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Post by merry27 on Sept 30, 2023 13:02:25 GMT
I know there are many more serious issues to be concerned about with a possible shutdown, but I have a flight on Tuesday and am starting to worry about it. How would a shutdown affect air travel? Will it happen immediately? We are going to Yellowstone and Grand Teton National Park and I read that those could be affected too.
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Post by ellen on Sept 30, 2023 13:09:39 GMT
Air traffic controllers and TSA agents won’t get paid. Be prepared for longer lines and delays.
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Post by breetheflea on Sept 30, 2023 13:39:13 GMT
National parks will be closed.
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Post by elaine on Sept 30, 2023 13:41:32 GMT
National parks will be closed. This. National Parks will be closed. That will impact your trip more than airport issues, I fear. |
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Post by merry27 on Sept 30, 2023 13:47:27 GMT
Will the parks shut down immediately? Ugh.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Sept 30, 2023 13:48:21 GMT
Air traffic controllers and TSA agents won’t get paid. Be prepared for longer lines and delays. Last night I came home from Germany and had to go thru customs at Washington Dulles Airport. Out of 50 booths, there were FOUR open. I took a picture of the line of empty stalls. Now, yes, we were a late flight, but you KNOW we weren't the only flight and people were desperately trying to get thru to make connections (our plane was 30 min late). They know how many flights are coming. I was joking that "the govt hadnt even shut down yet!" but its really not a joke. These are the services our country needs and I am just tired of it all. |
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Post by Bridget in MD on Sept 30, 2023 13:51:18 GMT
Will the parks shut down immediately? Ugh. I can't remember (getting confused with COVID), but were the parks shut down or the rangers drastically reduced? I feel like the parks were open but no one was there to monitor, so tons of damage (at Joshua Tree) happened. I am so sorry  |
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Post by elaine on Sept 30, 2023 13:59:14 GMT
Will the parks shut down immediately? Ugh. Unless they have surplus funds from previous years (not likely) to pay operating costs, yes. |
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Post by caangel on Sept 30, 2023 14:49:51 GMT
We arw going on a family trip to Asia in Dec. My nephews apply for their passport renewal a month or so a go and there was a 13(?) Week wait which means they would come just in time. A shut down would extend that even longer. 😬😵💫
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Post by TXMary on Sept 30, 2023 15:00:33 GMT
Will the parks shut down immediately? Ugh. I can't remember (getting confused with COVID), but were the parks shut down or the rangers drastically reduced? I feel like the parks were open but no one was there to monitor, so tons of damage (at Joshua Tree) happened. I am so sorry  We were on a cruise out of Florida during a government shutdown once and were supposed to do an excursion to Everglades National Park on the way to the airport. It was canceled because the park was closed due to the shutdown. |
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Post by buddysmom on Sept 30, 2023 15:02:09 GMT
I remember on one of the prior shutdowns, the govt specifically had employees put cones out to block the pull-offs so that people could not pull off to the side of the road on the free national parks--like the Smokies. Instead of "doing nothing" they inconvenienced people more. So people just moved the cones so that they could park at the pull offs. That really PO'ed me that they would specifically do that.
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Post by myshelly on Sept 30, 2023 15:08:24 GMT
Will the parks shut down immediately? Ugh. The articles I read said that for national parks with entrance gates, the gates would be closed and locked immediately. For parks with open access, amenities such as restrooms, visitors centers, parking lots, etc. would be closed. |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Sept 30, 2023 15:23:58 GMT
Will the parks shut down immediately? Ugh. I can't remember (getting confused with COVID), but were the parks shut down or the rangers drastically reduced? I feel like the parks were open but no one was there to monitor, so tons of damage (at Joshua Tree) happened. I am so sorry I think during a previous shut down they tried a limited opening of the parks, but between overflowing trash and vandalism it was a mess. I hear anything that can possibly be closed or locked will be - I'm pretty sure the main roads into yellowstone can be locked, so expect this to have a huge impact on your trip. TSA and air traffic control are essential services, so in theory they should still be on the job while being unpaid. Last time it was a month or so before they started sickouts that essentially shut down a few major hubs. So whether air travel will be impacted immediately or not is unknown. |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Sept 30, 2023 15:25:32 GMT
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Post by breetheflea on Sept 30, 2023 15:38:04 GMT
I remember on one of the prior shutdowns, the govt specifically had employees put cones out to block the pull-offs so that people could not pull off to the side of the road on the free national parks--like the Smokies. Instead of "doing nothing" they inconvenienced people more. So people just moved the cones so that they could park at the pull offs. That really PO'ed me that they would specifically do that. When Covid first hit here, they closed all the rest stops so no one, including truckers, could use the bathroom... Your POffedness reminded me of this. |
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Post by elaine on Sept 30, 2023 15:38:53 GMT
I remember on one of the prior shutdowns, the govt specifically had employees put cones out to block the pull-offs so that people could not pull off to the side of the road on the free national parks--like the Smokies. Instead of "doing nothing" they inconvenienced people more. So people just moved the cones so that they could park at the pull offs. That really PO'ed me that they would specifically do that. It is illegal to park in the Smoky Mountain National Park for more than 15 minutes without a parking tag. Since there was no one available to sell those tags, people who moved those cones and parked did it illegally. |
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Post by cmpeter on Sept 30, 2023 16:03:19 GMT
I have two trips in October and hadn’t even thought about the impact on my flights. Ugh…
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Post by elaine on Sept 30, 2023 16:29:39 GMT
It is illegal to park in the Smoky Mountain National Park for more than 15 minutes without a parking tag. Since there was no one available to sell those tags, people who moved those cones and parked did it illegally. I have a lifetime access card to National Parks that does not require renewal. Also, day passes can be purchased in advance in some parks, as well as annual pass holders. The Smoky Mountain Park parking passes are separate from National Park access passes. |
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Post by ntsf on Sept 30, 2023 16:34:46 GMT
it was the republicans who wanted to eat their cake and do govt shutdowns.. so they let some parks remain opened without services. it was a disaster.. some states tried to give money to major parks to stay open.. there is talk now that that move was not legal.
so expect the parks to close.. and have thoughts for all the federal contractors who will just not be paid and no backpay given..
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Post by merry27 on Sept 30, 2023 16:37:06 GMT
Will the parks shut down immediately? Ugh. The articles I read said that for national parks with entrance gates, the gates would be closed and locked immediately. For parks with open access, amenities such as restrooms, visitors centers, parking lots, etc. would be closed. Yellowstone posted on their website that they will shut down all entrances and lock the gates if there is a Government shutdown. |
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Post by FuzzyMutt on Sept 30, 2023 16:38:57 GMT
I have a lifetime access card to National Parks that does not require renewal. Also, day passes can be purchased in advance in some parks, as well as annual pass holders. The Smoky Mountain Park parking passes are separate from National Park access passes. Lol I deleted my post because I decided afterward I didn’t care enough to be in the conversation. But, since I did post, I’ll reply. The Smokey Mtn National Park parking pass is also sold as an annual (as your pasted guidelines says.) So, again I will say, it is not necessarily true that people parking did so illegally. Also.. that parking pass just became a thing in March 1, of 2023, so… even without said parking pass, it wasn’t illegal. |
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Post by myshelly on Sept 30, 2023 17:05:55 GMT
The articles I read said that for national parks with entrance gates, the gates would be closed and locked immediately. For parks with open access, amenities such as restrooms, visitors centers, parking lots, etc. would be closed. Yellowstone posted on their website that they will shut down all entrances and lock the gates if there is a Government shutdown. What are you going to do about your trip? I know a retired couple who saved for years to do a big road trip covering a lot of states and national parks. Today is the exact half way point of their trip and the second half is going to be ruined. I feel so awful for them. |
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Post by merry27 on Sept 30, 2023 17:28:49 GMT
Yellowstone posted on their website that they will shut down all entrances and lock the gates if there is a Government shutdown. What are you going to do about your trip? I know a retired couple who saved for years to do a big road trip covering a lot of states and national parks. Today is the exact half way point of their trip and the second half is going to be ruined. I feel so awful for them. I feel so bad for them. We will still go. It was a last minute trip and we can still go to Jackson Hole and Grand Teton National park will close but you can still drive through it. There just won’t be staff there. |
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Post by monklady123 on Sept 30, 2023 17:56:50 GMT
We arw going on a family trip to Asia in Dec. My nephews apply for their passport renewal a month or so a go and there was a 13(?) Week wait which means they would come just in time. A shut down would extend that even longer. 😬😵💫 It won't make it longer because most of Consular Affairs (which is who does your passports) works on fees not appropriations. So they'll be "as fast or as slow as they always are" (a quote from my dh who works for State, although not in Consular Affairs). |
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Sept 30, 2023 18:01:38 GMT
I am crossing my fingers the shutdown will be done by mid October, but that’s when we leave for our trip to Jackson/Tetons/Yellowstone.
We are driving and planning on going either way. If it looks like it’s going to affect the entire trip, we may cancel half our nights in Jackson (6 total) and start heading back and stay near Big Horn Mts or Badlands—or head towards Colorado. (Unlikely)
Colorado and Utah are saying they are using state funds to stay open. Grand Canyon as well. There is talk of Montana and SoDak also.
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Post by aj2hall on Sept 30, 2023 19:18:03 GMT
The House passed a bi=partisan bill to fund the government for 45 days www.nytimes.com/live/2023/09/30/us/government-shutdown-newsIn a stunning turnabout, the House on Saturday approved a stopgap plan to avert a government shutdown that was less than 12 hours away as a coalition of Republicans and Democrats backed a last-ditch proposal hastily put forward by Speaker Kevin McCarthy.
The measure, which still must pass the Senate, would keep money flowing to government agencies through mid-November and provide billions of dollars for disaster recovery efforts. But it did not include money for Ukraine, a major sticking point for Democrats in the House and Senate.
209 Democrats voted and 126 Republicans voted for the bill. Yet again, when it came down to the wire, Speaker Kevin McCarthy had to rely on Democratic votes.
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Post by rune2484 on Sept 30, 2023 21:28:21 GMT
I was just this morning watching an interesting video that goes into the history of National Parks and government shutdowns. In case any of you are also interested:
National Parks Diaries is one of my favorite YouTube creators. If you like learning about our National Parks his content is well worth your time.
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Post by gotranch on Sept 30, 2023 23:18:45 GMT
I am crossing my fingers the shutdown will be done by mid October, but that’s when we leave for our trip to Jackson/Tetons/Yellowstone. We are driving and planning on going either way. If it looks like it’s going to affect the entire trip, we may cancel half our nights in Jackson (6 total) and start heading back and stay near Big Horn Mts or Badlands—or head towards Colorado. (Unlikely) Colorado and Utah are saying they are using state funds to stay open. Grand Canyon as well. There is talk of Montana and SoDak also. The Badland National Park and Mount Rushmore National Park in SD will remain open with limited services (such as locked bathrooms, etc). They have an agreement with the state. |
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Post by edie3 on Oct 1, 2023 0:04:13 GMT
But all those congressmen will get paid.  |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 1, 2023 0:33:54 GMT
Well 45 days to get their shit together. Shutting down right before the holidays certainly isn't going to be any more popular than now.
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