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Post by onelasttime on Dec 7, 2023 20:50:53 GMT
One could right a series of books on trump’s twisted view of the law. But this one takes the cake…. Ben Meiselas… ”Trump is saying in this stay request that based on his own fabricated legal conclusion he has unilaterally decided he is not participating in the DC federal criminal case and its associated deadlines and obligations. Expect scathing responses from Judge Chutkan and Jack Smith.” x.com/meiselasb/status/1732846174137426266?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nw |
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Post by karenk on Dec 7, 2023 20:55:37 GMT
This is not going to end well…
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 7, 2023 20:57:39 GMT
I don't think so!!
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 7, 2023 20:57:39 GMT
linkAn Article about this from MT…. ” Trump Says He Will Stop Participating in the DC Federal Criminal Case Based on His Understanding”Trump Makes Direct Challenge to DC Federal Judge’s Authority in New Motion “On Thursday, in addition to filing a notice of appeal of DC Federal Judge Tanya Chutkan’s order denying his motion to dismiss the criminal indictment based on presidential immunity, Donald Trump filed a motion to stay the entire district court criminal case. Donald Trump is requesting Judge Chutkan stop the federal proceedings, including all discovery, pretrial proceedings, and trial, until the DC Circuit Court of Appeals makes a final ruling on his appeal of Judge Chutkan’s immunity order. However, even before Judge Chutkan could address Trump’s request for a stay, Donald Trump unilaterally states in his stay motion: “Trump will proceed based on that understanding and the authorities set forth herein absent further order of the Court.” Yet, there is no “understanding” that has been reached, only Donald Trump’s request in his motion. In other words, Donald Trump is saying he will be acting as if the stay request has been granted and not participating in the criminal case and related deadlines and obligations, regardless of the fact that the court is yet to make a ruling. Trump says it's his understanding that he will stop participating in the DC case This is a direct and unprecedented challenge to a court’s authority as no litigant or criminal defendant can proceed on their own accord absent court order. More brazenly, one of the main cases Donald Trump cites to support his “understanding” that the criminal case against him should be stayed is the recent DC Circuit Court of Appeals ruling from last week in the case Blassingame v. Trump, where the Court of Appeals ruled that Donald Trump was not entitled to absolute presidential immunity in various civil lawsuits related to the insurrection. Thus, Trump is citing a case that proves his immunity appeal is frivolous as the very same grounds for a stay of the criminal case against him and then using his clearly fabricated understanding of that to not participate in the criminal case unilaterally. Expect a scathing response from Judge Tanya Chutkan and Special Counsel Jack Smith.
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Post by papersilly on Dec 7, 2023 21:28:20 GMT
i could say that i will not be participating in the payment of income taxes but i think the IRS will have some strong feelings about that. the man is delulu if he thinks he decides what he will be part of and what he will skip.
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Post by Jen in NCal on Dec 7, 2023 21:41:51 GMT
More brazenly, one of the main cases Donald Trump cites to support his “understanding” that the criminal case against him should be stayed is the recent DC Circuit Court of Appeals ruling from last week in the case Blassingame v. Trump, where the Court of Appeals ruled that Donald Trump was not entitled to absolute presidential immunity in various civil lawsuits related to the insurrection. Thus, Trump is citing a case that proves his immunity appeal is frivolous as the very same grounds for a stay of the criminal case against him and then using his clearly fabricated understanding of that to not participate in the criminal case unilaterally. That burning smell is my brain frying. |
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Post by myshelly on Dec 7, 2023 22:18:34 GMT
I think this is…weird.
Look, I don’t like Trump and this isn’t a defense of him, but Trump hired lawyers and those lawyers are coming up with these arguments and making these motions and citing cases.
To say that this is “Trump’s” understanding of the law, or that any of these arguments are Trump’s original thoughts and ideas is really odd and misleading 🤷🏻♀️
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Post by maryannscraps on Dec 7, 2023 22:29:30 GMT
I think Trump is instructing his lawyers to throw anything and everything out there to delay and delay and delay. Honestly, I don’t think he knows or cares much about actual laws or the constitution. That’s what lawyers are for.
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 8, 2023 2:47:14 GMT
I think Trump is instructing his lawyers to throw anything and everything out there to delay and delay and delay. Honestly, I don’t think he knows or cares much about actual laws or the constitution. That’s what lawyers are for. Some of Trump's lawyers seem to just do what Trump tells them to do and I wonder where they went to law school. But, John Lauro is one of his lawyers in this case and he seems reasonably intelligent. However, the idea that Trump and his lawyers can just ignore court deadlines sounds crazy. This explanation made a little more sense to me than the original post. www.politico.com/news/2023/12/07/trump-seeks-halt-to-d-c-criminal-case-00130662Trump’s attorneys indicated that even if Chutkan doesn’t grant the stay, they plan to ask the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals to do so and intend to operate as if there is one in place. That could be consequential in a case that is expected to be just three months away from trial. Prospective jurors have already begun receiving initial notices from the courthouse.
The lawyers said that unless Chutkan rules otherwise, they plan to ignore upcoming deadlines in the case regarding pretrial motions, exchanges of information with prosecutors and designation of expert witnesses.
Trump’s legal team said in its 11-page filing that prosecutors from special counsel Jack Smith’s office have indicated they plan to oppose the stay.
Trump’s lawyers noted that prosecutors have acknowledged that Trump can’t be forced to go to trial in the case while an immunity appeal is pending. But according to Trump’s lawyers, the prosecutors appeared to seek to leave the door open to pretrial proceedings such as motions, hearings and trial planning in the coming months.
Trump’s attorneys rejected that approach, arguing that the former president is entitled to avoid “the burdens of litigation” while his appeal goes forward, including the impact on his ongoing campaign for reelection to the presidency.
“Concerns regarding judicial resources and costs from continued litigation during the pendency of the appeal — including financial, reputational, and political costs to President Trump and this country — are significant,” Blanche and Lauro wrote.
A spokesperson for Smith’s office declined to comment Thursday. |
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