic High School and is just finishing his sophomore year. He has never had any trouble fitting in. He has lots of friends and there are other students that are not Catholic also attending his school. He plays junior varsity baseball and he has been dressing for the varsity team. He really likes his school and his friends. Being a non-Catholic has never been an issue for him.
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Post by snyder on May 22, 2023 1:07:56 GMT
Thank you for the honest replies. I will be going with my gut and not doing this. We have school choice here but there has to be room at the school and they are all currently over crowded. It’s a large high school (2k + kids). It’s just frustrating. I actually pulled her out of her current school and she did the last quarter online. We did a choice application for my grandson knowing it was pretty slim because of the over crowding and popularity, but we were delightfully surprised he was accepted. He was suppose to go to a high school 5 miles away, where we lived 2.5 miles from the other high school. Silly boundaries.
Do it now, so you're early to the game before fall session starts.
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Post by librarylady on May 22, 2023 1:40:00 GMT
If the district will accept your daughter, you might consider transferring her there, but paying tuition. Some districts will do that with the understanding that if the school becomes crowded, your daughter is bumped out by a student who lives within the district.
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Post by kluski on May 22, 2023 2:07:56 GMT
Can you speak with the administration? Tell them you want her to take the bus to your business address because you’re not comfortable with her home alone from her current school?
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Post by katiekaty on May 22, 2023 2:19:58 GMT
You two businesses in the district that you want your daughter to go to school? Any way you could create a small apartment living area to use as the address needed for her to legally enroll? Her a one parent can stay over Monday through Thursday nights during the school week going home on Friday and returning on Monday. Nothing illegal abut that.
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Post by garcia5050 on May 22, 2023 3:22:11 GMT
I have never heard of a fine for this situation. Maybe it’s a Southern California thing, but I feel like it’s not that big a deal to go to a school outside your boundary lines, whether legally or not. Of my kids combined good friends, only 20% live in this city. I (legally) enrolled my kids to the high school outside our boundary lines. For me, it was a babysitter issue, and that reason was acceptable. It helps if the kid has good grades and low absences.
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Post by lucyg on May 22, 2023 3:41:13 GMT
It doesn’t seem worth it to me. Aside from the fact that you’d be lying to the district, and teaching your daughter to lie, too. abcnews.go.com/US/ohio-mom-jailed-sending-kids-school-district/story?id=12763654en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanya_McDowell(another mom sent to jail for falsifying residence) Have you talked to the school district you want to transfer to? In our district, if the parents are working within the area of the district, they may be entitled to send their kids to the district schools even though they live elsewhere. My son and grandson were living with me when he started kindergarten. No problem. His dad subsequently moved out, but my grandson stayed with me until recently (he’s about to graduate from middle school). The district was willing to work with us on keeping him in our schools until he was ready to move in with his dad in the next county.
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Post by myshelly on May 22, 2023 3:46:02 GMT
I have never heard of a fine for this situation. Maybe it’s a Southern California thing, but I feel like it’s not that big a deal to go to a school outside your boundary lines, whether legally or not. Of my kids combined good friends, only 20% live in this city. I (legally) enrolled my kids to the high school outside our boundary lines. For me, it was a babysitter issue, and that reason was acceptable. It helps if the kid has good grades and low absences. In MANY places in the US, it is a CRIME that you can literally go to jail for. This woman was sentenced to *five years* in prison for enrolling her child in the wrong district with a falsified address - abcnews.go.com/amp/US/ohio-mom-jailed-sending-kids-school-district/story?id=12763654
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Post by seaexplore on May 22, 2023 3:55:33 GMT
The only reason I was considering it was because we pay a ton of property taxes in that county through our business. I wish there was a way to have that count. We have had both businesses for over 20 years. I’d try for a transfer based on where you work. Here they will usually grant it. good luck!
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Post by caangel on May 22, 2023 5:12:52 GMT
Do it now, so you're early to the game before fall session starts. [/div][/quote] Our district school choice window is Jan/Feb. For my area you'd already ready be too late.
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Post by FuzzyMutt on May 22, 2023 5:15:45 GMT
Thank you for the honest replies. I will be going with my gut and not doing this. We have school choice here but there has to be room at the school and they are all currently over crowded. It’s a large high school (2k + kids). It’s just frustrating. I actually pulled her out of her current school and she did the last quarter online. I really think this is the best choice. When my son was in 5th grade, we moved within the county, about 4 miles away for March 1st. It put him at a different elementary school. 6th grade started middle school. I drove him to school before, and I would continue to drive him to school after he moved to his middle school. It was in the same county. I saw no harm in letting him stay at his school til the end of the year. I really didn't think I was doing anything "wrong." Well. A couple weeks in, somehow his teacher found out we moved (it never occurred to me that it mattered- and of course I wouldn't have encouraged him to lie...) and reported us. I ended up having to show the date my in-district lease expired, and the date I took possession of our new house. I then had to pay "tuition" for every damn day that my kid stayed at the the school he'd been in. IN THE SAME COUNTY! It was public school. I had NO idea! Please don't do it. It sure as hell wasn't cheap.
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Post by FuzzyMutt on May 22, 2023 5:17:17 GMT
The only reason I was considering it was because we pay a ton of property taxes in that county through our business. I wish there was a way to have that count. We have had both businesses for over 20 years. Are you able to make an "apartment" within one of the businesses?
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Post by caangel on May 22, 2023 16:58:30 GMT
Thank you for the honest replies. I will be going with my gut and not doing this. We have school choice here but there has to be room at the school and they are all currently over crowded. It’s a large high school (2k + kids). It’s just frustrating. I actually pulled her out of her current school and she did the last quarter online. I really think this is the best choice. When my son was in 5th grade, we moved within the county, about 4 miles away for March 1st. It put him at a different elementary school. 6th grade started middle school. I drove him to school before, and I would continue to drive him to school after he moved to his middle school. It was in the same county. I saw no harm in letting him stay at his school til the end of the year. I really didn't think I was doing anything "wrong." Well. A couple weeks in, somehow his teacher found out we moved (it never occurred to me that it mattered- and of course I wouldn't have encouraged him to lie...) and reported us. I ended up having to show the date my in-district lease expired, and the date I took possession of our new house. I then had to pay "tuition" for every damn day that my kid stayed at the the school he'd been in. IN THE SAME COUNTY! It was public school. I had NO idea! Please don't do it. It sure as hell wasn't cheap. Where I live school funds go to school districts and that's what matters. You can't just switch school districts. We have probably 40ish school districts in my county.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 22, 2023 17:32:36 GMT
Do you have any parochial schools in your area? Are they ranked better than her current school? My DD did not want to send her son to the schools in the district they live in. Pre-school through 5th grade he went to private school until it got too expensive ($17,000 per year.) They transferred him to a Catholic middle school in 6th grade. They a *not* Catholic. In fact, they have no religious affiliation at all. He is now going to a Catholic High School and is just finishing his sophomore year. He has never had any trouble fitting in. He has lots of friends and there are other students that are not Catholic also attending his school. He plays junior varsity baseball and he has been dressing for the varsity team. He really likes his school and his friends. Being a non-Catholic has never been an issue for him. Have you talked with anyone at that school about the situation? They are likely to have some open spots for open enrollment each year, and given that you have businesses in the town that might help secure you a spot. I don’t think it could hurt. But I would talk to them asap.
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Post by moodyblue on May 22, 2023 21:18:17 GMT
Thank you for the honest replies. I will be going with my gut and not doing this. We have school choice here but there has to be room at the school and they are all currently over crowded. It’s a large high school (2k + kids). It’s just frustrating. I actually pulled her out of her current school and she did the last quarter online. I really think this is the best choice. When my son was in 5th grade, we moved within the county, about 4 miles away for March 1st. It put him at a different elementary school. 6th grade started middle school. I drove him to school before, and I would continue to drive him to school after he moved to his middle school. It was in the same county. I saw no harm in letting him stay at his school til the end of the year. I really didn't think I was doing anything "wrong." Well. A couple weeks in, somehow his teacher found out we moved (it never occurred to me that it mattered- and of course I wouldn't have encouraged him to lie...) and reported us. I ended up having to show the date my in-district lease expired, and the date I took possession of our new house. I then had to pay "tuition" for every damn day that my kid stayed at the the school he'd been in. IN THE SAME COUNTY! It was public school. I had NO idea! Please don't do it. It sure as hell wasn't cheap. In Illinois, a child is allowed to finish the school year in the same school even if they move during the year.
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Post by kate on May 22, 2023 21:42:34 GMT
It’s common here for people to rent an inexpensive apartment zoned to the school they want. This was my first thought. You can stay in it sometimes. Here, it's common for people to have multiple residences.
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Post by FuzzyMutt on May 23, 2023 2:04:32 GMT
I really think this is the best choice. When my son was in 5th grade, we moved within the county, about 4 miles away for March 1st. It put him at a different elementary school. 6th grade started middle school. I drove him to school before, and I would continue to drive him to school after he moved to his middle school. It was in the same county. I saw no harm in letting him stay at his school til the end of the year. I really didn't think I was doing anything "wrong." Well. A couple weeks in, somehow his teacher found out we moved (it never occurred to me that it mattered- and of course I wouldn't have encouraged him to lie...) and reported us. I ended up having to show the date my in-district lease expired, and the date I took possession of our new house. I then had to pay "tuition" for every damn day that my kid stayed at the the school he'd been in. IN THE SAME COUNTY! It was public school. I had NO idea! Please don't do it. It sure as hell wasn't cheap. Where I live school funds go to school districts and that's what matters. You can't just switch school districts. We have probably 40ish school districts in my county. I'm sorry, I mis-spoke. The district was county wide. The move was within the county. Ironically, I didn't pay official taxes at the rental (obviously it's factored into the rent- but since we are being exacting here...) and purchased the house when we moved, and began paying taxes to the exact same county that administers for either address. This was in relatively rural NC- There were 2 elementary schools and 2 middle schools and 2 high schools in the county. Same district.
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