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Post by Lexica on Oct 23, 2023 21:19:05 GMT
I am currently watching Atypical on Netflix. The actor playing Sam, Keir Gilchrist, is doing an amazing job. If it were not for my desire to watch him in this, I would have stopped because of Jennifer Jason Leigh’s face. Why do so many gorgeous women ruin their features with plastic surgery and fillers? She resembles the Joker when she smiles now. It is actually bothersome to watch her face so I end up looking away every time she is in a scene. I think she is a really good actor, I just struggle to look at her face now.
And it isn’t just women. I audibly gasped the first time I saw Kenny Rogers after his surgeries. He was a gorgeous sexy man before.
What is so wrong with looking your age? Now I am not condemning the entire plastic surgery profession. Especially when they repair someone from an accident. And a boob job, within reason, doesn’t bother me either.
Jennifer Grey totally changed her looks with her nose job. I don’t think she looks bad at all, just very very different.
And poor Pricilla Presley’s nightmare silicone disaster. Why she didn’t research to make sure the person she was trusting with her face was a licensed, I don’t know. I read the person was licensed as a nurse and used industrial grade silicone on her. She was so beautiful before. It does seem as though some of what was injected into her is fading a bit.
So what actor or actress had surgery or fillers that makes them almost unwatchable to you?
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Post by scrappinmama on Oct 23, 2023 21:24:50 GMT
It's sad that society places such unrealistic expectations on women. Look at how many actresses disappear once they reach a certain age. They end up coming back with tons of plastic surgery. I find it so sad. Pricilla Presley's face has been destroyed. She should sue her plastic surgeon.
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Post by busy on Oct 23, 2023 21:27:20 GMT
People starting threads on message boards to criticize the appearance of some aging celebrities for entertainment is definitely a great example of why celebrities might feel desperate to retain their looks. And they might have very distorted views of what they actually look like after decades of being picked apart which could lead to choices that seem misguided to many.
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Post by peano on Oct 23, 2023 21:35:43 GMT
People starting threads on message boards to criticize the appearance of some aging celebrities for entertainment is definitely a great example of why celebrities might feel desperate to retain their looks. And they might have very distorted views of what they actually look like after decades of being picked apart which could lead to choices that seem misguided to many. If you're referring to the OP, she was in no way criticizing the appearance of aging celebrities, but rather their choice to undergo cosmetic surgery, which often leaves them looking scary/unrecognizable. Maybe Pamela Anderson's decision to appear makeup-less at Paris Fashion Week will influence others to accept aging gracefully. |
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Post by Lexica on Oct 23, 2023 22:08:09 GMT
People starting threads on message boards to criticize the appearance of some aging celebrities for entertainment is definitely a great example of why celebrities might feel desperate to retain their looks. And they might have very distorted views of what they actually look like after decades of being picked apart which could lead to choices that seem misguided to many. If you're referring to the OP, she was in no way criticizing the appearance of aging celebrities, but rather their choice to undergo cosmetic surgery, which often leaves them looking scary/unrecognizable. Maybe Pamela Anderson's decision to appear makeup-less at Paris Fashion Week will influence others to accept aging gracefully. Exactly. I found them to all be beautiful people before their surgeries. A few wrinkles show character and that they have lived a long life. Why is that so horrible? And as far as their career, what is so bad about looking the age of the character they playing? Again, a reasonable breast augmentation for self esteem or nose job to correct a bump are not terrible things. Maybe it is just face lifts and fillers? I have no experience with fillers so I don’t know if that is what is making them look so odd. I think the whole unrealistic pressure on both men and women to not look like who they actually are is so wrong and unfair. A well-aged face is beautiful! |
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Post by Gennifer on Oct 23, 2023 23:52:15 GMT
I am not going to judge what any other person does with their own body.
That goes for piercings/tattoos, abortions/medical decisions, plastic surgery, or even just clothes I don’t like.
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Post by Gennifer on Oct 23, 2023 23:54:59 GMT
Want to age gracefully? Great. Want to look 40 forever? Awesome.
Want bigger boobs? Get it, girl. Want smaller ones? I’ll help you burn your bras. Want to remove them completely? I’ll celebrate that with you, too.
Who tf cares?
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Post by malibou on Oct 24, 2023 1:00:23 GMT
I do recommend you continue watching Atypical. I too cannot stand her, but the series finale of this show is quite possibly my favorite ever.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 24, 2023 1:08:59 GMT
I have a friend who had her eyes done, upper and lower lids and under eye 'bags'. I did not know, I just knew there was something. She looked great and normal.. when she told me, I said ah ok...
The difference of a rough piece of wood and the improvement when sanded..
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Post by peasapie on Oct 24, 2023 13:01:56 GMT
Want to age gracefully? Great. Want to look 40 forever? Awesome. Want bigger boobs? Get it, girl. Want smaller ones? I’ll help you burn your bras. Want to remove them completely? I’ll celebrate that with you, too. Who tf cares? I’m exactly of this line of thought. Do what you want. Not my body or business. |
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Post by Bridget in MD on Oct 24, 2023 13:09:52 GMT
I am currently watching Atypical on Netflix. The actor playing Sam, Keir Gilchrist, is doing an amazing job. If it were not for my desire to watch him in this, I would have stopped because of Jennifer Jason Leigh’s face. Why do so many gorgeous women ruin their features with plastic surgery and fillers? She resembles the Joker when she smiles now. It is actually bothersome to watch her face so I end up looking away every time she is in a scene. I think she is a really good actor, I just struggle to look at her face now. And it isn’t just women. I audibly gasped the first time I saw Kenny Rogers after his surgeries. He was a gorgeous sexy man before. What is so wrong with looking your age? Now I am not condemning the entire plastic surgery profession. Especially when they repair someone from an accident. And a boob job, within reason, doesn’t bother me either. Jennifer Grey totally changed her looks with her nose job. I don’t think she looks bad at all, just very very different. And poor Pricilla Presley’s nightmare silicone disaster. Why she didn’t research to make sure the person she was trusting with her face was a licensed, I don’t know. I read the person was licensed as a nurse and used industrial grade silicone on her. She was so beautiful before. It does seem as though some of what was injected into her is fading a bit. So what actor or actress had surgery or fillers that makes them almost unwatchable to you? I recently saw a picture of Jennifer Love Hewitt and barely recognized her. She tried to play it off as a haircut, but no... she changed her nose and her whole face! |
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Post by iowgirl on Oct 24, 2023 14:28:01 GMT
I think it is the filler that gets me the most.
I live in a small town/rural area and I see it on young women here now. In their 30's and they are getting lip filler. It looks wretched.
I am surprised at the really young ones (early 20's) getting botox, but it doesn't quite ruin the looks like the filler does. When done lightly (on older people) it looks ok, but some go way overboard and can't make an expression.
Taking care of your skin and aging gracefully needs to be admired more.
Pulled back eyes and odd puffy stretched out lips - eek.
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Post by smasonnc on Oct 24, 2023 15:03:09 GMT
If it were not for my desire to watch him in this, I would have stopped because of Jennifer Jason Leigh’s face. ;Why do so many gorgeous women ruin their features with plastic surgery and fillers? I couldn't figure out how she got the part of anyone's mom. She can't even move her mouth so she mumbles everything. She looks like a mom if your mom's a serial killer. Then I read the credits. She's an executive producer. Mystery solved. The duck-lip thing is pervasive, but who thinks that looks good? We were recently watching two 20-something "Instagrammers in the Wild" at a rooftop bar taking photos of each other, pouting, smiling, posing, brushing their hair, taking more photos, repeat, and they'd both had their lips done, not to mention enough lip gloss to adhere them to the side of the building with no hands. They were 20-ish. Why? I blame Kylie Jenner. |
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Post by epeanymous on Oct 24, 2023 16:38:08 GMT
People starting threads on message boards to criticize the appearance of some aging celebrities for entertainment is definitely a great example of why celebrities might feel desperate to retain their looks. And they might have very distorted views of what they actually look like after decades of being picked apart which could lead to choices that seem misguided to many. There is literally no way to win as a female actor -- if you age normally, people critique that, and if you get plastic surgery, people critique that too. I suspect that some of the women who supposedly haven't had plastic surgery and are held up as models of how to age gracefully have just had really good plastic surgery, and for the ones who have not, yay them for having genes that help them avoid criticism, but that's just luck. Anyhow, yeah. |
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Post by busy on Oct 24, 2023 16:54:29 GMT
I hate this phrase so effing much. It's so loaded with judgment too. Because I choose to color my hair rather than let it be fully grey and choose to get some botox, I'm not "aging gracefully." I'm not doing either for anyone but me, but still it's somehow "wrong." I just want my exterior to match my interior and they feel more aligned this way. My body, my choice but damn women are quick to judge other women for making the choice to do anything that staves off visible aging. And then also quick to judge when they don't and their genes aren't super cooperative - "she should take better care of herself, she looks older than she is." There's just no winning for normal people and 1000x for anyone with any level of fame. |
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Post by epeanymous on Oct 24, 2023 17:30:45 GMT
I hate this phrase so effing much. It's so loaded with judgment too. Because I choose to color my hair rather than let it be fully grey and choose to get some botox, I'm not "aging gracefully." I'm not doing either for anyone but me, but still it's somehow "wrong." I just want my exterior to match my interior and they feel more aligned this way. My body, my choice but damn women are quick to judge other women for making the choice to do anything that staves off visible aging. And then also quick to judge when they don't and their genes aren't super cooperative - "she should take better care of herself, she looks older than she is." There's just no winning for normal people and 1000x for anyone with any level of fame. Yeah, my mother was fully gray at 25. I didn't get a gray hair until my late 40s. It's not like I'm somehow taking better care of myself because my hair grayed later (and I go back and forth about letting it go natural and coloring it every six months or so). |
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Post by peano on Oct 24, 2023 17:46:58 GMT
I hate this phrase so effing much. It's so loaded with judgment too. Because I choose to color my hair rather than let it be fully grey and choose to get some botox, I'm not "aging gracefully." I'm not doing either for anyone but me, but still it's somehow "wrong." I just want my exterior to match my interior and they feel more aligned this way. My body, my choice but damn women are quick to judge other women for making the choice to do anything that staves off visible aging. And then also quick to judge when they don't and their genes aren't super cooperative - "she should take better care of herself, she looks older than she is." There's just no winning for normal people and 1000x for anyone with any level of fame. Aging gracefully to me means you do whatever you need to do make your outside correspond to your inside. I think I'm still gonna be coloring my hair into my 70s, because I don't feel like my internal representation of what a gray-haired woman is--old. And this is not to criticize people who've let their hair go gray. So many people look amazing with gray hair. I wouldn't. Aging gracefully isn't doing due diligence in researching your cosmetic surgeon and ending up looking like a freak show. I don't understand how these celebs, who can afford the best, come out looking botched. I think genes may play a role, but mainly it comes down to self-care and self-image. So many women (at least around here) become subsumed in their role as a mother and lose the plot when it comes to enhancing their appearance. I'm not saying women have to slop on all kinds of cosmetics and get dressed to the nines on the daily, but at least show you care. |
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Post by ~summer~ on Oct 24, 2023 17:56:42 GMT
I plan to color my hair until the very end. I wish I did, but I just do not like the look of grey hair. And I’m definitely open to a face lift at some point in the future..
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Post by Clair on Oct 24, 2023 17:58:45 GMT
I hate this phrase so effing much. It's so loaded with judgment too. Because I choose to color my hair rather than let it be fully grey and choose to get some botox, I'm not "aging gracefully." I'm not doing either for anyone but me, but still it's somehow "wrong." I just want my exterior to match my interior and they feel more aligned this way. My body, my choice but damn women are quick to judge other women for making the choice to do anything that staves off visible aging. And then also quick to judge when they don't and their genes aren't super cooperative - "she should take better care of herself, she looks older than she is." There's just no winning for normal people and 1000x for anyone with any level of fame. I’m older than you so a different perspective… I’m 62 and take no offense to the term ‘aging gracefully’. My friends and I have talked about this. We don’t want to look 20 but we don’t want to look 80 - we want to look our best and be healthy and happy - with or without hair color, botox, makeup, cosmetic procedures, etc. In my circles, aging gracefully is viewed more of a mindset. I think celebrities like Andie McDowell, Jamie Lee Curtis, Meryl Streep, Helen Merin, Diane Keaton, Brooke Shields, Julianne Moore, Jennifer Aniston etc - have all aged gracefully. They are all beautiful but their graceful aging seems to come from within them. |
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Post by smasonnc on Oct 24, 2023 18:20:03 GMT
I'm also older than a lot of you and I AM aging gracefully. I haven't had anything done to my face except a few masks and peels, but I would and I also color my hair. I just refuse to go full-on "sleep with my eyes open because they won't close, creepy duck lips, and hair extensions." I'd rather look like Grandma Moses. I want to look healthy and active, not like I belong in Madame Tussauds.
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Post by Gennifer on Oct 24, 2023 19:14:06 GMT
Everyone can define what aging “gracefully” is for themselves, but no one gets to say what it is for anyone else. Period.
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Post by papersilly on Oct 24, 2023 20:19:11 GMT
I recently saw a picture of Jennifer Love Hewitt and barely recognized her. She tried to play it off as a haircut, but no... she changed her nose and her whole face! is that what it was? i saw a recent photo too and i couldn't put my finger on it. i thought it might have been that she lost the baby weight but plastic surgery didn't cross my mind until you said it. makes sense. |
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Post by peabay on Oct 24, 2023 22:21:26 GMT
I have trouble looking at the faces of people who have done a lot of plastic surgery - it just creeps me out. So, if they want to do it, fine - it's their face. But the inability to move anything but your mouth, with lips all blown up? Makes me shudder. It's part of the reason I stopped watching "Shrinking" - I couldn't stand to look at Christa Miller's face. I find it really distracting.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Oct 26, 2023 13:12:10 GMT
I hate this phrase so effing much. It's so loaded with judgment too. Because I choose to color my hair rather than let it be fully grey and choose to get some botox, I'm not "aging gracefully." I'm not doing either for anyone but me, but still it's somehow "wrong." I just want my exterior to match my interior and they feel more aligned this way. My body, my choice but damn women are quick to judge other women for making the choice to do anything that staves off visible aging. And then also quick to judge when they don't and their genes aren't super cooperative - "she should take better care of herself, she looks older than she is." There's just no winning for normal people and 1000x for anyone with any level of fame. Aging gracefully to me means you do whatever you need to do make your outside correspond to your inside. I think I'm still gonna be coloring my hair into my 70s, because I don't feel like my internal representation of what a gray-haired woman is--old. And this is not to criticize people who've let their hair go gray. So many people look amazing with gray hair. I wouldn't. Aging gracefully isn't doing due diligence in researching your cosmetic surgeon and ending up looking like a freak show. I don't understand how these celebs, who can afford the best, come out looking botched. I think genes may play a role, but mainly it comes down to self-care and self-image. So many women (at least around here) become subsumed in their role as a mother and lose the plot when it comes to enhancing their appearance. I'm not saying women have to slop on all kinds of cosmetics and get dressed to the nines on the daily, but at least show you care.Okay, but what if I honestly DON’T care? For the most part, I just don’t. As long as I’m healthy, clean, wearing clean clothes and don’t look like I just rolled out of bed, that’s truly good enough for me. If other people don’t like it they can feel free to look away. I have other things going on that I care about more that I choose to spend my time, money and energy on. Maybe my “self care” is accomplished in other ways, just like those women you assume have lost the plot. Just another viewpoint to consider. |
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Post by lesserknownpea on Oct 29, 2023 9:47:51 GMT
Every person is free to care for their body and looks in the way that makes them happy or fits their values. For myself, as I age, I dress and groom myself more for me, and less for what others may think. I’ve embraced my grey hair. I’m more interested in comfort than fashion. And usually makeup seems more trouble than it’s worth.
I agree with OP in the sense that presumably the procedures these actors are doing are in the hope of looking more attractive and youthful. Sadly, in many cases, IMO, the results are the opposite, jarring, unnatural looks that are distracting and draw attention to the subject of aging. I’m guessing that at first they were able to stay youthful looking with minimal work. Botox, mini lifts, a little filler. But as the years go by, they try to keep their face the same age, and things get drastic.
Maybe there should be psychologists specializing in helping those who live in large part from their looks to accept what decade they can pull off, and improve their self esteem in that youth obsessed world.
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Post by peasapie on Oct 29, 2023 10:36:00 GMT
People starting threads on message boards to criticize the appearance of some aging celebrities for entertainment is definitely a great example of why celebrities might feel desperate to retain their looks. And they might have very distorted views of what they actually look like after decades of being picked apart which could lead to choices that seem misguided to many. There is literally no way to win as a female actor -- if you age normally, people critique that, and if you get plastic surgery, people critique that too. I suspect that some of the women who supposedly haven't had plastic surgery and are held up as models of how to age gracefully have just had really good plastic surgery, and for the ones who have not, yay them for having genes that help them avoid criticism, but that's just luck. Anyhow, yeah. Exactly yes to both above. Actor’s careers and getting parts often depends on their appearance. And they are then subject to the opinions of viewers and social media. |
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Post by Linda on Oct 29, 2023 15:23:45 GMT
I'm sitting on the bench with Gennifer - you do you (general you). I'm greying, I don't use cosmetics, I'm not a trendy dresser - but I'm neat and clean and not typically dressed as slob. That's what works for ME. Am I aging gracefully? who knows and quite frankly I'm okay with aging - it certainly beats the alternative of dying. We as a society are giving a lot of lip service to diversity and tolerance and accepting people for who they are...and yet, here we are as a society also criticising women (in particular) for the choices they are making as far as fashion, hair colour (grey or not grey?), plastic surgery (or lack of) and so on. I tell my (young adult - they are 17, 23, and 32) kids that if they are comfortable with how they look, then that's what's important not what other people or society as a whole thinks. |
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Post by KiwiJo on Oct 29, 2023 19:35:51 GMT
It is interesting to see the very famous actors and actresses who don’t seem to have had plastic surgery, and yet still have very active careers. Or if they have had some it is subtle, not extreme. People like Judi Dench, Maggie Smith, Imelda Staunton, Bill Nighy, Timothy Spall……..
It seems very sad to me that some people think they have to try to look younger than they are, even though others know their actual age. It’s not just celebrities of course - many people continue to dye their hair a colour that no longer complements their changed skin colour, for example. Of course there is nothing wrong with wanting to look your best, no matter how old you are, but to try to look years younger than reality is rarely going to actually work.
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Post by roundtwo on Oct 29, 2023 19:44:50 GMT
Actor’s careers and getting parts often depends on their appearance. And they are then subject to the opinions of viewers and social media. Isn't that pretty much what Hollywood/fame/acting is based on?
ETA I watch a lot of British shows and I find there is considerably less apparent plastic surgery amongst the actors than in American shows. I assume there is some of course but generally speaking the actors in the shows that I watch like Lewis, Vera, New Tricks, etc. look like everyday people - a bit rumpled, some grey, some wrinkles - as opposed to the shiny sparkly actors in American shows, Columbo not withstanding.  |
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Post by tincin on Oct 29, 2023 20:31:54 GMT
Several posters commented that we are singling out women but the OP didn’t do that. She specifically mentioned both. I agree with her that those stretched lips, non-moving upper lips, and eyes that can’t blink are ridiculous. I also agree that Kenny Rogers looked odd and I’ll add Sylvester Stallone, Ray Liotta, and Carrot Top to the list.
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