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Post by ghislaine on Aug 31, 2023 1:59:16 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 31, 2023 3:18:03 GMT
Great idea. However I have no access to a charging station at home. I live in an apartment building with 12 apartments, as are all the buildings are in the complex. There are 8 parking spots in front of said building one of which it designated handicapped. There are 7 handicapped drivers 3 of whom are senior citizens, 2 with walkers. There are 17 cars belonging to the occupants of the building. Where are we supposed to plug in a vehicle without a parking space other then a common area not near the building?
I'm all for an electric car, there are days, even weeks when don't go out. Do they hold a charge?
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 31, 2023 4:14:22 GMT
That is great. I live rurally and it is 20+ miles to get to town. If I head east, it is 84 miles to the next town. I'd have to hope that they have multiple chargers and that they work and aren't broken or I'd be stuck.
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Post by Clair on Aug 31, 2023 5:26:29 GMT
This idea makes great sense for many areas of the country. Especially less populated areas where people generally drive longer distances in their daily life and need to charge more often
I think the realities of driving an EV are much different than what most non owners think. People I know charge as often as they would have gotten gas. I’m not looking for chargers on a daily or weekly basis. Many cars have have long range capabilities. I get just shy of 300 miles on an 80 percent charge - optimal charge for battery life. I charge about every three weeks. I can charge at home overnight (a few hours) or at a public level 2 charger. My car takes about 20 minutes (from 20 to 80percent) on a level 2 charger.
There is a public charger I use (because it’s free to me) that has network issues and I have come across non working chargers but there are always others available. But I can see where it would be an issue in areas with less chargers.
My biggest issue (for lack of a better word) with public chargers is knowing how long the cars on the chargers will be and waiting etiquette since you wait in parking spots rather than lines like at a gas station. These have been non issues because there seems to be a sense of community amongst Ev drivers at the chargers and everyone helps each other out.
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Post by Zee on Aug 31, 2023 5:27:37 GMT
EVs are not going to be practical until people can have two batteries in the vehicle, one charging and one being used, that can be switched out.
I wish I had the money and brains to pursue this angle. Certainly it's not Mission Impossible.
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Post by Clair on Aug 31, 2023 5:39:24 GMT
EVs are not going to be practical until people can have two batteries in the vehicle, one charging and one being used, that can be switched out. I wish I had the money and brains to pursue this angle. Certainly it's not Mission Impossible. Why is a second battery needed? It’s a lot of weight added to the vehicle and with extended ranges and rapid charging capabilities it really isn’t necessary im most areas.
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Post by Zee on Aug 31, 2023 6:10:38 GMT
EVs are not going to be practical until people can have two batteries in the vehicle, one charging and one being used, that can be switched out. I wish I had the money and brains to pursue this angle. Certainly it's not Mission Impossible. Why is a second battery needed? It’s a lot of weight added to the vehicle and with extended ranges and rapid charging capabilities it really isn’t necessary im most areas. For a road trip? For not having to stop to charge for hours? For not needing to pay to charge while you're at work for 12+ hours? For when you live in an apartment? For when you commute 2+ hours every day? For when you're going to be in the backwoods? For when you don't have time to charge for hours? To eliminate the need for an entire infrastructure change? If the spare could be charged by the car itself, that would be the answer to the problem. I have no idea how heavy they are but that would certainly need to be improved. Hopefully it will some day, just like computers that used to take up an entire room are now in your cell phone.
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Post by Clair on Aug 31, 2023 6:35:13 GMT
Why is a second battery needed? It’s a lot of weight added to the vehicle and with extended ranges and rapid charging capabilities it really isn’t necessary im most areas. For a road trip? For not having to stop to charge for hours? For not needing to pay to charge while you're at work for 12+ hours? For when you live in an apartment? For when you commute 2+ hours every day? For when you're going to be in the backwoods? For when you don't have time to charge for hours? To eliminate the need for an entire infrastructure change? If the spare could be charged by the car itself, that would be the answer to the problem. I have no idea how heavy they are but that would certainly need to be improved. Hopefully it will some day, just like computers that used to take up an entire room are now in your cell phone. Respectfully - in many newer evs these aren’t really issues. My EV’s range is 60 miles more than my gas car was. My car takes 20 minutes to charge at a level 2 charger. Charging at work is often less per kw hour than home rates. Backwoods - unless I’m driving over 250 miles into the backwoods I’m good. I didn’t get a home charger for three months because it wasn’t necessary A 20 minute charge on a public charger and I’m good for 280 plus miles. I had many of these concerns before I got my car - it’s a thing called range anxiety. After having my car about a week I realized there was no need for my range anxiety.
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Post by Zee on Aug 31, 2023 8:35:01 GMT
For a road trip? For not having to stop to charge for hours? For not needing to pay to charge while you're at work for 12+ hours? For when you live in an apartment? For when you commute 2+ hours every day? For when you're going to be in the backwoods? For when you don't have time to charge for hours? To eliminate the need for an entire infrastructure change? If the spare could be charged by the car itself, that would be the answer to the problem. I have no idea how heavy they are but that would certainly need to be improved. Hopefully it will some day, just like computers that used to take up an entire room are now in your cell phone. Respectfully - in many newer evs these aren’t really issues. My EV’s range is 60 miles more than my gas car was. My car takes 20 minutes to charge at a level 2 charger. Charging at work is often less per kw hour than home rates. Backwoods - unless I’m driving over 250 miles into the backwoods I’m good. I didn’t get a home charger for three months because it wasn’t necessary A 20 minute charge on a public charger and I’m good for 280 plus miles. I had many of these concerns before I got my car - it’s a thing called range anxiety. After having my car about a week I realized there was no need for my range anxiety. Those things are good to know but you'll never convince me I don't need to be anxious about it! 🤪 I only know of one charging station in the next town over (granted, I know I can Google, but it sounds pretty inconvenient) and there is no charging at work. How long does the battery typically hold a charge? I still know I'm on to something. The appeal would be a lot greater if one didn't have to rely on a practically non-existent infrastructure. And I didn't even know about the need for an app and all that. I thought you just put in a credit card and plugged in. I'll hold out until they drag me kicking and screaming. I would have been the horse holdout in the early 20th century for sure. 😁
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Post by compeateropeator on Aug 31, 2023 10:26:07 GMT
Respectfully - in many newer evs these aren’t really issues. My EV’s range is 60 miles more than my gas car was. My car takes 20 minutes to charge at a level 2 charger. Charging at work is often less per kw hour than home rates. Backwoods - unless I’m driving over 250 miles into the backwoods I’m good. I didn’t get a home charger for three months because it wasn’t necessary A 20 minute charge on a public charger and I’m good for 280 plus miles. I had many of these concerns before I got my car - it’s a thing called range anxiety. After having my car about a week I realized there was no need for my range anxiety. Those things are good to know but you'll never convince me I don't need to be anxious about it! 🤪 I only know of one charging station in the next town over (granted, I know I can Google, but it sounds pretty inconvenient) and there is no charging at work. How long does the battery typically hold a charge? I still know I'm on to something. The appeal would be a lot greater if one didn't have to rely on a practically non-existent infrastructure. And I didn't even know about the need for an app and all that. I thought you just put in a credit card and plugged in. I'll hold out until they drag me kicking and screaming. I would have been the horse holdout in the early 20th century for sure. 😁 I am kind of with Zee on this. I would go hybrid but am hesitant about totally electrical until we have a much better infrastructure in place. What is going to happen in all these places that already have electrical grid problems, brown outs, etc because of extreme heat, cold, or natural disasters if they had millions of cars trying to charge too? I also think that we need to think about what we are going to do with the disposal of all these batteries. So while I think they are a great idea, I think we need to put the horse before the cart and figure out infrastructure and logistics some before requiring cars to be all electric.
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 31, 2023 10:32:42 GMT
For a road trip? For not having to stop to charge for hours? For not needing to pay to charge while you're at work for 12+ hours? For when you live in an apartment? For when you commute 2+ hours every day? For when you're going to be in the backwoods? For when you don't have time to charge for hours? To eliminate the need for an entire infrastructure change? If the spare could be charged by the car itself, that would be the answer to the problem. I have no idea how heavy they are but that would certainly need to be improved. Hopefully it will some day, just like computers that used to take up an entire room are now in your cell phone. Respectfully - in many newer evs these aren’t really issues. My EV’s range is 60 miles more than my gas car was. My car takes 20 minutes to charge at a level 2 charger. Charging at work is often less per kw hour than home rates. Backwoods - unless I’m driving over 250 miles into the backwoods I’m good. I didn’t get a home charger for three months because it wasn’t necessary A 20 minute charge on a public charger and I’m good for 280 plus miles. I had many of these concerns before I got my car - it’s a thing called range anxiety. After having my car about a week I realized there was no need for my range anxiety. again, it is going to depend on where you live. In some areas, it absolutely is an issue. I drive more than 300 miles in 3 weeks. Cold makes the batteries not last as long. Wind does that too. Going uphill lowers the ramge.Not everybody lives in a city with charging options. Also, if you run out of charge, it isn't like someone can bring you a gas can, so what happens?
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 31, 2023 10:34:51 GMT
Respectfully - in many newer evs these aren’t really issues. My EV’s range is 60 miles more than my gas car was. My car takes 20 minutes to charge at a level 2 charger. Charging at work is often less per kw hour than home rates. Backwoods - unless I’m driving over 250 miles into the backwoods I’m good. I didn’t get a home charger for three months because it wasn’t necessary A 20 minute charge on a public charger and I’m good for 280 plus miles. I had many of these concerns before I got my car - it’s a thing called range anxiety. After having my car about a week I realized there was no need for my range anxiety. Those things are good to know but you'll never convince me I don't need to be anxious about it! 🤪 I only know of one charging station in the next town over (granted, I know I can Google, but it sounds pretty inconvenient) and there is no charging at work. How long does the battery typically hold a charge? I still know I'm on to something. The appeal would be a lot greater if one didn't have to rely on a practically non-existent infrastructure. And I didn't even know about the need for an app and all that. I thought you just put in a credit card and plugged in. I'll hold out until they drag me kicking and screaming. I would have been the horse holdout in the early 20th century for sure. 😁 doe some, the app just gives you a lower price. For others you have to pay through the app. And different chargers are owned by different companies, so it is multiple apps
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Post by lindas on Aug 31, 2023 11:18:37 GMT
Like Zee you’re going to have to drag me kicking and screaming. Half the time I forget to plug the battery tender into the one car I have that gets driven only occasionally, I don’t want to fool with an electric car. While you go 280 miles then sit for 20 mins to charge up I go over 400 miles then spend 5 mins at the gas pump. The only things I want to look for on a road trip are a restaurant and a decent hotel, I don’t want to have to add a charging station to that list. I’m currently in the market for a new car but it won’t be electric.
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Post by seaexplore on Aug 31, 2023 13:23:00 GMT
I’m another kicking and screaming. I love my Dodge Charger that is no longer going to be made. I hope another another before they’re no more that will carry my into the next 15 years. Mine has 180k on it. This is the last year they are making them. 😢
I drive rural almost exclusively. My car gets 550 miles per tank. I fill more than once a week. My daily route yesterday was over 300 miles and I don’t have time to stop off for a bit and charge my car. I cannot charge it at school, they will not allow it. The cars that can go 300 miles are way more than I can afford.
But, let’s all ohhh and ahhh over the car they tested….. my dream car… A Lucid. I do actually love them. They are beautiful cars. There’s one I drool over every morning as it passes me.
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Post by lizacreates on Aug 31, 2023 13:32:11 GMT
Respectfully - in many newer evs these aren’t really issues. My EV’s range is 60 miles more than my gas car was. My car takes 20 minutes to charge at a level 2 charger. Charging at work is often less per kw hour than home rates. Backwoods - unless I’m driving over 250 miles into the backwoods I’m good. I didn’t get a home charger for three months because it wasn’t necessary A 20 minute charge on a public charger and I’m good for 280 plus miles. I had many of these concerns before I got my car - it’s a thing called range anxiety. After having my car about a week I realized there was no need for my range anxiety. again, it is going to depend on where you live. In some areas, it absolutely is an issue. I drive more than 300 miles in 3 weeks. Cold makes the batteries not last as long. Wind does that too. Going uphill lowers the ramge.Not everybody lives in a city with charging options. Also, if you run out of charge, it isn't like someone can bring you a gas can, so what happens? And it’s not really that great even in my city, the third largest in the country. The shopping center I go to has one charger in the whole massive parking lot that holds hundreds of cars. In my zip code where there are literally thousands of cars, there are four public chargers. There are over a million vehicles in my city. There are about 600 public charging stations. What if just half of all these vehicles were EVs—how would one get one’s car reliably charged? That’s even assuming all these chargers are in good working condition round the clock. If you have a house, you can deal; if you don’t, you’ll just have to find one somewhere. Compare that to having gas stations at practically less than a mile wherever you are in the city (some areas even have 3-4 gas stations within one block), with each station having 6-9 pumps. The slow EV adoption rate in my state isn’t about being Luddites. It’s about realities and practicalities. Just out of curiosity, I looked at some polling: “Nearly 80% of the public cite the lack of charging infrastructure as a primary reason for not buying an EV, a concern that was consistent among residents from cities, suburbs and rural areas.”
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Post by Merge on Aug 31, 2023 13:35:57 GMT
I’m not aware of any state that has required that all cars be electric - only that all new cars be electric. Those who prefer an internal combustion engine can keep driving their old car. This natural phase in/out will allow for infrastructure to be built to support charging.
FWIW, I have driven remote places in my life where there was literally no gas station for a hundred miles on the direction I was going. Far northeastern Colorado into the Nebraska panhandle comes to mind. On one memorable occasion, we coasted into the only gas station in the middle of the Kansas turnpike (hundreds of miles) literally running on fumes. So the need to refuel and the possibility of running out of fuel/power isn’t limited to electric cars.
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Post by Basket1lady on Aug 31, 2023 15:00:19 GMT
When we bought a car in May, we really considered an EV. I want to be part of the solution, not the problem.
But the reality just isn’t there for us yet. When we go to see our DD in DC, we drive almost 700 miles in a day. That would be 2 charges during the day and the additional need to charge that night. That’s at least another 90 minutes added to an already long 14 hour travel day.
Then there’s the huge issue of battery life. DD’s roommate has an EV and the battery is at the end of its life and has been so for several years. She’s replaced the battery once for approximately $8,000 and it needs replacing again. She’s a law student and can’t afford to replace it or the car, so she’s limping along for another year. She can only drive about 30 minutes before needing a charge. Needless to say, this limits her. She has to pick a grocery store that has a charger, she needs a charger at school, she had to choose the apartment with a charger, etc. It’s very stressful and limiting.
I’m all for an EV, but I don’t think that we are there yet.
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Post by iowgirl on Aug 31, 2023 15:03:06 GMT
EVs are not going to be practical until people can have two batteries in the vehicle, one charging and one being used, that can be switched out. Two batteries would be HEAVY! Currently EV cars, even the lightest ones, weight more than many cars. A light electric car can weight 20% more than a traditional SUV. I also think having more batteries is not a solution at this time. The pollution and environmental harm from Lithium mining is something that needs to be addressed. It's not in our backyard, so it often isn't associated with EV, but it should be. Labor standards for those mining the lithium are weak, so it causes great harm to them also. Then what happens to these EV batteries after they no longer hold a charge? Recycle? Hopefully, but that isn't a given. I know technology will bring things along, but EV isn't the environmental savior at the moment. If the spare could be charged by the car itself, that would be the answer to the problem. It would require an alternator to charge the battery, but the alternator requires more energy than it can generate to charge the battery. Again - technology may solve some of these issues. Trains are evolving in how they charge themselves, so hopefully new knowledge will come with time. My current vehicle has over a 700 mile range. I just drove a little over 600 miles yesterday and I have just under 1/4 tank left in my truck. The EV equivalent with the high range battery would go 320 miles. If I had a load or was towing, that electric range drops significantly. If it is cold, and I do live in a cold climate - it goes to unusable range. I don't know how tractors and large trucks would work for farms. The need for a tractor to run 18 to 24 hours a day is normal. During busy seasons a 15 hour day is normal, if not a little short. We have had to power generators that had our tractor running for over 14 DAYS without ever powering down.
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Post by Zee on Aug 31, 2023 19:38:35 GMT
EVs are not going to be practical until people can have two batteries in the vehicle, one charging and one being used, that can be switched out. Two batteries would be HEAVY! Currently EV cars, even the lightest ones, weight more than many cars. A light electric car can weight 20% more than a traditional SUV. I also think having more batteries is not a solution at this time. The pollution and environmental harm from Lithium mining is something that needs to be addressed. It's not in our backyard, so it often isn't associated with EV, but it should be. Labor standards for those mining the lithium are weak, so it causes great harm to them also. Then what happens to these EV batteries after they no longer hold a charge? Recycle? Hopefully, but that isn't a given. I know technology will bring things along, but EV isn't the environmental savior at the moment. If the spare could be charged by the car itself, that would be the answer to the problem. It would require an alternator to charge the battery, but the alternator requires more energy than it can generate to charge the battery. Again - technology may solve some of these issues. Trains are evolving in how they charge themselves, so hopefully new knowledge will come with time. My current vehicle has over a 700 mile range. I just drove a little over 600 miles yesterday and I have just under 1/4 tank left in my truck. The EV equivalent with the high range battery would go 320 miles. If I had a load or was towing, that electric range drops significantly. If it is cold, and I do live in a cold climate - it goes to unusable range. I don't know how tractors and large trucks would work for farms. The need for a tractor to run 18 to 24 hours a day is normal. During busy seasons a 15 hour day is normal, if not a little short. We have had to power generators that had our tractor running for over 14 DAYS without ever powering down. As I mentioned above, two computers used to be heavy and all they could do was add. Now they're the size of cell phones. Certainly technology will advance.
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Post by ghislaine on Sept 1, 2023 2:33:48 GMT
I've forwarded this to my town's Energy Committee. I know they were hoping to have EV chargers set up at the Town Hall but weren't able to get the funding. Adding outdoor 50 Amp outlets might be within their budget though!
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Post by librarylady on Sept 1, 2023 2:56:25 GMT
Why is everyone ignoring hybrid vehicles? With a hybrid there is no charging needed as the vehicle charges itself when it is running on gas. I can run errands and get 35-40 mpg in town.
Our city has charging stations at the library, city hall and police station. I do volunteer work at the police station and today was the first time I have seen someone charging there. It made me wonder what the owners do while the car is charging. At the library there are things to do with your time, but at the police station, not a lot of choices.
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Post by seaexplore on Sept 1, 2023 3:13:05 GMT
Why is everyone ignoring hybrid vehicles? With a hybrid there is no charging needed as the vehicle charges itself when it is running on gas. I can run errands and get 35-40 mpg in town. Our city has charging stations at the library, city hall and police station. I do volunteer work at the police station and today was the first time I have seen someone charging there. It made me wonder what the owners do while the car is charging. At the library there are things to do with your time, but at the police station, not a lot of choices. Because in CA at least, they are not looking at selling hybrids anymore- just EV.
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Post by scrappinghappy on Sept 1, 2023 3:26:58 GMT
I drive a Tesla and we also have a gas powered car. We plug the Tesla in whenever it's in our garage, force of habit, but it only charges at night when electricity is cheapest.
We bought the Tesla because of the Tesla charging infrastructure and there is a supercharger station less than 2 miles from our house yet I can count on both hands the number of times we have charged at a station.
Knowing how we use our current EV, I'd buy another EV in a heartbeat but not if it were our only vehicle.
The range and it's limitations suck. The Tesla is for daily driving around town, and we use it exclusively for just that but any time we are driving more than 200 miles we take the other car. We've tried the Tesla and it's a hassle and adds a lot of additional time to every journey.
I will say, if you drive an EV, trips are also about the journey and not just the destination. There is no rushing in an EV: speeding, wind drag, temperature, terrain all effect the range. Recharging takes time - much, much longer than a gas fill, so enjoy the ride, it's part of the joy of getting there - or just stay closer to home.
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Post by seaexplore on Sept 1, 2023 3:38:07 GMT
I drive a Tesla and we also have a gas powered car. We plug the Tesla in whenever it's in our garage, force of habit, but it only charges at night when electricity is cheapest. We bought the Tesla because of the Tesla charging infrastructure and there is a supercharger station less than 2 miles from our house yet I can count on both hands the number of times we have charged at a station. Knowing how we use our current EV, I'd buy another EV in a heartbeat but not if it were our only vehicle. The range and it's limitations suck. The Tesla is for daily driving around town, and we use it exclusively for just that but any time we are driving more than 200 miles we take the other car. We've tried the Tesla and it's a hassle and adds a lot of additional time to every journey. I will say, if you drive an EV, trips are also about the journey and not just the destination. There is no rushing in an EV: speeding, wind drag, temperature, terrain all affect the range. Recharging takes time - much, much longer than a gas fill, so enjoy the ride, it's part of the joy of getting there - or just stay closer to home. I like to drive FAST. 😂 I think that you are smart to have a gas car and an electric car. I never have "extra time" when doing things. I have to get there and get it done and taken care of. At this point in my life there aren't many leisurely journeys. We do combine trips as much as possible to limit our miles driven since gas is almost $5/gallon right now here.
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Post by Clair on Sept 1, 2023 4:21:11 GMT
I drive a Tesla and we also have a gas powered car. We plug the Tesla in whenever it's in our garage, force of habit, but it only charges at night when electricity is cheapest. We bought the Tesla because of the Tesla charging infrastructure and there is a supercharger station less than 2 miles from our house yet I can count on both hands the number of times we have charged at a station. Knowing how we use our current EV, I'd buy another EV in a heartbeat but not if it were our only vehicle. The range and it's limitations suck. The Tesla is for daily driving around town, and we use it exclusively for just that but any time we are driving more than 200 miles we take the other car. We've tried the Tesla and it's a hassle and adds a lot of additional time to every journey. I will say, if you drive an EV, trips are also about the journey and not just the destination. There is no rushing in an EV: speeding, wind drag, temperature, terrain all effect the range. Recharging takes time - much, much longer than a gas fill, so enjoy the ride, it's part of the joy of getting there - or just stay closer to home. I was seriously considering a Tesla because of the charging infrastructure but changed my mind at the last minute. Hoping Tesla expands the magic docks soon. Living in SoCal on the coast - everyone speeds (unless traffic is stopped🤣) but temps are mostly mild and terrain is pretty flat - optimal for EVs. I think LA/Orange county EV ownership is quite different than most places - public chargers are everywhere and driving conditions are optimal. In all fairness - I had my first bad experience at a charger today. The network was out and my favorite chargers weren’t working. I didn’t really need a charge so I went home. Could be a problem for some. My brother lives in a fairly rural area - an ev wouldn’t work but a hybrid works.
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Post by beaglemom on Sept 1, 2023 5:58:35 GMT
We have 2 EVs and have had them since 2016. I have never had an issue with charging. We drove from CO to CA this summer and it was great. We had 4 kids and 2 dogs with us. We had to stop every 2-3 hours to charge. It was just enough time for everyone (humans and dogs) to go to the bathroom, grab a snack or drink if needed, and stretch our legs. I never had any issues with having to wait for a charging spot, we have unlimited supercharging on ours so it was free to charge. We never had trouble finding a hotel/bathroom/food near a charger. We have a Suburban as a "backup" vehicle (drove it to Mexico). But 99.9% of the time we drive the EVs. I have never "run out" of charge. We love our cars and I don't plan to ever buy another gas vehicle again.
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Post by scrappinghappy on Sept 1, 2023 11:45:46 GMT
I drive a Tesla and we also have a gas powered car. We plug the Tesla in whenever it's in our garage, force of habit, but it only charges at night when electricity is cheapest. We bought the Tesla because of the Tesla charging infrastructure and there is a supercharger station less than 2 miles from our house yet I can count on both hands the number of times we have charged at a station. Knowing how we use our current EV, I'd buy another EV in a heartbeat but not if it were our only vehicle. The range and it's limitations suck. The Tesla is for daily driving around town, and we use it exclusively for just that but any time we are driving more than 200 miles we take the other car. We've tried the Tesla and it's a hassle and adds a lot of additional time to every journey. I will say, if you drive an EV, trips are also about the journey and not just the destination. There is no rushing in an EV: speeding, wind drag, temperature, terrain all affect the range. Recharging takes time - much, much longer than a gas fill, so enjoy the ride, it's part of the joy of getting there - or just stay closer to home. I like to drive FAST. 😂 I think that you are smart to have a gas car and an electric car. I never have "extra time" when doing things. I have to get there and get it done and taken care of. At this point in my life there aren't many leisurely journeys. We do combine trips as much as possible to limit our miles driven since gas is almost $5/gallon right now here. Me too, hence the Tesla. But it comes at a price. Our son was at school 182 miles from our house. There is a super charger in that town. I would charge my car to 100% and limp into town, then have to charge again before i got home. DH drives at a more sedate pace. He can easily make it all the way there, charge, and make it all the way home on that 80% charge.
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