Dani-Mani
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Post by Dani-Mani on Dec 15, 2014 0:25:01 GMT
A hostage situation in a coffee shop that they fear is terrorist related. I can't link on my phone but maybe someone else can?
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Post by jenjie on Dec 15, 2014 0:30:12 GMT
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Post by jenjie on Dec 15, 2014 0:34:34 GMT
They are now saying it is NOT an ISIS flag: "The flag in the window in Martin Place is not an ISIS flag. It reads: ‘There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of God.’" ** A number of people are being held hostage in a siege at a cafe in the heart of Sydney's CBD. At least three people have been seen with their hands raised and pressed against the windows of the Lindt Chocolat Cafe, in Martin Place. A black flag with Arabic text has also been seen hanging in the shop window. The flag, which has been waved behind the hostages, has white text that says: "There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of God." Dozens of heavily-armed police officers wearing protective clothing and helmets have flooded the area with guns drawn. Witnesses have reported hearing loud bangs that sounded like gun shots. One block of Martin Place has been cordoned off between Elizabeth Street and Phillip Street. Police have urged members of the public to avoid the area, and workers from nearby buildings are being told to evacuate to Hyde Park. The Channel Seven building, opposite the cafe, is among those evacuated. Seven producer Patrick Byrne said staff at the network watched the situation unfold. "We raced to the window and saw the shocking and chilling sight of people putting their hands up against the panes of glass at the cafe," he said. "This was just extraordinary. "Then, as we were looking wondering what was going on, it seemed to be like an armed hold-up, more police arrived at Martin Place. "The area was cleared. People were kept back. "It was then that gasps went through the newsroom as an ISIS flag was put up against one of the window panes." Elleanor Gillard, who works in the same building as the cafe, said police had told them to stay inside and away from the doors. "We've just been notifying everyone on the floors above - I'm on the ground - not to come down in the lift because the lifts open up right in the foyer between us and Lindt [Chocolat Cafe]," she said. She said she saw a look of terror on the faces of two hostages who appeared to have been forced up against the glass. "I'm just thinking about the guys in Lindt - the people we see everyday, go in and buy our coffee from them - and I'm sure they're terrified. It must be horrible for them." article link
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 0:35:29 GMT
So scary. I hope everyone gets out safely.
Initial reports said there was an ISIS flag being shown in the window, but that is *not* the case. There is a flag visible that could be related to jihadists, but not ISIS. Just FYI.
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Post by jenjie on Dec 15, 2014 0:35:57 GMT
They are now saying it is NOT an ISIS flag:
"The flag in the window in Martin Place is not an ISIS flag. It reads: ‘There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of God.’"
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zella
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Post by zella on Dec 15, 2014 0:40:42 GMT
I can't believe this is a terrorist act per se; it's very small scale. More likely just a couple of angry people determined to express their passion for their cause.
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Dani-Mani
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Post by Dani-Mani on Dec 15, 2014 0:43:42 GMT
I can't believe this is a terrorist act per se; it's very small scale. More likely just a couple of angry people determined to express their passion for their cause. A terrorist act doesn't have to be large scale. In fact, they just mentioned on the Sydney news that these are the types of acts they expect to see more and more of. It's a lot easier for a terrorist or two to take over a small coffee shop than a large group to try to take over the Sydney Opera House.
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Post by Charlotte on Dec 15, 2014 0:45:43 GMT
As a Lindt chocolate devotee - this is my worst nightmare. Those poor people, they must be terrified.
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Post by nepean on Dec 15, 2014 0:47:45 GMT
This just makes me sick! Though I now live here in the US, that is where I am from, and have walked by that very spot more times then I can count. I am so tired of selfish individuals.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 1:18:33 GMT
I can't believe this is a terrorist act per se; it's very small scale. More likely just a couple of angry people determined to express their passion for their cause. A terrorist act doesn't have to be large scale. In fact, they just mentioned on the Sydney news that these are the types of acts they expect to see more and more of. It's a lot easier for a terrorist or two to take over a small coffee shop than a large group to try to take over the Sydney Opera House.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 1:22:55 GMT
I can't believe this is a terrorist act per se; it's very small scale. More likely just a couple of angry people determined to express their passion for their cause. One article says they are saying there are bombs around the area also. That sounds very terrorist to me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 1:34:31 GMT
I can't believe this is a terrorist act per se; it's very small scale. More likely just a couple of angry people determined to express their passion for their cause. One article says they are saying there are bombs around the area also. That sounds very terrorist to me. I'd be careful about giving much credence to those reports just yet. So often, the confusion surrounding events like this result in a lot of incorrect reports about other actions in the immediate area. It's no mistake IMO that the shop is directly visible from a TV station. They want the publicity and to terrify people. That's terrorism.
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Post by mellyw on Dec 15, 2014 1:37:24 GMT
This is what I believe terrorism will be from now on. We are a global vilage now, something happening in Sydney that may have been side blurb in your morning paper in the past is now beamed directly to our T.V's in real time.
The point on terrorism is to terrorize, & several "small" attacks will play on a national psyche.
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Post by gonewalkabout on Dec 15, 2014 1:44:11 GMT
Oh how awful! I just can't imagine.
I'm not from Sydney, but am familiar with the area they're talking about.
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zella
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Post by zella on Dec 15, 2014 3:55:52 GMT
From a Reuters report:
"Prime Minister Tony Abbott, who has warned of militant plans to strike Australian targets, said there were indications the hostage situation at the Lindt Cafe was politically motivated."
This was what I meant when I said that I doubt it is terrorism per se. A person who robs a bank and takes people hostage while doing so isn't considered a terrorist. Not all violent acts are politically or philosophically motivated.
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Post by miominmio on Dec 15, 2014 6:28:31 GMT
I can't believe this is a terrorist act per se; it's very small scale. More likely just a couple of angry people determined to express their passion for their cause. "Terrorism" are acts intended to cause terror in the public, scale really hasn't anything to do with.
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Post by miominmio on Dec 15, 2014 6:30:45 GMT
From a Reuters report: "Prime Minister Tony Abbott, who has warned of militant plans to strike Australian targets, said there were indications the hostage situation at the Lindt Cafe was politically motivated." This was what I meant when I said that I doubt it is terrorism per se. A person who robs a bank and takes people hostage while doing so isn't considered a terrorist. Not all violent acts are politically or philosophically motivated. No, they're not, but the flag, to me, certainly indicates it 's politically motivated.
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Post by miominmio on Dec 15, 2014 6:35:42 GMT
The point on terrorism is to terrorize This. And it's so much easier to carry out small scale attacks than larger one. Not to mention, targeting "everyday locations", which the public can identify going to, the impact on everyday life might actually be more significang than, for instance, attacks like the one on USS Cole.
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Post by polz on Dec 15, 2014 8:03:21 GMT
Everyone in New Zealand knows someone in Sydney. My cousin facebooked from the train that he was OK. He had just left the city. A colleague's son works 1 block away from that café. His whole building was evacuated. We think we are at the end of the world, but as part of a global village, we are closer than we think.
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Dec 15, 2014 9:28:51 GMT
FTR, Aussie Peas, I think the very senior police official whose statement they have been playing on the news was superb. No grandstanding whatsoever and he inspired the utmost confidence in all that he said. Hoping for a good outcome- thoughts are with you.
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Post by cookiemum on Dec 15, 2014 10:06:26 GMT
I can't believe this is a terrorist act per se; it's very small scale. More likely just a couple of angry people determined to express their passion for their cause. Seriously? Are you for real? As someone who lives here and knows people who are/were on lockdown, it's more than likely some disgruntled person? I don't see how hanging up an Islamic flag and holding people hostage can be seen as anything other than politically motivated.
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Post by Sukkii on Dec 15, 2014 10:33:52 GMT
9 hours ago zella said: I can't believe this is a terrorist act per se; it's very small scale. More likely just a couple of angry people determined to express their passion for their cause.
Two angry men took the life of a Soldier on a street in London last year, they ran him down with a car and proceeded to try to behead him. All in the name of Islam. THAT is terrorism. The Australian Government have said they stopped a plan for 'an Australian Citizen to be be-headed and wrapped in the IS flag. THAT is terrorism.
What is happening now is terrorism at its worst. Normal people will be afraid to do normal things. Just because it is not on the scale of the World Trade Centre does not mean it is not terrorism.
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Post by maryboys on Dec 15, 2014 10:36:55 GMT
this is news to me - UGH! thanks for sharing...off to see what i can find.
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Post by dald222 on Dec 15, 2014 10:38:35 GMT
I saw in my news that 3 people were free..they didn't know if they escaped or let go. This is terrible. I want to offer my thoughts & prayers for all of you people who know someone in Sydney.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 10:43:44 GMT
Oh I do hope that this will end soon and everyone will be safe,what a terrifying time for Australia. Thinking of you all.
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Post by corinne11 on Dec 15, 2014 11:00:14 GMT
We have been watching all day. 5 people have got out of the café, not released but managed to get out, 3 employees and 2 customers. It is pretty well confirmed that it is only one man who has a shotgun or handgun. He is wearing a large backpack which is probably where the bomb threat stuff is coming from. Sadly , because it is being assumed he is Muslim, hate groups and lots of just uneducated, racist people are all over the media saying that it has happened because we have allowed "TERRORISTS" into our country and I even saw on Facebook a post where they claimed the "prime minister has blood on his hands"
It is very scary for the Muslim community because this sort of non factual nonsense gets sent around like it's the truth and somehow ALL Muslims are looked upon with suspicion. Our police are being very careful to not use the word terrorism at all - it is being considered a "siege situation" until further details are known. It's 9:30 pm here now and it started at 9:45 am so hopefully the negotiations will continue and all the hostages will be released unharmed.
Corinne
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Post by lightetc on Dec 15, 2014 11:10:28 GMT
It's been a bit of a crazy day. My colleagues in Sydney were in lock down most of day and sent home early. Depending on what happens tomorrow they'll work from home. I work out of the Sydney office once a week or once a fortnight. Getting lunch in Martin Place is normal. It's all a bit real.
Seriously annoyed at most of our media today. There have been some horrendous headlines, particularly from the Daily Telegraph. But if you need a reminder of the good in the world search twitter for #illridewithyou
Wishing and hoping like crazy for a safe outcome for all the people in the wrong place at the wrong time. And sad that there was a wrong place to be.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 11:17:47 GMT
We have been watching all day. 5 people have got out of the café, not released but managed to get out, 3 employees and 2 customers. It is pretty well confirmed that it is only one man who has a shotgun or handgun. He is wearing a large backpack which is probably where the bomb threat stuff is coming from. Sadly , because it is being assumed he is Muslim, hate groups and lots of just uneducated, racist people are all over the media saying that it has happened because we have allowed "TERRORISTS" into our country and I even saw on Facebook a post where they claimed the "prime minister has blood on his hands"
It is very scary for the Muslim community because this sort of non factual nonsense gets sent around like it's the truth and somehow ALL Muslims are looked upon with suspicion. Our police are being very careful to not use the word terrorism at all - it is being considered a "siege situation" until further details are known. It's 9:30 pm here now and it started at 9:45 am so hopefully the negotiations will continue and all the hostages will be released unharmed.
Corinne Thanks for the update Corinne. Keep safe. I read on one of the reports over here that there's a twitter group called " RideWithYou" where other non Muslims have volunteered to ride on public transport with anyone from the Muslim community to keep them safe. What a wonderful gesture to protect innocent Muslims that have nothing whatsoever to do with the fanatics that are using their faith for their own goals. ETA thanks lightetc I apologize I got the name wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 11:18:00 GMT
So sad and terrifying. My thoughts and prayers go out to all.
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Post by SuPeaNatural on Dec 15, 2014 11:19:19 GMT
It's now over 12 hours since it started. Five people were able to escape from the café, but nobody else has been able to get out. It's still unclear if there are 1 or 2 "armed offenders" (as he is being referred to), and there were 25-30 people taken hostage - the exact number is still unclear. It was reported that there were bombs planted around Sydney, but it's now confirmed that is not the case.
It's still either not known, or not being disclosed if it's a terrorist or just some radical who's acted alone.
Zella, I hope you're right and it is just some angry radical. But while you can't believe it could be a terrorist, I can easily believe it. It doesn't have to be major attack to be terrorist related. A lot of terrorists make small statements like this, because it shows people how easily they can take control. They want to put fear into the average person who is doing everyday things.
ETA: I want to make it clear that, while I can believe it could be a terrorist act, I'm not saying it is one. I'm hoping it isn't and am not judging or assuming anything. It's a very scary time for the hostages and my only concern at the moment is that they all get out safely.
I want to say well done to the people who started and are supporting the "I'll ride with you" movement that has sprung up. Makes me proud to be an Aussie, we really are a caring bunch.
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