sophikins
Full Member
Posts: 239
Aug 30, 2014 15:12:27 GMT
|
Post by sophikins on Dec 16, 2014 16:21:29 GMT
take your kid out of school for a movie marathon?
To me it sends the message that going to the movies is more important than your responsibility of attending school.
I understand that families plan and take trips/vacations that often involve kids being taken out of school, and there are other things like weddings, funerals, and even sometimes the kids' teams have championship sporting events out of town. But to me, going to school is a responsibility, both for the student and the teachers who prepare the lessons, as well as the other students. It is something that prepares students for how they will make decisions later in life.
Maybe I am "old school" or a fuddy-duddy, but I personally don't view the message that skipping school for the fun of attending a movie marathon with mom is "good" parenting that should be congratulated.
Am I the only one who feels this way? What do you teachers think about it? (Maybe I am the only one who feels that way, and not having taken my kids out of school to go to the movies means I was a not a good mom.)
|
|
MDscrapaholic
Drama Llama
Posts: 6,375
Location: Down by the bay....
Jun 25, 2014 20:49:07 GMT
|
Post by MDscrapaholic on Dec 16, 2014 16:23:28 GMT
I agree. I think people don't realize the importance of education and how hard it is to teach our children today about the time involved in something so important.
A movie can be seen anytime!
|
|
|
Post by padresfan619 on Dec 16, 2014 16:24:37 GMT
I think that if the kid has good grades, good attendance and there isn't any thing major looming ahead it is perfectly reasonable to take them out for a day. It shouldn't be made a habit over many days, but one day isn't going to make or break a good student.
I have 3 personal days to use every year as I see fit. Every one needs a break every once in a while.
|
|
|
Post by scrapcat on Dec 16, 2014 16:30:56 GMT
I cherish the memories I have of my Mom letting me take a day off school so we could go to the movies and shopping and out to lunch. That's a priceless memory and made me feel so special. I got to talk to her one on one without my Dad or brother around. I'm sure I didn't miss anything spectacular from the stellar public school education system. We probably did that once a school year from when I was about 10 or so on up.
I don't think anyone should judge someone else's parenting. No one wins.
And I did just fine in life, went to a highly accredited university, had a full time job before I graduated, 32 and already own my 2nd home. Happy, successful and healthy fully-functioning adult! lol
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
May 19, 2024 0:30:06 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 16:31:06 GMT
Generally speaking, I think pretty much everything comes after school. But no way am I going to make a blanket judgment about something like that. There may be a special reason, there may be something going on in that family/child's life that makes some lighthearted fun more important than almost anything, or something. If this is the exception and not the rule, and nothing important is being missed, I would assume that there is more to the situation than I know and that the parent is making an appropriate decision.
Now, if this is routine behavior, that's a different story.
We took DS out of school one day last year to attend International Migratory Bird Day events. I'm sure some people thought that was inappropriate, but I can guarantee it was the right decision for us. It was the only day of school he missed all year and there wasn't anything significant going on at the time.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
May 19, 2024 0:30:06 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 16:32:27 GMT
I think that if the kid has good grades, good attendance and there isn't any thing major looming ahead it is perfectly reasonable to take them out for a day. It shouldn't be made a habit over many days, but one day isn't going to make or break a good student. I have 3 personal days to use every year as I see fit. Every one needs a break every once in a while. If they are doing it often, like every month, then no. But I think a break is good every now and again.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
May 19, 2024 0:30:06 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 16:33:45 GMT
My kids wouldn't want to miss school for something like that. Everything is so tightly scheduled these days, if they miss a day or even part of a day, they have work to make up when they get back. So it's not worth it for movies - but, sure, for more important events like you've mentioned.
I also feel guilty taking them out when not really important because the school loses money. Our district does a couple Saturday schools per year where they can make some money back and we make sure our kids go to those. So that's something to think about too - lost revenue to the school.
|
|
Rhondito
Pearl Clutcher
MississipPea
Posts: 4,664
Jun 25, 2014 19:33:19 GMT
|
Post by Rhondito on Dec 16, 2014 16:33:47 GMT
Sometimes making memories that you will always have is more important than sitting in a classroom all day. As long as it's not a regular thing I see nothing wrong with it.
|
|
grinningcat
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 4,663
Jun 26, 2014 13:06:35 GMT
|
Post by grinningcat on Dec 16, 2014 16:33:54 GMT
You might be. I see no problem with it, my parents let me take mental health days whenever I wanted and take time off school to do theatre and stuff like that. Only caveat was keeping up with school. I didn't abuse it but I missed a lot of school for stuff that I deemed just as important as school. Meh. It depends on the kid. If they are smart and capable, then there should be no issue. If they are struggling, that may not be the best idea. But then again, while I consider education important, I don't think attending school every day is the be all and end all.
|
|
|
Post by padresfan619 on Dec 16, 2014 16:35:02 GMT
I also will never forget the day that my mom, grandma, aunt and cousin came to school shortly before lunch time and pulled me out for the day. We went to lunch, we went shopping, and had an overall amazing day. I still have a picture of that day framed and on my desk. It reminds me to stop and cherish moments. Shortly after that day my aunt was diagnosed with lung cancer and she didn't last long after that.
|
|
peppermintpatty
Pearl Clutcher
Refupea #1345
Posts: 3,842
Jun 26, 2014 17:47:08 GMT
|
Post by peppermintpatty on Dec 16, 2014 16:36:20 GMT
I don't see it as a problem as long as their grades are good and they can make up the work. I have pulled my kids out of school to go skiing for the day. It was the first day of the new semester and they didn't do much anyway. My kids had a blast and we plan on doing that again this year.
|
|
|
Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Dec 16, 2014 16:40:35 GMT
I agree with you.
It raises adults who think it is okay to take off from work for every little whim.
I work with these a$$holes, and have to cover their shifts when, "OMG! Like, totally, Black Friday shopping! Can't work that day."
|
|
grinningcat
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 4,663
Jun 26, 2014 13:06:35 GMT
|
Post by grinningcat on Dec 16, 2014 16:42:26 GMT
I agree with you. It raises adults who think it is okay to take off from work for every little whim. I work with these a$$holes, and have to cover their shifts when, "OMG! Like, totally, Black Friday shopping! Can't work that day." No it does not. These sweeping generalizations are maddening. Could it teach some people that? Yes. Every single kid? No. The vast majority of people know how to manage this kind of stuff.
|
|
|
Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Dec 16, 2014 16:46:38 GMT
I agree with you. It raises adults who think it is okay to take off from work for every little whim. I work with these a$$holes, and have to cover their shifts when, "OMG! Like, totally, Black Friday shopping! Can't work that day." No it does not. These sweeping generalizations are maddening. Could it teach some people that? Yes. Every single kid? No. The vast majority of people know how to manage this kind of stuff. Yeah, you're probably right. Mine was an knee-jerk, emotional response due to my own recent experiences.
|
|
|
Post by anonrefugee on Dec 16, 2014 16:46:58 GMT
I like that you left your post open to possibilities of other viewpoints! I would have expected to parent as if school was most important, no absences. But we live half a country away from aging grand-folk and most semesters end with half days. I've given up making my kids go to school, only to watch movies, when we could have flown out the night before. Something like the migratory birds mentioned above sounds educational, and fun. I could cave on that. amusement Park or State Fair so you can beat the crowd? Probably won't get my support. But to paraphrase what we say here- your kids are your clowns. My life is circus enough.
|
|
|
Post by gryroagain on Dec 16, 2014 16:47:16 GMT
I am so hoping for a peatlejuice. I am a bad person and drama llama, I know. But it's rainy and I'm sitting around...
My kids don't even go to school, they are home schooled. Somehow this low stress, few deadlines environment has not produced shiftless entitled losers. My oldest is doing great in community college classes and other put side classes, my youngest is a very driven ballet dancer who manages her time very well. I see nothing wrong with missing a day for a special treat.
|
|
|
Post by epeanymous on Dec 16, 2014 16:47:40 GMT
I think if the overwhelming majority of the time, school comes first, than a once-in-a-great-while absence for a movie marathon or family trip or whatever isn't going to affect the message the kid is getting about priorities.
|
|
|
Post by myshelly on Dec 16, 2014 16:48:08 GMT
Meh. Sometimes family memories are more important than school.
It's nobody else's business. It's the parent's choice and no one else should get a say.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
May 19, 2024 0:30:06 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 16:52:10 GMT
I agree with you. It raises adults who think it is okay to take off from work for every little whim. I work with these a$$holes, and have to cover their shifts when, "OMG! Like, totally, Black Friday shopping! Can't work that day." If your corporate time off policy allows it, why does it make them _____ ? Most people either have vacation time to be taken or they get their pay docked. If they don't mind losing money in their pocket I don't see why it is a problem. IMO our society could use a little less hard core work and take some vacation. People are way too stressed over way to little. Random time off when feeling stressed is a good thing for everyone.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
May 19, 2024 0:30:06 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 16:57:50 GMT
I know someone whose son was allowed do this with his grandparents (clearing it with mom and dad first). Will he remember what he learned in school that day ten years from now, or even a year from now? But he will always remember doing this special thing with his grandparents.
Speaking as a mom and as someone who has taught, if it's not something done on a regular basis, I think outside activities sometimes trump school.
ETA: I think saying doing this occasionally has resulted in a generation of self-centered workmates is a sweeping generalization. Of what I have observed, the child mentioned above is very responsible in every other area of his life. I think those who grow up with a 'me me me' mindset had other things going on in their lives than being occasionally allowed to miss school for a fun event.
|
|
|
Post by rebelyelle on Dec 16, 2014 16:58:41 GMT
As a child and teen who worked really, really hard in school, my mother gave me the occasional "mental health" day from school. Usually once a year.
As an adult who works really, really hard at work, I give myself the occasional mental health day from work.
The responsibility part becomes really important when it's time to catch up on the day that was missed. If my child was able to take a day off and get back up to speed without compromising their education, then I have absolutely no problem with this. Yes, their education is their "job" and primary responsibility. On the other hand, life is so much more than learning to work hard.
|
|
|
Post by bc2ca on Dec 16, 2014 16:59:35 GMT
take your kid out of school for a movie marathon? To me it sends the message that going to the movies is more important than your responsibility of attending school. I understand that families plan and take trips/vacations that often involve kids being taken out of school, and there are other things like weddings, funerals, and even sometimes the kids' teams have championship sporting events out of town. But to me, going to school is a responsibility, both for the student and the teachers who prepare the lessons, as well as the other students. It is something that prepares students for how they will make decisions later in life. Maybe I am "old school" or a fuddy-duddy, but I personally don't view the message that skipping school for the fun of attending a movie marathon with mom is "good" parenting that should be congratulated. Am I the only one who feels this way? What do you teachers think about it? (Maybe I am the only one who feels that way, and not having taken my kids out of school to go to the movies means I was a not a good mom.) I doubt you are the "only one in the world" that feels this way, but honestly, without knowing the age of the child and a little about the family I really don't have any feelings about the situation. I'm the parent who makes dentist and optometrist appointments on school breaks so they don't have to miss school. On the other hand, I didn't hesitate to pull them from school to go to a theme park with visiting cousins.
|
|
|
Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Dec 16, 2014 17:00:17 GMT
I agree with you. It raises adults who think it is okay to take off from work for every little whim. I work with these a$$holes, and have to cover their shifts when, "OMG! Like, totally, Black Friday shopping! Can't work that day." If your corporate time off policy allows it, why does it make them _____ ? Most people either have vacation time to be taken or they get their pay docked. If they don't mind losing money in their pocket I don't see why it is a problem. IMO our society could use a little less hard core work and take some vacation. People are way too stressed over way to little. Random time off when feeling stressed is a good thing for everyone. Well, in my second post, I did say that my first reply was a knee-jerk emotion-based response. I personally don't work for a large corporation. If an employee calls out last minute at where I work, they are really dropping the ball and everyone else who responsibly shows up has to pick up the slack. Imagine you work on a landscaping crew of five people. You are contracted to clear and landscape a large property that day, and you only have the one day to do it. It is non-negotiable, time-wise. With five people working, it is hard work but doable. When two of those people suddenly call out for various reasons, the three remaining employees still have to get the job done, in the same amount of time, but it takes them longer and is much, much harder to accomplish.
|
|
|
Post by pretzels on Dec 16, 2014 17:02:09 GMT
I have lots of issues with things like this, but one of my biggest things is this scenario: Your kid is plugging away, making good grades and has good attendance. So you decide one day to take him or her out of school for a movie or a concert or other event -- after all, he or she is doing great in school and hasn't missed a day. A month or so later, the kid gets sick and misses several days. Then he or she is behind, plus they now have an "extra" absence that they wouldn't have had if you hadn't used school time to do things that can be done outside of school. Not to mention that it may affect whether or not he or she can exempt exams come finals time. My DS had food poisoning and was out for two days a few weeks ago, and then had another stomach issue so was out for another day. He now has to take two exams that he wouldn't have had to take otherwise if he hadn't missed those three days (these were legitimate absences, but that is still something to consider). His band director had everyone play their music and resat the band by chairs, and in situations where it was too close to call, he factored in attendance among other things. My BFF teaches dual credit in high school and attendance is a part of his students' grades.
Attendance DOES matter, whether you think it's important or not.
We go places and do things and have lots of fun. But my kids go to school unless they have a fever or have vomiting or diarrhea. My DS went to see Soundgarden and Alice in Chains in Houston on weekdays with DH on two separate occasions. He got up and went to school the next day, because that was the deal. It is possible to do both.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
May 19, 2024 0:30:06 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 17:04:40 GMT
(Maybe I am the only one who feels that way, and not having taken my kids out of school to go to the movies means I was a not a good mom.) I don't know if you're being completely serious here, but no, it doesn't mean that you weren't a good mom--but it also doesn't mean that those of us who do aren't good moms, either.
|
|
josie
Full Member
Posts: 217
Jul 29, 2014 20:47:33 GMT
|
Post by josie on Dec 16, 2014 17:10:10 GMT
I have to disagree. I think you can do it. The rule when growing up was if your grades were kept up and you didn't get in trouble at school,we were allowed 1 day a semester to take off. Sometimes my mom would let us opt out of a field trip and instead stay home. I think some of my favorite childhood memories and best days were when it was just my mom and I because it never happened otherwise. Some days we stayed home and watched game shows other days it was a special shopping trip or a movie.
I think if done responsibly it's not a bad thing. Quite honestly, especially around the holidays I know there are too many days were it's an easy activity or movie day. I don't think a child missing one day of school is going to derail their education.
|
|
|
Post by giatocj on Dec 16, 2014 17:11:14 GMT
I think that if the kid has good grades, good attendance and there isn't any thing major looming ahead it is perfectly reasonable to take them out for a day. It shouldn't be made a habit over many days, but one day isn't going to make or break a good student. I have 3 personal days to use every year as I see fit. Every one needs a break every once in a while. If they are doing it often, like every month, then no. But I think a break is good every now and again. I totally agree with all of this!! I think kids deserve mental health breaks/r & r days just as much as adults do, and as long as there is no test, quiz, oral report, etc. that is going to be missed and effect a grade, I have no problem with it at all. Would I make a habit of it? Absolutely not, but one day off isn't going to do irreparable harm to the learning process of a child.
|
|
|
Post by anxiousmom on Dec 16, 2014 17:11:28 GMT
This is one of those topics that it just comes down to parenting decisions/choices. I am of the school of thought that says if I want to allow my child to miss a day of school for a random reason, I should be allowed to make that decision without being judged. I would like to think that I would be allowed the benefit of the doubt, that people would assume that I weighed the options, took grades, attitudes and school commitments into account and determined that it was okay to allow my child to miss a day.
Because that is what would have happened-and does. I just allowed my youngest to miss two days of school to go to the beach with his friend and their family.
This particular kid has a 4.3 GPA in all Honors and AP classes, an A in a dual enrollment class. He takes his school work seriously, and had a plan to ensure that any missed work was done in a timely manner. We struck a deal for those two days and keeping his grades up and he has fulfilled that obligation.
I could have just as easily taken him out of school for a movie marathon, or to out to lunch or whatever. I have no issues with it.
*shrug* I don't think it is teaching him a wrong lesson (see the aforementioned grades) about working hard or following through with obligations.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
May 19, 2024 0:30:06 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 17:11:47 GMT
Pretzels, I would agree that once a child hits high school the consequences for an absence can have bigger consequences than at the elementary or middle school level.
|
|
|
Post by originalvanillabean on Dec 16, 2014 17:12:02 GMT
You know, before I read the responses my answer was. Yes! Kids should never be taken out of school for things like that. But in reading through....look at all the memories mentioned. Life isn't about stuff, it's about memories and "remember when we did......". If taking your kids out of school (and academically and attendance wise, they can afford it) means creating lifetime memories, then I support it.
|
|