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Post by librarylady on Aug 26, 2023 15:31:16 GMT
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 26, 2023 15:35:22 GMT
So they are going to make it for the US but not Canada?
Kleenex is one thing I will NOT go cheap on. I either get Kleenex or Puffs.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Aug 26, 2023 15:35:51 GMT
They weren't making profits on it because people were choosing to purchase cheaper options. Most of the facial tissue was being shipped into Canada, so it cost a lot to supply it, but the demand wasn't there to justify the razor thin profit margin.
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Post by mikklynn on Aug 26, 2023 15:49:34 GMT
That seems so weird!
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Post by librarylady on Aug 26, 2023 15:52:42 GMT
So they are going to make it for the US but not Canada? Kleenex is one thing I will NOT go cheap on. I either get Kleenex or Puffs. The article says it costs too much to ship the Kleenex to Canada......but Kimberly Clark will continue to ship their other brands into Canada. DH says, "Throw some Kleenex on that truck that is carrying diapers or Depends." |
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Post by leannec on Aug 26, 2023 15:59:05 GMT
Whaaaaat?  I love my Kleenex with lotion! Boo Hiss!  |
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Post by milocat on Aug 26, 2023 16:12:07 GMT
I still can't believe this. My mom only bought Kleenex and I only buy Kleenex, now my DD only biys Kleenex also. It's what I've used my whole life. Most people call all facial tissues are c Kleenex but how long will this last if there is no such thing. "We have been operating in a highly constrained supply environment, and despite our best efforts we have been faced with some unique complexities on the Kleenex business." www.ctvnews.ca/business/grab-a-tissue-while-you-can-kleenex-tissues-to-be-discontinued-in-canada-1.6533598 |
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Post by wallyagain on Aug 26, 2023 17:10:37 GMT
This irritates the crap out of me. We are also a Kleenex family. I hate every other brand.
Gah.
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Post by lisae on Aug 26, 2023 17:32:21 GMT
That's a shame for those that like the brand. I buy Puffs. It was one of those things I kept a constant lookout for during the pandemic and never let my supply run out completely.
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Post by cadoodlebug on Aug 26, 2023 17:57:11 GMT
I started buying the Kirkland brand (Costco) over a year ago and like it as much as Kleenex. I also like the patterns/colors on the box more. And it's less expensive.
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Post by roundtwo on Aug 26, 2023 19:04:58 GMT
They are only the latest to leave - Delissio, Buggles, Stouffers. Something is going on...
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Post by quiltz on Aug 26, 2023 19:34:45 GMT
They are only the latest to leave - Delissio, Buggles, Stouffers. Something is going on... Every product has to be in English and French - ALWAYS. Canada uses the metric system so the dimensions and weight must be in metric and then is also in imperial. Canada has different nutritional guidelines that must be put on the labels with food. Canada has barely 40M people compared to the USA 330M people. Gas and transportation fees (toll roads) have increased. There were many issues during Covid that caused backlogs in the distribution routes and companies are now tallying the cost and making changes. Canada has the approx population of the state of California.Would a company make an exception for the State of California and produce differently for this one state or would it be easier to simply ship where the maximum benefit for the least amount of cost? |
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Post by milocat on Aug 26, 2023 19:47:13 GMT
Yes to what quiltz said. The bilingual labels is what lead to our cough syrup shortage. This below sums up Canada's market well, grocery market (3 main companies), cell phone market (3 companies), airline market (2 companies). We have lots of land, few people and very very competitors in each market who seem to be in competition with the consumers rather than each other. "We've talked about, many times, the big grocers occupying an enormous percentage of the market. Well, if you're Kleenex, Kimberly-Clark, you've got to deal with these huge grocers who can really kind of dictate prices to you, (whereas) in the U.S., it's a much larger market with more competitors, more grocers, so Kleenex may have more pricing power in the U.S.” www.google.com/amp/s/beta.ctvnews.ca/national/business/2023/8/25/1_6535251.amp.html |
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Post by roundtwo on Aug 26, 2023 19:55:24 GMT
Every product has to be in English and French - ALWAYS. This was the story I got from someone in the biz but I didn't want to sound bitchy - thanks for taking the fall, lol! It depresses me to no end that less than 20% of the population gets to dictate. As someone mentioned the other day, in over 40 years of forced bilingualism, our numbers have never gone up, only down. And now I can't even use a Kleenex to wipe my tears  |
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Post by paget on Aug 26, 2023 20:03:33 GMT
Oh bummer for Canadians! If you have puffs with lotion that Is my favorite. Then Kleenex next. If I couldn’t have either of those brands I’d rather wipe my nose with the back of my hand or use my sleeve or something. I’m only sort of kidding. 😂
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Post by katlady on Aug 26, 2023 20:55:07 GMT
Would a company make an exception for the State of California and produce differently for this one state or would it be easier to simply ship where the maximum benefit for the least amount of cost? Yes, companies have changed their products just for California, and will continue to do so in the future. Gas is the big one. California has a different blend of gas than the rest of the U.S. It is one reason gas in California is so expensive. Many cleaning products have changed their formulas to comply with California's strict pollution and chemical product laws. There is a warning on a lot of products that only apply to a California law, Prop. 65. If a company wants to sell their product in California, it must have a Prop 65 warning on it if it could possibly cause cancer. And, our some of our candies may be reformulated in 2027 with the banning of red dye #3. If companies want to do business in California, they either have to change their product specifically for California, or just change it globally. |
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Post by Basket1lady on Aug 27, 2023 8:22:35 GMT
Every product has to be in English and French - ALWAYS. This was the story I got from someone in the biz but I didn't want to sound bitchy - thanks for taking the fall, lol! It depresses me to no end that less than 20% of the population gets to dictate. As someone mentioned the other day, in over 40 years of forced bilingualism, our numbers have never gone up, only down. And now I can't even use a Kleenex to wipe my tears  They could just add a sticker to the packaging with metric measurements and French. That’s what they do in Belgium for foreign products. A sticker is added in French, Dutch, and German (official languages of Belgium). Sure, it takes a little bit of time and costs a few cents, but surely that is made up in profit in those areas where these products are popular. |
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Post by uksue on Aug 27, 2023 12:04:49 GMT
I think we should all be moving away from disposable paper products in any case. We use washable bamboo handkerchiefs and it's amazing how quickly my family got used to that.
None of us has had a head cold in years ( one silver lining of COVID hand washing and distancing!) , but I do have some bamboo toilet paper rolls that are quite soft and could be used for the worst days of a cold.
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Post by peabay on Aug 27, 2023 13:15:32 GMT
They are only the latest to leave - Delissio, Buggles, Stouffers. Something is going on... Every product has to be in English and French - ALWAYS. Canada uses the metric system so the dimensions and weight must be in metric and then is also in imperial. Canada has different nutritional guidelines that must be put on the labels with food. Canada has barely 40M people compared to the USA 330M people. Gas and transportation fees (toll roads) have increased. There were many issues during Covid that caused backlogs in the distribution routes and companies are now tallying the cost and making changes. Canada has the approx population of the state of California.Would a company make an exception for the State of California and produce differently for this one state or would it be easier to simply ship where the maximum benefit for the least amount of cost? Thanks - that was really educational and helpful. It all makes sense. |
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Post by cakediva on Aug 27, 2023 13:28:15 GMT
This was the story I got from someone in the biz but I didn't want to sound bitchy - thanks for taking the fall, lol! It depresses me to no end that less than 20% of the population gets to dictate. As someone mentioned the other day, in over 40 years of forced bilingualism, our numbers have never gone up, only down. And now I can't even use a Kleenex to wipe my tears They could just add a sticker to the packaging with metric measurements and French. That’s what they do in Belgium for foreign products. A sticker is added in French, Dutch, and German (official languages of Belgium). Sure, it takes a little bit of time and costs a few cents, but surely that is made up in profit in those areas where these products are popular. It can't just be a sticker - besides the product name, any ingredients list must be in French, along with any sizes as metric over imperial. Foreign products are different - like in the international section of a grocery store (or in the British shop I picked up orange curd at yesterday). Kleenex is a staple, on the shelves in every store across the country. It isn't considered foreign. There are all kinds of silly rules regarding packaging labelling - letter height, what it must contain, dealer name/place of business - it goes on for pages lol. |
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Post by bunnyhug on Aug 27, 2023 14:41:11 GMT
I try to buy Scotties anyway ... manufactured in Canada and the sponsor of the women's curling championship  Plus, the boxes are usually cuter! |
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Post by Basket1lady on Aug 27, 2023 15:21:39 GMT
They could just add a sticker to the packaging with metric measurements and French. That’s what they do in Belgium for foreign products. A sticker is added in French, Dutch, and German (official languages of Belgium). Sure, it takes a little bit of time and costs a few cents, but surely that is made up in profit in those areas where these products are popular. It can't just be a sticker - besides the product name, any ingredients list must be in French, along with any sizes as metric over imperial. Foreign products are different - like in the international section of a grocery store (or in the British shop I picked up orange curd at yesterday). Kleenex is a staple, on the shelves in every store across the country. It isn't considered foreign. There are all kinds of silly rules regarding packaging labelling - letter height, what it must contain, dealer name/place of business - it goes on for pages lol. Interesting that Canada is so much stricter than the EU! As a person with multiple food allergies, I really liked the bolded common allergens. It made it so much easier, even if I did have to translate them. So the sticker can’t contain the list of ingredients and the manufacturer? When we were at NATO, the stickers were huge on products and often were bigger than the original product themselves. (Think of a candy bar with all of that information on it.) Several local grocery stores had large international sections and any non-EU product needed a sticker. They were big and just black and white. |
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Post by katlady on Aug 27, 2023 16:15:26 GMT
I buy foreign food items and they usually put a sticker on the packaging that contains all the necessary US requirements (ingredients, calories, breakdown of fats/proteins/sugar, where it is made, etc). I think the bottom line here is that if the company feels it is worth their time and money to make packaging modifications, they will do it to sell in a particular market. Kleenex just feels the Canadian market is not profitable enough for them.
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Post by OntarioScrapper on Aug 27, 2023 18:21:07 GMT
They are only the latest to leave - Delissio, Buggles, Stouffers. Something is going on... Yeah, Canadian's are going for cheaper stuff. I like Scotties better anyway and can get it cheaper. Don't miss the Delissio pizzas either. They were the most expensive pizzas to buy at my NoFrills. |
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Post by Patter on Aug 27, 2023 21:54:53 GMT
Whaaaaat? I love my Kleenex with lotion! Boo Hiss! I haven't used Kleenex in years and years. I find the Puffs Plus Lotion much better than the Kleenex. Give it a try. |
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Post by librarylady on Aug 27, 2023 22:03:01 GMT
I like Puffs better than Kleenex, but have to purchase Kleenex every now and then because Puffs are out of stock.
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Post by leannec on Aug 27, 2023 22:21:08 GMT
Whaaaaat? I love my Kleenex with lotion! Boo Hiss! I haven't used Kleenex in years and years. I find the Puffs Plus Lotion much better than the Kleenex. Give it a try.  I don't think they sell Puffs in Canada!  |
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Post by ModChick on Aug 27, 2023 22:44:07 GMT
I haven't used Kleenex in years and years. I find the Puffs Plus Lotion much better than the Kleenex. Give it a try. I don't think they sell Puffs in Canada! We have Puffs in Canada. It’s what I use to buy when Kleenex was out of stock. I believe it’s at most big box stores Walmart, Superstore etc. |
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Plus, the boxes are usually cuter!
