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Post by jeremysgirl on Jun 27, 2023 16:07:11 GMT
I'm just going to admit to you that my knowledge of autism is incredibly limited. Esther was diagnosed with autism when she was 16. I admit it, I didn't see the signs at all. A therapist she was seeing requested I take her for screening so I did. They gave her a definitive diagnosis and neither of us really knew what that meant. She had a very negative response to it at first. But she started to come around, learning a bit and seeing where she fit within that diagnosis. I have learned some over the past few years too, but I just really thought while it gave us a bit of insight to her, I just knew her the way she was for years upon years and I didn't try to use the diagnosis to really explain anything about her or to even encourage her to adapt to the world around her. I don't know if that was a mistake or not, but I thought I had much bigger fish to fry with the bipolar diagnosis and the pervasive depression. She is gone now, so I've had a bit more room to really wonder about things about her, why she behaved the way she did, where there any changes within her over the years that I just didn't see coming, could I have helped her navigate the world better. Just lots of questions.
In really seeking to know her over the past year, I've delved a bit into what defines an autism diagnosis. I have kind of said, yeah I do that or no, I don't do that. But it has really been a non-issue for me. I tuned into Glennon Doyle's, You Can Do Hard Things Podcast the other day because she had on the author, Katherine May. I enjoy Katherine May's books so I listened. And it was all about how Katherine May came to know she was autistic as an adult. I sat there listening to her and so much of what she said resonated with me. But one thing just really hit me so very hard. She said that people often think people with autism do not experience feelings as intensely as people without autism. I had always assumed this about Esther. She was very serious all the time. Very quiet. But Katherine said that for her, she feels things so intensely that she withdraws. She said she notices and dissects the interactions of everyone around her, taking all of it in and in many cases, personalizes it to the point where she is so overwhelmed, she withdraws as a coping mechanism. This was not at all what I was thinking about autism. In fact, this flat effect that Esther had and the overwhelming level of quiet she required, the fact that she shrugged off the arts, all made me think she was less sensitive to the world and people around her. Yet, I'll tell you she had moments of absolute wisdom. I trusted her thoughts, I held them precious because she didn't share them often, and they were always very insightful and complex.
I thought about all of this regarding Esther and I have to say, it hit me so deeply because I almost feel like so much was in there, buried, inside her mind that I never knew and will never know. And then I started to think about myself. How I feel the pain and joy of everyone around me, to the point where it is so overwhelming at times that I just completely shut down often going days without interacting with people. I think sometimes of all the threads I avoid here at times because I feel your pain so intensely, it impacts me to the point where I physically manifest side effects. I have always, always thought that this is a function of my bipolar disorder. I am loud, I can be intense, I can be very social, I would have told you right up to when Covid hit that I was an extrovert. All of these reasons were what I was hanging my hat on as the factors that separate me from an autism diagnosis. (I do have other behaviors, stimming, obsessive tendencies, a serious need to commit to things, ethics that tend to be very black or white, etc.) But I see that socially sometimes I make people uncomfortable, I can be overwhelming. And I've learned to temper that, adapt. I am pretty resilient and overly sensitive to the point where I am in a constant state of questioning myself about my own behavior and I'm quite obsessed with anything that explains human behavior from psychology to philosophy. So I have been obsessed with learning about myself and others for a very long time. Now, I will never get on board with a misdiagnosis of bipolar disorder for myself (for Esther or Chloe either) as we all have very definitive behaviors that fit that profile. However, now I'm looking at this as a whole and I'm wondering if there are some quirks about myself that I've always just chalked up to individuality and mania that are in fact, indicators that I may be on the autism spectrum.
All that to get to my point, but I'm curious if any of you parents of children with autism can see any kind of genetic link between you and your kids. If you do believe that you or your children's dad is autistic, have you explored any of those ideas within yourself? Did it shine a light on your own thoughts/behaviors in a positive way? Did it just muddy the waters for you like it seems to have done for me? Anything you want to share, share. I'm just feeling like, I was so confident in myself and my diagnosis, and maybe there is still a lot of mystery to why I do, think, and feel the way I do. I just wondered really if anyone else had these kinds of thoughts.
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Post by Merge on Jun 27, 2023 16:21:00 GMT
I believe, based on what my daughter’s doctor has said, that some of her BPD symptoms are attributable to autism. And I believe that she inherited many of those characteristics from me.
I wish we’d been better informed earlier on.
Not much to be done about it at the adult level except maybe therapy, but she and I both wish we’d known why - even as children - we felt very out of place almost all the time.
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Post by quietgirl on Jun 27, 2023 16:24:03 GMT
I'm sorry, I don't have any idea about the autism. But the reason why I'm replying is because A lot of what you say here, both about you and Esther, sounds like highly sensitive. HSP, highly sensitive person. You feel things intensely. You can read a room like no one's business. You literally pick up, and feel, what is going on around you. Now, I am extremely introverted, but HSP's can be extroverted, too. I don't know if this applies, or can even help, and I don't know about the autism like say. But if you Google the term, there's a checklist of some sort that you can look at. There are resources in the library. Elaine Aron has an older book about it. A newer one is called Sensitive, by Jenn Granneman and Andre Solo. Again, I'm sorry, this may not apply, but you said some things that made me think of it.
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Post by caangel on Jun 27, 2023 16:43:39 GMT
I have a friend who was recently diagnosed in her 30s as autistic. She sought the diagnosis for her self. She is in the medical field and is very self aware. It has helped her understand her tendencies better.
My SIL was diagnosed as an adult (40s) with ADHD and is now on medication that makes a big difference for her everyday life.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jun 27, 2023 16:47:24 GMT
I believe, based on what my daughter’s doctor has said, that some of her BPD symptoms are attributable to autism. And I believe that she inherited many of those characteristics from me. I wish we’d been better informed earlier on. I wish I had been better informed too. I also wish I had better informed myself when I did learn of her diagnosis. I was so busy trying to put out one fire that I did not even consider the autism in my own concept of her whole person that I was trying to save. I'm glad if this is the case for your daughter, you are seeing it now. I get reinforcement all the time that neurodivergence sometimes means wearing more than one hat and it's not all neat and tidy under one label. Hopefully your daughter and her therapist can navigate some of the behaviors, because that's what really matters. That's what impacts us most of all.
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Post by seaexplore on Jun 27, 2023 16:50:28 GMT
Since birth my now 11 yo DD has been “different” and once she started school I had teacher after teacher ask me if she was on the spectrum. Finally in 4th grade, I had her assessed by her pediatricians office she “qualified” definitively in 2 of 3 areas. The 3rd was interpersonal and the fact that she interacted well and had friends prevented that 3rd area.
She is wicked smart, doesn’t show emotions often unless she is super upset, doesn’t really have empathy that she shows, can pick up any instrument and begin to play it.
Discipline (which is what took us toward spectrum) was difficult. She didn’t care what we did, took away, said. We finally found time out and removal of privileges to be somewhat effective. As she has gotten a bit older we have found that she is easier to manage (not the right word). It’s been a crazy road with her so far and I’m dreading the teen years as she is the very youngest in her grade and will graduate at 17. That scares me because of the maturity needed for good decision making. That is something we work with all the time.
So, in short- I think lots of people are on the spectrum- that’s why it’s called that and not just autism- since it can be mild or strong.
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Post by pantsonfire on Jun 27, 2023 17:00:01 GMT
Both dd and ds do. Genetics wants me to be tested now. Peds neurology even suggested it when dd was going through testing.
They want me tested because Ehlers Danlos is going extensive research about the connection of EDS (especially hEDS) and Autism.
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Post by pantsonfire on Jun 27, 2023 17:07:32 GMT
I will say for myself it will explain a lot if I do indeed fall on the ASD spectrum.
-memorized sheet music after playing through 1x
-remember phone numbers after 2 to 3 calls
-was afraid of noises as a child of certain pitches
-was schedule based and felt secure on it. When off, was nervous. Still that way.
-rule follower
-anxiety
-picked up musical instruments easily
-tags bother me to this day
-socially awkward and have social anxiety
-prefer certain textures while others set me off
-struggled in math but excelled in all other subjects
-take things literally at times
-need pressure to sleep
-slept with stuffed animals until married
-don't act my age
-find Charlie Brown humor to be funny
-enjoy watching same movie or episode over and over. Hate the feeling of not knowing what will happen with something new so ask others ending.
-hate surprises like gifts. Prefer to know I am getting what I asked for.
So many of things are the same with the kids.
Dd can listen to a song and almost play it on our piano but can't read sheet music.
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Post by pantsonfire on Jun 27, 2023 17:10:07 GMT
I believe, based on what my daughter’s doctor has said, that some of her BPD symptoms are attributable to autism. And I believe that she inherited many of those characteristics from me. I wish we’d been better informed earlier on. I wish I had been better informed too. I also wish I had better informed myself when I did learn of her diagnosis. I was so busy trying to put out one fire that I did not even consider the autism in my own concept of her whole person that I was trying to save. I'm glad if this is the case for your daughter, you are seeing it now. I get reinforcement all the time that neurodivergence sometimes means wearing more than one hat and it's not all neat and tidy under one label. Hopefully your daughter and her therapist can navigate some of the behaviors, because that's what really matters. That's what impacts us most of all. This is why so many in the ASD community are pushing for the infinity symbol because their needs change every day depending on environment and function. Same for ADD, etc. It's not confined to x but can be xa and xy and xt.
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Post by wholarmor on Jun 27, 2023 17:12:43 GMT
My youngest was diagnosed pretty early on. He was high enough functioning that it wasn't easy for everyone to tell. He wasn't flappy stims, but he did other stimming and lining up of toys and he was hyperlexic. Anyway, fast forward to just a few months ago, my husband decided to get tested. I have had that figured out for a while. His sister told me that she had suspected something like Autism when he was a kid.
My older son just asked my husband the other day what led him to suspect he might have Autism. He said that he has some Autistic traits- like not understanding some social cues and stuff.
I feel like I could be on the spectrum as well. I have some sensory issues and other things that I can chalk up to Autism, but I feel like life is manageable. My guys could benefit from therapy. I'm glad that my youngest was able to get early intervention, and he has come a long way. He will probably always struggle a bit more than the rest of us.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jun 27, 2023 17:27:55 GMT
So, in short- I think lots of people are on the spectrum- that’s why it’s called that and not just autism- since it can be mild or strong. I agree with this. And I can definitely see that other neurodivergencies would complicate a diagnosis too. I will say for myself it will explain a lot if I do indeed fall on the ASD spectrum. It's funny too because I saw a Twitter post the other day and the author was saying, 1 in 36 children nowadays are diagnosed with autism and he acted as if this was a new phenomena, where are the adults? The entire Twitter feed was full of adults raising their hands to say, I'm right here without a diagnosis. This is why so many in the ASD community are pushing for the infinity symbol because their needs change every day depending on environment and function. Same for ADD, etc. It's not confined to x but can be xa and xy and xt. This also could frame having bipolar disorder, as well. Anyway, fast forward to just a few months ago, my husband decided to get tested. I have had that figured out for a while. His sister told me that she had suspected something like Autism when he was a kid. My older son just asked my husband the other day what led him to suspect he might have Autism. He said that he has some Autistic traits- like not understanding some social cues and stuff. Did it make him feel better or worse to have the diagnosis? Does he feel less conflicted now than he did before?
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Post by hmp on Jun 27, 2023 17:31:58 GMT
I don’t have kids but I’d like to share a few thoughts based on my experience working with patients. All the psychiatrists, psychologists, social workers I’ve referred patients to say any psych diagnosis can occur on a spectrum. What separates “normal” from a “diagnosis” is the degree of symptoms the patient experiences and/or exhibits.
I have no doubt you responded to Esther appropriately. I think you underestimate your abilities because the medical community has trained us all to think only they can make a diagnosis because only they have the training. But they forget much of their training is experiential. Parents acquire experience & make at least partial diagnoses all the time. Think about your child with a fever. You didn’t check a temp with every diaper change or when your kid woke up & then got home from school. Something made you pick up a thermometer to check your kid’s temperature. You may have noticed physical & behavior changes such as flushed cheeks & lethargy. A cluster of symptoms made you call your pediatrician’s office or take you child to the ED. I think you did what any medically trained person does all the time. You triaged your daughter’s symptoms and dealt with the most critical ones. You are incredibly perceptive & insightful. You continually comment on what you have learned and adapt your responses based on that new knowledge. You aren’t afraid to try new things. You evaluate your experiences and revise things as needed. You’ve demonstrated these behaviors with the Peas as long as I’ve been involved with this board. You didn’t miss anything. You did the absolute best you could under the circumstances and the tools you & the medical establishment had available. You never settled. You always sought to learn more to make things better. Please never doubt yourself. I’m in awe of your talents and find you to be an inspiration. I WISH YOU COULD SEE YOURSELF THE WAY US PEAS SEE YOU. YOU ARE EXTRAORDINARY!
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Post by pantsonfire on Jun 27, 2023 17:34:23 GMT
jeremysgirl in my area it is 1:22. And more and more adults are being diagnosed as well. The Autism Society we belong to has now started a diagnosed as an adult monthly chat because their journey was so different than that of a child. You are fully aware of the medical struggles my family has had for over 17 years now and the recent diagnosis I have received myself shows that we have made progress in some areas. Because as a kid, I would not have been diagnosed. Genetics and neuro even said so. The criteria has changed so much. And now people realize that just because you are a girl doesn't mean you get written off like I did for 35 freaking years when it came to pain, dislocations, tears and my hEDS. It was oh tour a girl who played sports. F you dude. Now I know it wasn't being a girl or playing sports. Its freaking genetic. Ds was diagnosed at 2, then 3 then 5. Back then you couldn't be officially labeled until 3 and you had to requalify at 5. Dd was 6 and it was after ds. It all made sense. Her Autism is different than ds and girls still are not diagnosed correctly.
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Post by Linda on Jun 27, 2023 17:44:10 GMT
only 1 of mine has a diagnosis, another is seeking one (autism and/or adhd), and the other is probably also likely to explore diagnosis in the future.
Neither DH nor I are diagnosed. If I was armchair diagnosing - I would say adhd for him and autism for me. DH is resistant to labels and diagnosing...he's that dude sharing the meme about why is it so prevalent today...
Learning about autism helped me learn to parent my children better - they are ALL different and need different approaches though. It has also helped me understand myself more.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jun 27, 2023 18:05:00 GMT
I don’t have kids but I’d like to share a few thoughts based on my experience working with patients. All the psychiatrists, psychologists, social workers I’ve referred patients to say any psych diagnosis can occur on a spectrum. What separates “normal” from a “diagnosis” is the degree of symptoms the patient experiences and/or exhibits. I have no doubt you responded to Esther appropriately. I think you underestimate your abilities because the medical community has trained us all to think only they can make a diagnosis because only they have the training. But they forget much of their training is experiential. Parents acquire experience & make at least partial diagnoses all the time. Think about your child with a fever. You didn’t check a temp with every diaper change or when your kid woke up & then got home from school. Something made you pick up a thermometer to check your kid’s temperature. You may have noticed physical & behavior changes such as flushed cheeks & lethargy. A cluster of symptoms made you call your pediatrician’s office or take you child to the ED. I think you did what any medically trained person does all the time. You triaged your daughter’s symptoms and dealt with the most critical ones. You are incredibly perceptive & insightful. You continually comment on what you have learned and adapt your responses based on that new knowledge. You aren’t afraid to try new things. You evaluate your experiences and revise things as needed. You’ve demonstrated these behaviors with the Peas as long as I’ve been involved with this board. You didn’t miss anything. You did the absolute best you could under the circumstances and the tools you & the medical establishment had available. You never settled. You always sought to learn more to make things better. Please never doubt yourself. I’m in awe of your talents and find you to be an inspiration. I WISH YOU COULD SEE YOURSELF THE WAY US PEAS SEE YOU. YOU ARE EXTRAORDINARY! This made me cry, it touched me so deeply. Thank you. I know she's at peace, but I still question if there is anything that could have been done to save her.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jun 27, 2023 18:07:42 GMT
Learning about autism helped me learn to parent my children better - they are ALL different and need different approaches though. It has also helped me understand myself more. I see this. Being bipolar gave me insight into helping my children with that. But the autism just completely threw me for a loop. Only now am I starting to understand it. And I wish she were here to talk about it.
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Post by Linda on Jun 27, 2023 18:16:31 GMT
And I wish she were here to talk about it. ((((Hugs)))) I wish she was here for you to talk to
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Post by flanz on Jun 27, 2023 18:45:01 GMT
I don’t have kids but I’d like to share a few thoughts based on my experience working with patients. All the psychiatrists, psychologists, social workers I’ve referred patients to say any psych diagnosis can occur on a spectrum. What separates “normal” from a “diagnosis” is the degree of symptoms the patient experiences and/or exhibits. I have no doubt you responded to Esther appropriately. I think you underestimate your abilities because the medical community has trained us all to think only they can make a diagnosis because only they have the training. But they forget much of their training is experiential. Parents acquire experience & make at least partial diagnoses all the time. Think about your child with a fever. You didn’t check a temp with every diaper change or when your kid woke up & then got home from school. Something made you pick up a thermometer to check your kid’s temperature. You may have noticed physical & behavior changes such as flushed cheeks & lethargy. A cluster of symptoms made you call your pediatrician’s office or take you child to the ED. I think you did what any medically trained person does all the time. You triaged your daughter’s symptoms and dealt with the most critical ones. You are incredibly perceptive & insightful. You continually comment on what you have learned and adapt your responses based on that new knowledge. You aren’t afraid to try new things. You evaluate your experiences and revise things as needed. You’ve demonstrated these behaviors with the Peas as long as I’ve been involved with this board. You didn’t miss anything. You did the absolute best you could under the circumstances and the tools you & the medical establishment had available. You never settled. You always sought to learn more to make things better. Please never doubt yourself. I’m in awe of your talents and find you to be an inspiration. I WISH YOU COULD SEE YOURSELF THE WAY US PEAS SEE YOU. YOU ARE EXTRAORDINARY! YES! YES!! YES!!! I agree completely!!!
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Post by wholarmor on Jun 27, 2023 19:22:34 GMT
Anyway, fast forward to just a few months ago, my husband decided to get tested. I have had that figured out for a while. His sister told me that she had suspected something like Autism when he was a kid. My older son just asked my husband the other day what led him to suspect he might have Autism. He said that he has some Autistic traits- like not understanding some social cues and stuff. Did it make him feel better or worse to have the diagnosis? Does he feel less conflicted now than he did before? I think he is still very conflicted, and while he feels good about finally having something to say that he is atypical, I feel like he hasn't used his diagnosis to improve his situation, but I'm glad there is a bit of an understanding in him to know why he has felt so out of place all these years.
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Post by mom on Jun 27, 2023 19:36:50 GMT
My oldest is on the spectrum, but he is able to hide it well but those who see/deal with him not he daily can see the signs. He is very high functioning. When he was first diagnosed, his Drs didn't push us to get him therapy --- it was very much 'his case is mild and not enough to worry. So we didn't worry...and feel like we missed getting him help he could have really used.
I suspect I would be considered on the spectrum but truly feel I have ADHD.
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Post by ntsf on Jun 27, 2023 21:42:20 GMT
my adult child has autism.. and at least from her viewpoint, high functioning and mild are words not to be used. she can pass as normal, but is affected other ways that makes it impossible to work and function without help.
it definitely runs in the family --skipping generations. every person with autism can seem different from others with autism. it is a total myth that they don't feel empathy or sympathy.. it is a brain difference.. but just that a difference...
it has gotten easier for her as she grows older.. she is in her mid thirties.. but still lives at home. and has nothing to do but attend college. not really interested in volunteering. many adults with autism are unemployed or underemployed and govt sponsored support systems have little to offer this population.
don't ever beat yourself up for what you did or didn't do. you did your best. and there has been little support around this for young people.. even in schools, etc. what seems so obvious and easy to the rest of us can seem impossible for someone who is autistic.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jun 27, 2023 22:43:25 GMT
ntsf at one point Esther had tried to live on her own and hold down a job. It was impossible. She came back home and kept looking for work but couldn't seem to get past an interview. Even if she been hired, working with others, and being able to meet the demands of a job with that level of depression probably would have been impossible. Toward the end of her life, I believed she would have lived with me forever. But it took until she tried to move out on her own for me to see that just wasn't possible. When I think of that point, it was 2 years after her diagnosis. And I still didn't see autism as being a limitation in any way that I thought her bipolar was. I appreciate your insight. I didn't believe that Esther didn't have empathy. I know she did because she was quick to hug me when she thought I really needed one, usually because one of Chloe's antics got me right down. She was sensitive. But sometimes she could behave in a way that you almost felt like she was careless with her own feelings and that of those around her. I can contrast it with times she wasn't. So there's conflicting data in my mind.
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Post by AllieC on Jun 27, 2023 23:25:19 GMT
I think one of the things we are finding out now is how many girls/women are undiagnosed because they don't fit the mold that is very much male based. I know of a few adult women who have been diagnosed recently and it has been life changing for them. So many lightbulb moments about the struggles they have faced throughout life and why it has been so hard at times for them. Also the masking of behaviours to fit in etc.
I think it's great you are exploring your beautiful Esther and how her diagnosis might have affected her but please don't beat yourself up for not doing more x
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Post by ntsf on Jun 27, 2023 23:26:28 GMT
maybe esther just didn't respond the way you expected.. "the norm" but there were probably reactions never the less. it takes a while to understand reactions.. my child has had years of therapy and I also sent her to a special high school.. so she has learned a lot about herself. my child does best with concrete interactions.. clear expectations, lists, and so she is excellent at latin and japanese.. which is what she is studying. she would like to be a translator, but I don't think she could support herself with that..as her ability to work hours is limited. she gets too emotionally tired.
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Post by Zee on Jun 28, 2023 0:38:32 GMT
Since birth my now 11 yo DD has been “different” and once she started school I had teacher after teacher ask me if she was on the spectrum. Finally in 4th grade, I had her assessed by her pediatricians office she “qualified” definitively in 2 of 3 areas. The 3rd was interpersonal and the fact that she interacted well and had friends prevented that 3rd area. She is wicked smart, doesn’t show emotions often unless she is super upset, doesn’t really have empathy that she shows, can pick up any instrument and begin to play it. Discipline (which is what took us toward spectrum) was difficult. She didn’t care what we did, took away, said. We finally found time out and removal of privileges to be somewhat effective. As she has gotten a bit older we have found that she is easier to manage (not the right word). It’s been a crazy road with her so far and I’m dreading the teen years as she is the very youngest in her grade and will graduate at 17. That scares me because of the maturity needed for good decision making. That is something we work with all the time. So, in short- I think lots of people are on the spectrum- that’s why it’s called that and not just autism- since it can be mild or strong. That sounds a lot like my son. He's now 25. He has many issues with anxiety and depression and I've wondered since he was younger about being just slightly on the spectrum, or touching it if you will. He's very able to socialize (though in general, he chooses not to, and I can easily see when he's "on" because it's a good act he puts on) and make friends so I never thought it fit. When he was younger he had sensory issues that he's largely outgrown. He's incredibly smart and incredibly unmotivated. But at what point does being on the spectrum not just become personality quirks? My husband is an engineer and works with a lot of people who are brilliantly smart and have poor social skills. DH is not at all like that, but we can easily recognize the traits. I don't think our son has an inherited/genetic condition but I do think he got my husband's precision German engineering mind with my hot temper and it's not necessarily an easy combination for my son to live with.
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Post by PLurker on Jun 28, 2023 1:18:51 GMT
DS is on the spectrum. I wish he was diagnosed earlier but he wasn't. Determined to just be "quirky". Maybe I should have pushed more but I tended to trust those that "should know". I have come to realize that I think that sometimes those the closest don't see things. And not just for overlooking but because you are the closest, the kids act differently/more comfortable around you. You can not see what they don't show while you are around. My eldest was well into high school before I knew they had any social anxiety. One day when I did see it from a far I questioned how they were able to interact with everyone (my friends etc) openly, without anxiety. I was more questioning my "am I a good mom" if I can't even see my kid's problems. They blessed me by saying "Mom, your my safe place. Your friends are then safe to me.". Although I wished I could have seen signs for them both earlier, that offhanded remark put it in a whole different light and helped me to forgive myself for "not seeing". How can we see what we aren't shown. Hell, even my xdh helped by commenting that "DS never talks" when questioning their (lack of) relationship. Me: then why the hell can't I get him to shut up? I was joking only to point out to xdh that talks and relationships don't magically just happen. DS got diagnosed asd late, adult/near adult. He didn't want to use it as "a crutch or excuse" for a long time. He's finally okay with it realizing everyone needs some help at some time and he, like everyone else, deserves it. That's huge. Willing to get and feeling deserving of help. Currently he is getting assistance in finding work that suits him via the state's Division of Vocational Rehabilitation. He has graduated from college but as he didn't want that crutch he had no real focus. They are helping him (fingers crossed) find that and will help him find his place in the workplace or additional schooling. His older sibling has helped him as he tends to listen to "other than mom" as although I may speak the truth, I'm his biggest cheerleader and he needs that outside opinion, even if it is the same. I get it. Through DVRs application and testing he's also been diagnosed with ADHD. Pretty sure (although not diagnosed) he may have inherited that from me. Especially since I no longer work, the lack of deadlines kind of released my ADHD self, I think. Autism for me? I'm not sure but I'd say I wouldn't be totally surprised as it is a big wide spectrum after all. Now that I've rambled on... You know jeremysgirl that I agree with the rest of the peas, you are a great and caring person as well as mama. You're the best. Never forget
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Post by scrapmaven on Jun 28, 2023 2:54:32 GMT
hmp you said it beautifully. I was very surprised to learn about certain genetic predispositions to mental illness and learning issues. For instance, if you have someone in your family w/migraines or seizures that can be a genetic hand-me-down from someone in the family who is BPD or learning disabled. pantsonfire, I have a specialist who treats EDS and autism w/the same treatment and the same success. Interesting.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Jun 28, 2023 3:14:59 GMT
I believe, based on what my daughter’s doctor has said, that some of her BPD symptoms are attributable to autism. And I believe that she inherited many of those characteristics from me. I wish we’d been better informed earlier on. I wish I had been better informed too. I also wish I had better informed myself when I did learn of her diagnosis. I was so busy trying to put out one fire that I did not even consider the autism in my own concept of her whole person that I was trying to save. I'm glad if this is the case for your daughter, you are seeing it now. I get reinforcement all the time that neurodivergence sometimes means wearing more than one hat and it's not all neat and tidy under one label. Hopefully your daughter and her therapist can navigate some of the behaviors, because that's what really matters. That's what impacts us most of all. Autism diagnosis, awareness and knowledge has changed drastically the past few years. Please don’t think you could have been better informed then you are. I can’t think of another diagnosis that has evolved so much over such a short time.
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Post by wellway on Jun 28, 2023 5:55:06 GMT
If you were to ask the general public to name an autistic person they would probably say Rainman. Ask them to name an autistic female and my feeling is they would struggle. A movie has had a big impact on how autism is viewed, male, maths, awkward. But it is so much more and the knowledge and understanding is really only beginning. The first person, Donald Triplett, formally diagnosed with autism died last week at the age of 89. Here's his wiki page if interested, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_TriplettJust like ADHD, the female experience of autism is only starting to be acknowledged and researched. There is a website called Futurelearn with courses from different universities around the world, they have a number on autism. When I've done courses they have been free, I think some still are but with limited access. www.futurelearn.com/subjects/psychology-and-mental-health-courses/autismI have a book called Girls and Autism by Barry Carpenter. It's a UK publication which pulls together personal experiences and the most up to date research at the time, I bought it in 2020. www.amazon.co.uk/Girls-Autism-Educational-Personal-Perspectives/dp/0815377266/ref=sr_1_1?crid=19N3CR7CVTXBQ&keywords=girls+and+autism&qid=1687931332&sprefix=Girls+and+au%2Caps%2C146&sr=8-1Eta, had to step away from the screen but just wanted to say that I am adding the info above to highlight how little is known generally and how much more there is to understand. As parents we are just playing catch up, discovering that conditions can be layered like an onion and be hard to differentiate. But, there is no doubt in my mind that Esther knew she was loved and supported. Hugs jeremysgirl
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Post by putabuttononit on Jun 28, 2023 8:32:50 GMT
I'm just going to admit to you that my knowledge of autism is incredibly limited. Esther was diagnosed with autism when she was 16. I admit it, I didn't see the signs at all. A therapist she was seeing requested I take her for screening so I did. They gave her a definitive diagnosis and neither of us really knew what that meant. She had a very negative response to it at first. But she started to come around, learning a bit and seeing where she fit within that diagnosis. I have learned some over the past few years too, but I just really thought while it gave us a bit of insight to her, I just knew her the way she was for years upon years and I didn't try to use the diagnosis to really explain anything about her or to even encourage her to adapt to the world around her. I don't know if that was a mistake or not, but I thought I had much bigger fish to fry with the bipolar diagnosis and the pervasive depression. She is gone now, so I've had a bit more room to really wonder about things about her, why she behaved the way she did, where there any changes within her over the years that I just didn't see coming, could I have helped her navigate the world better. Just lots of questions. In really seeking to know her over the past year, I've delved a bit into what defines an autism diagnosis. I have kind of said, yeah I do that or no, I don't do that. But it has really been a non-issue for me. I tuned into Glennon Doyle's, You Can Do Hard Things Podcast the other day because she had on the author, Katherine May. I enjoy Katherine May's books so I listened. And it was all about how Katherine May came to know she was autistic as an adult. I sat there listening to her and so much of what she said resonated with me. But one thing just really hit me so very hard. She said that people often think people with autism do not experience feelings as intensely as people without autism. I had always assumed this about Esther. She was very serious all the time. Very quiet. But Katherine said that for her, she feels things so intensely that she withdraws. She said she notices and dissects the interactions of everyone around her, taking all of it in and in many cases, personalizes it to the point where she is so overwhelmed, she withdraws as a coping mechanism. This was not at all what I was thinking about autism. In fact, this flat effect that Esther had and the overwhelming level of quiet she required, the fact that she shrugged off the arts, all made me think she was less sensitive to the world and people around her. Yet, I'll tell you she had moments of absolute wisdom. I trusted her thoughts, I held them precious because she didn't share them often, and they were always very insightful and complex. I thought about all of this regarding Esther and I have to say, it hit me so deeply because I almost feel like so much was in there, buried, inside her mind that I never knew and will never know. And then I started to think about myself. How I feel the pain and joy of everyone around me, to the point where it is so overwhelming at times that I just completely shut down often going days without interacting with people. I think sometimes of all the threads I avoid here at times because I feel your pain so intensely, it impacts me to the point where I physically manifest side effects. I have always, always thought that this is a function of my bipolar disorder. I am loud, I can be intense, I can be very social, I would have told you right up to when Covid hit that I was an extrovert. All of these reasons were what I was hanging my hat on as the factors that separate me from an autism diagnosis. (I do have other behaviors, stimming, obsessive tendencies, a serious need to commit to things, ethics that tend to be very black or white, etc.) But I see that socially sometimes I make people uncomfortable, I can be overwhelming. And I've learned to temper that, adapt. I am pretty resilient and overly sensitive to the point where I am in a constant state of questioning myself about my own behavior and I'm quite obsessed with anything that explains human behavior from psychology to philosophy. So I have been obsessed with learning about myself and others for a very long time. Now, I will never get on board with a misdiagnosis of bipolar disorder for myself (for Esther or Chloe either) as we all have very definitive behaviors that fit that profile. However, now I'm looking at this as a whole and I'm wondering if there are some quirks about myself that I've always just chalked up to individuality and mania that are in fact, indicators that I may be on the autism spectrum. All that to get to my point, but I'm curious if any of you parents of children with autism can see any kind of genetic link between you and your kids. If you do believe that you or your children's dad is autistic, have you explored any of those ideas within yourself? Did it shine a light on your own thoughts/behaviors in a positive way? Did it just muddy the waters for you like it seems to have done for me? Anything you want to share, share. I'm just feeling like, I was so confident in myself and my diagnosis, and maybe there is still a lot of mystery to why I do, think, and feel the way I do. I just wondered really if anyone else had these kinds of thoughts. Wow that’s crazy. I’ve listened to one podcast in six months and it happens to be the one you mentioned. It was very interesting, but ASD is so varied and nuanced - so uniquely individual. It really made me think tho. Our ds has many traits that make me think ASD is a big possibility. He’s very hf
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