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Post by maryland on Jun 15, 2023 0:08:34 GMT
We adopted a 3 yr. old male plott hound dog 3 months ago. It's going pretty well, but he is so bad about marking (peeing in the house). It is usually in the room where my visiting daughter and her cat stay or where the litterbox was kept. He did it today and the cat hasn't been here for a few weeks. I have cleaned it with the carpet cleaner and sprayed the enzyme cleaner (when he has done it in the past) but it doesn't seem to help. He wasn't neutered until he was brought to the humane society in January, so not sure if that has any thing to do with it.
I am hoping to adopt second dog (female) in the next few months but I worry that the marking would get worse. I want to try to solve this problem first.
We have never had this issue before with our past dogs, and it's frustrating. We had a trainer but we had to address more serious issues first and our trainer is taking some time off, so we have no one to help us at the moment. Any advice would be appreciated.
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Post by busy on Jun 15, 2023 0:22:36 GMT
First, have any medical issues been ruled out?
Second, do you know if he was reliably house trained previously?
Third, he's a scent hound. I've never had one, but my gut is that is the real issue here, combined with your home being the first place he's lived post-neutering. Marking can be a pretty common behavior in response to scents and your fella can smell *everything.* I'm afraid I have no advice because I don't have any experience with scent hounds, and though I'm not sure that's the underlying issue, I strongly suspect it's a big contributor.
I'd look for some online rescue groups for plott hounds or other scent hounds and ask members if they have any advice. I'd wager you're not the first to deal with this.
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Post by Basket1lady on Jun 15, 2023 0:27:47 GMT
I agree that he’s marking old spots. Is he marking rugs, carpet, or hard flooring? If you can, pour vinegar on the spot and leave it for at least 15 minutes. But know that vinegar is an acid and can etch a surface.
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Post by maryland on Jun 15, 2023 2:02:50 GMT
First, have any medical issues been ruled out? Second, do you know if he was reliably house trained previously? Third, he's a scent hound. I've never had one, but my gut is that is the real issue here, combined with your home being the first place he's lived post-neutering. Marking can be a pretty common behavior in response to scents and your fella can smell *everything.* I'm afraid I have no advice because I don't have any experience with scent hounds, and though I'm not sure that's the underlying issue, I strongly suspect it's a big contributor. I'd look for some online rescue groups for plott hounds or other scent hounds and ask members if they have any advice. I'd wager you're not the first to deal with this. Thank you for your response. We have taken him to the vet, but not to be checked for a uti as he can hold it all night. But I may just send them an email to ask. I am in a plott hound facebook group, so that's a great idea to ask them. I should have researched the breed before adopting him, but we were really limited in the dog we adopted, and he fit most of our criteria. We have only had 2 German Sheperds in the past so that's the only breed I am familiar with.
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Post by maryland on Jun 15, 2023 2:04:13 GMT
I agree that he’s marking old spots. Is he marking rugs, carpet, or hard flooring? If you can, pour vinegar on the spot and leave it for at least 15 minutes. But know that vinegar is an acid and can etch a surface. It's been just the carpets so far. I have sprayed an enzyme cleaner after using a carpet cleaner, but we bought a new enzyme cleaner today to try. We have to replace the rugs in our house (we have been needing to for years!) so maybe that will help.
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Post by scrapngranny on Jun 15, 2023 2:35:15 GMT
I had a boxer that did and basically your screwed. Brings more pets into the house is only make it worse. If he hasn’t been neutered, getting him neutered might help. My boxer had been neutered. He is marking is territory, any new scent will cause him to remark that spot.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Jun 15, 2023 2:48:04 GMT
In our experience, neutering has little to no effect on male dogs marking. First male dog was neutered when he was a puppy. Marked until the day he died at 17 yrs. Current male has never been neutered and at 11 yrs. is still marking and will be forever. It's a sore topic with me as DH knew I didn't want another male. It's been just the carpets so far. I have sprayed an enzyme cleaner after using a carpet cleaner, but we bought a new enzyme cleaner today to try. We have to replace the rugs in our house (we have been needing to for years!) so maybe that will help. Is it wall to wall carpeting? If so, then previous pet accidents/stains have seeped through to the carpet pad. You have a scent hound and he can smell it, even if you can't. No amount of enzyme, vinegar, carpet cleaners, etc will get it out. The only solution is to replace the carpet and pad, as well as paint Kilz over any spots/stains on the subfloor. BTDT with a male cat once. We have hardwood floors throughout the house so that makes it a bit easier. Area carpets are treated with stainguard and then sent out for cleaning once a year. You can shut off rooms that you don't want him in. Another option is to add pet gates so that he is corralled in a more pet friendly area, but can still see/hear you as you go about your day.
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Post by Basket1lady on Jun 15, 2023 5:38:34 GMT
I agree that he’s marking old spots. Is he marking rugs, carpet, or hard flooring? If you can, pour vinegar on the spot and leave it for at least 15 minutes. But know that vinegar is an acid and can etch a surface. It's been just the carpets so far. I have sprayed an enzyme cleaner after using a carpet cleaner, but we bought a new enzyme cleaner today to try. We have to replace the rugs in our house (we have been needing to for years!) so maybe that will help. Unless you are soaking the carpet, including the pad, down to the subfloor you won't get rid of the smell. When Emma was a puppy, she would only pee in the basement and she would pee even if she had just been outside. I did some asking around and found out that the previous people had kept their dogs down there when they were gone all day at work and the dogs would pee. At that point, the odors were deep into the concrete subfloor. I was vigilant about keeping an eye on Emma when we were downstairs and would scoop her up the second she even looked like she was squatting. She was probably about 6 months old before I would let her loose down there and she was never unsupervised. I fear that you have found an old pee spot in your house.
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Jun 15, 2023 11:28:04 GMT
I have to use a diaper (belly band) on my male. My female will use pee pads but my male will only use the pee pads for #2, he will readily mark the house all day long if I'm not home. My DH used to call it 'rage pee' as in he gets mad if we leave him at home. When I renovated, I took all the rugs out of the house and put down LVP, I will say removing the rugs helped but now I have trust issues so if I'm leaving the house for more than a quick errand, the diaper goes on. He hates it which I think has also cut down on the marking. When I'd find spots he marked, the diaper went on so the diaper is associated with the marking now.
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Post by anniebeth24 on Jun 15, 2023 13:14:11 GMT
Depending on your house layout, best bet might be to block off the places he's marking and not allow him access. We found some nice decorative folding gates at Home Goods.
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Post by maryland on Jun 15, 2023 13:26:53 GMT
This is really depressing. I don't know what to do about the dog. I thought we were past the marking, but our kids have cats, and they will only visit if they can bring their cats (2 of our kids have 1-2 cats and live out of town, so they have to bring cats and we love their cats!).
I may contact a few trainers and the humane society we got him from and see if they have any ideas to help us. I hadn't planned to get a male dog, but we are very limited in selection in our area and it's pretty much all pit bulls at the humane societies, and we couldn't use a breeder as my husband does not want a puppy. In this dog's bio it said he would love a dog or cat sibling. I was so excited as I wanted to rescue another dog (when a female of a particular breed) became available as well as adopt a female cat.
Maybe we will have to crate him when we can't supervise him.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Jun 15, 2023 13:30:15 GMT
Maybe we will have to crate him when we can't supervise him. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. Just be sure to talk with a trainer on how to do that properly with an older dog. You don't want them to view it as punishment, but for the crate to become their den/home. Done correctly, it can become a safe space for the dog to retreat to, even on their own.
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Post by busy on Jun 15, 2023 13:36:39 GMT
Please don’t think it’s irredeemable.
We had a Cairn terrier who had been a stud at a puppy mill and was recently rescued and neutered when we got him. EVERYTHING about living in a house was new to him and it was a challenge for a while. I would STRONGLY encourage crate training. (We couldn’t with him because of his past circumstances.) But he wore a belly band in house, we had him on a strict schedule, and we tethered him to whomever was home - much like training a puppy. With him, there was the extra challenge of having such short legs that he could lift a leg without any warning signs lol
But we got there and after a few months he was 100% reliable in the house. He was potty trained for actual elimination within days but marking took a lot longer to totally extinguish. BUT WE DID, and had him for 12 happy years. He came from extreme conditions and lived in them for six years, so I wouldn’t expect it to take as long in your situation.
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Post by maryland on Jun 15, 2023 14:58:08 GMT
I had a boxer that did and basically your screwed. Brings more pets into the house is only make it worse. If he hasn’t been neutered, getting him neutered might help. My boxer had been neutered. He is marking is territory, any new scent will cause him to remark that spot. That's really scary. He was neutered after Humane Investigations brought him to the shelter. That was in January. I think my husband and I need to make a decision about what to do if we can't stop the marking. That's just not something that we could deal with as we have to travel a lot and we can't have him ruining our house or our parents houses (we have to stay with them as they are out of town and we visit often). I hope that is not the case with us, but thanks for the warning. We do need new carpet throughout the house, but maybe we will get vinyl floor as it would be easier to clean up. I worry about the mess with hardwood or the grout with tile floor.
I am going to call a few new trainers to see if they could help us. I don't know anyone who has had this problem and I know so many that have dogs, so this isn't something I expected.
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Post by maryland on Jun 15, 2023 15:09:29 GMT
Please don’t think it’s irredeemable. We had a Cairn terrier who had been a stud at a puppy mill and was recently rescued and neutered when we got him. EVERYTHING about living in a house was new to him and it was a challenge for a while. I would STRONGLY encourage crate training. (We couldn’t with him because of his past circumstances.) But he wore a belly band in house, we had him on a strict schedule, and we tethered him to whomever was home - much like training a puppy. With him, there was the extra challenge of having such short legs that he could lift a leg without any warning signs lol But we got there and after a few months he was 100% reliable in the house. He was potty trained for actual elimination within days but marking took a lot longer to totally extinguish. BUT WE DID, and had him for 12 happy years. He came from extreme conditions and lived in them for six years, so I wouldn’t expect it to take as long in your situation. Thank you, this gives me hope! I was in tears all night and didn't sleep.
We don't know much about his past as he was brought in through Humane Investigations. But the humane society posts pictures of the adoptions. So this woman messaged me on facebook after she saw the picture of us with her dog. She said the dog was dumped on her street and the previous owner drove off. So she tried to take him in but he dog and her dogs didn't get along. So her MIL tried to take the dog but he was too much for her (she didn't say why but he was pretty crazy and hi energy the first few days we had him). So they took him to the humane society.
So hopefully it will work out with this dog. We are taking him to day care every week to get socialization and play time with other dogs. We went to three different day cares and he passed the evaluation with each. With our favorite day care, they told me it usually takes 3 evaluations before they "pass" and he passed on the first time. So we learned that his aggression on walks is leash aggression not dog aggression, as he plays so well with other dogs at daycare.
Thank you for giving me hope for this dog!
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Post by maryland on Jun 15, 2023 15:12:27 GMT
I have to use a diaper (belly band) on my male. My female will use pee pads but my male will only use the pee pads for #2, he will readily mark the house all day long if I'm not home. My DH used to call it 'rage pee' as in he gets mad if we leave him at home. When I renovated, I took all the rugs out of the house and put down LVP, I will say removing the rugs helped but now I have trust issues so if I'm leaving the house for more than a quick errand, the diaper goes on. He hates it which I think has also cut down on the marking. When I'd find spots he marked, the diaper went on so the diaper is associated with the marking now. I was joking that we may have to get diapers for him in the house. Our former dog, a large German Shepherd, had degenerative mylopathy so she was incontenint for 8 months. We had to express her bladder and bowels and have her in a diaper when we had to pick her up to move her or take her for a walk in her wheelchair. So we bought a lot of diapers!
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Post by beebee on Jun 15, 2023 15:23:21 GMT
We used the doggy diapers from Amazon for at least 3 years after our male dog hit an age where he did not have as much control (we did have him at the vet repeatedly for the peeing and other old dog issues so it was not an infection). He did not like them at first, but he got used to it and would stand still so we could put the diapers on him.
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Post by taylortroop on Jun 15, 2023 15:51:09 GMT
We have a 6 month old German Shepherd/Bernese Mountain Dog mix. We use doggy diapers whenever he goes in a vehicle because he pees every time. I think he has car anxiety and am hoping he grows out of it. In the meantime, the doggie diapers are allowing him to go for car rides.
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Post by busy on Jun 15, 2023 16:33:55 GMT
One more thing... because you don't have history on this pooch, it can make it a little harder to target your interventions, since you don't know what his issues are most likely to be (or not be), so it may make things take a little longer as you figure those out. But please, don't give up on him. You can get there. The fact that he's had such positive behavior at daycare, etc. is a great sign for his overall personality. Rescues can be hard work but they repay you in love and devotion in ways that are really touching❤️
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Post by Basket1lady on Jun 15, 2023 16:44:41 GMT
Please don’t think it’s irredeemable. We had a Cairn terrier who had been a stud at a puppy mill and was recently rescued and neutered when we got him. EVERYTHING about living in a house was new to him and it was a challenge for a while. I would STRONGLY encourage crate training. (We couldn’t with him because of his past circumstances.) But he wore a belly band in house, we had him on a strict schedule, and we tethered him to whomever was home - much like training a puppy. With him, there was the extra challenge of having such short legs that he could lift a leg without any warning signs lol But we got there and after a few months he was 100% reliable in the house. He was potty trained for actual elimination within days but marking took a lot longer to totally extinguish. BUT WE DID, and had him for 12 happy years. He came from extreme conditions and lived in them for six years, so I wouldn’t expect it to take as long in your situation. I agree with this. Don’t give up yet, but I agree with the “back to basics” approach. Treat him like a puppy in that you watch him, wear him (leash attached to your waist), and crate him when he can’t be closely watched. You need to catch him BEFORE he marks and get him outside every time. I’d probably do some mild scolding as well, but definitely nothing physical. It’s harder and more work to retrain a habit, but it can be done.
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Post by busy on Jun 15, 2023 16:48:31 GMT
Please don’t think it’s irredeemable. We had a Cairn terrier who had been a stud at a puppy mill and was recently rescued and neutered when we got him. EVERYTHING about living in a house was new to him and it was a challenge for a while. I would STRONGLY encourage crate training. (We couldn’t with him because of his past circumstances.) But he wore a belly band in house, we had him on a strict schedule, and we tethered him to whomever was home - much like training a puppy. With him, there was the extra challenge of having such short legs that he could lift a leg without any warning signs lol But we got there and after a few months he was 100% reliable in the house. He was potty trained for actual elimination within days but marking took a lot longer to totally extinguish. BUT WE DID, and had him for 12 happy years. He came from extreme conditions and lived in them for six years, so I wouldn’t expect it to take as long in your situation. I agree with this. Don’t give up yet, but I agree with the “back to basics” approach. Treat him like a puppy in that you watch him, wear him (leash attached to your waist), and crate him when he can’t be closely watched. You need to catch him BEFORE he marks and get him outside every time. I’d probably do some mild scolding as well, but definitely nothing physical. It’s harder and more work to retrain a habit, but it can be done. I'm not a fan of scolding but a sharp clap to distract him as soon as he lifts a leg or squats or starts to pee or whatever in the house will stop any flow -- then rush him outside and praise profusely when he goes there, even if it's a drop.
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Post by gryroagain on Jun 15, 2023 18:39:25 GMT
I adopted an elderly non neutered Pyr who had only lived outside…and he marked a ton. And he was the size of a horse so his “sprinkle” was a lot of pee. I despaired if ever fixing it, I mean he was 10 for gosh sakes.
But, we did! I’d leash him to me or keep him right with me (because he didn’t move a whole lot 😂) and every time the leg went up make a disapproving noise- and for a Olaf most important- an exaggerated frown face of upset. Olaf thought I hung the moon, making me happy was his life goal. And he learned! If he actually peed I did nothing, just quietly cleaned it up not looking at him at all, I only did the sound and frown if I caught him before he did it. And he stopped, in a week! He never could get neutered.
Olaf was an exceptionally smart dog, but the tactic has worked with other foster dogs. Some have had to wear belly bands though to be unsupervised in the house, the terriers especially were just impossible. Some dogs who stopped in my house would immediately mark at others houses/stores etc so had to be very vigilant. It’s a tough behavior to break and neutering IMO doesn’t even help much once it’s started.
Give him time. You can train the behavior with a belly band on, the dog doesn’t notice nothing is coming out and it will save your floors.
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Post by peppermintpatty on Jun 15, 2023 18:55:19 GMT
I agree that he’s marking old spots. Is he marking rugs, carpet, or hard flooring? If you can, pour vinegar on the spot and leave it for at least 15 minutes. But know that vinegar is an acid and can etch a surface. It's been just the carpets so far. I have sprayed an enzyme cleaner after using a carpet cleaner, but we bought a new enzyme cleaner today to try. We have to replace the rugs in our house (we have been needing to for years!) so maybe that will help.
You will probably not only have to get rid of the rugs but also you need to get rid of the padding. Add to that the fact that the scent will go into the floor below. My dog was doing that and we kept replacing the carpet and padding but then pulled back the area rug and realized he was marking because of the scent in the hardwood floor. The hardwood was BLACK from all of his marking. We had to tear up some of the hardwood and then replaced it, bought a new area rug, new padding and put a plastic tarp between the area rug and the padding. He hasn't marked there since. It didn't matter what we sprayed or used to clean the area. Once it gets into the flooring, that's it.
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Post by maryland on Jun 15, 2023 23:39:04 GMT
It's been just the carpets so far. I have sprayed an enzyme cleaner after using a carpet cleaner, but we bought a new enzyme cleaner today to try. We have to replace the rugs in our house (we have been needing to for years!) so maybe that will help.
You will probably not only have to get rid of the rugs but also you need to get rid of the padding. Add to that the fact that the scent will go into the floor below. My dog was doing that and we kept replacing the carpet and padding but then pulled back the area rug and realized he was marking because of the scent in the hardwood floor. The hardwood was BLACK from all of his marking. We had to tear up some of the hardwood and then replaced it, bought a new area rug, new padding and put a plastic tarp between the area rug and the padding. He hasn't marked there since. It didn't matter what we sprayed or used to clean the area. Once it gets into the flooring, that's it. Yes, when we get new carpet, we have to tear out everything. I rented a carpet cleaner several years ago, and somehow ruined our carpets. Now when we get them cleaned, rust colored stains appear. The only thing we can think of is the padding is ruined. So we are getting new padding, new carpet and whatever else they recommend at the carpet store. Hope it helps!
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Post by yoursweetwhimsy on Jun 16, 2023 2:09:51 GMT
We had a dog who marked. We would crate him while we were gone, close doors to the rooms he would frequent when we were home and purchased washable belly bands from Amazon. The belly bands were a good solution to the problem. I would wash them with vinegar and detergent.
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