MerryMom
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Post by MerryMom on Jan 3, 2024 4:20:32 GMT
I’m watching the Curious Case of Natalia Grace and Natalia Speaks. I am angry on so many levels right now.
ETA: All of medical and dental records the Barnetts had about Natalia very early on proves Natalia was a child.
The Natalia Speaks episodes are very telling.
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Post by mamallama on Jan 3, 2024 5:27:43 GMT
I just started that as well! I’ve seen two episodes now and I have no idea what to think.
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Post by chaosisapony on Jan 3, 2024 5:48:18 GMT
I watched the original documentary series last year and just saw the first two episodes of Natalia Speaks. I'm so glad she is doing well and appears to be rather well adjusted for all of the turmoil and abuse she suffered. I am shocked that Michael and Kristine got away with it all.
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Post by Gennifer on Jan 3, 2024 6:24:55 GMT
I also watched the two new episodes. My heart hurts for Natalia so badly.
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Post by mamallama on Jan 3, 2024 9:08:56 GMT
I’m a few more episodes in and I hate those parents.
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Post by MerryMom on Jan 3, 2024 12:35:35 GMT
I’m hoping this builds towards filing in court to have her original date of birth restored.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Jan 3, 2024 15:09:41 GMT
I had to look this up, I hadn't heard of it and found this article: people.com/where-is-natalia-grace-now-8421187so reading the article, I dont know really what to think, except that my initial thoughts - it does kind of make me think Natalia Grace was playing a con - I have seen NO footage, but reading the article, I am more sympathetic to the parents than I would be to her. So reading this comments from the peas it sounds like SHE is the one who is the victim. Is it just on ID? I am not sure I get this channel....
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Post by Bridget in MD on Jan 3, 2024 15:11:16 GMT
I’m hoping this builds towards filing in court to have her original date of birth restored. the birth year of 1989? which makes her 34? Does that mean you think she was not truthful?
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Post by artbabe on Jan 3, 2024 16:49:27 GMT
Natalia is in her very early 20s. The whole thing about her being an adult disguised as a child was BS. The courts arbitrarily gave her a birth year of 1989. They have since done testing that proves she actually was a child when they had the court change her birth year.
What happened to that girl was disgusting.
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Post by aprilfay21 on Jan 3, 2024 18:41:35 GMT
I had to look this up, I hadn't heard of it and found this article: people.com/where-is-natalia-grace-now-8421187so reading the article, I dont know really what to think, except that my initial thoughts - it does kind of make me think Natalia Grace was playing a con - I have seen NO footage, but reading the article, I am more sympathetic to the parents than I would be to her. So reading this comments from the peas it sounds like SHE is the one who is the victim. Is it just on ID? I am not sure I get this channel.... Her DNA testing proved she was born in 2003 and that her birth mother was born in 1979. She was 6 when the Barnett's adopted her and 8 when they abandoned her in an apartment alone and moved away. I hope they are prosecuted as much as possible. At 6 years old and with Dwarfism, I doubt she did half the things they accused her of.
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Post by Gennifer on Jan 3, 2024 19:36:15 GMT
Seriously. Have her birth year corrected, and then file the damn charges against the Barretts again so they can be held responsible for child abandonment. They had multiple medical professionals telling them that she was a child and they just kept shopping around until they finally found one who agreed with them in court.
They are disgusting people.
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Post by mamallama on Jan 3, 2024 19:48:44 GMT
I keep coming back to this post the more I watch. I am so disturbed. The dad fake crying is too much. Even when he’s talking about reconciling with his bio son and is “crying” he can muster up a tear.
And those people in the apartments surrounding hers being so irritated by her, I wonder how they feel now knowing they were treating a child this way.
I’m still in the process of watching so I know I am going to have some more opinions. Ugh
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Post by femalebusiness on Jan 3, 2024 21:57:19 GMT
They are all nuts but the child had an excuse. She had a horrible childhood that she probably will never fully recover from. The two assholes that had her should both be in jail. A little torture to go along with the sentence wouldn't hurt either.
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Post by littlemama on Jan 3, 2024 22:31:37 GMT
They are all nuts but the child had an excuse. She had a horrible childhood that she probably will never fully recover from. The two assholes that had her should both be in jail. A little torture to go along with the sentence wouldn't hurt either. Well, thankfully our country is.more civilized than that.🙄
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Post by dewryce on Jan 3, 2024 22:41:01 GMT
I had only seen snippets of headlines before I saw your post and had the impression she had pulled a scam. So I did a little reading last night and saw her mom was found and verified through DNA testing; and her mom would have had to have been 10 when Natalia was born to be the age they accused her of being. Which, while potentially possible, is highly unlikely. Y’all are saying her DNA test proved her age, but I didn’t realize that was possible? So now I’m just confused
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Post by MerryMom on Jan 4, 2024 0:44:08 GMT
I’m hoping this builds towards filing in court to have her original date of birth restored. the birth year of 1989? which makes her 34? Does that mean you think she was not truthful? To restore her actual DOB as she is in her early 20s per blood tests and her dental records when she was first adopted by the Barnetts. I do think she has some behavioral issues, but she was a child when the Barnetts abandoned her. I think she still has issues.
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Post by MerryMom on Jan 4, 2024 3:07:06 GMT
Okay, Michael showing up for the second face-to-face in the red penguin t-shirt and red ball cap worn backwards…WTF?!
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Post by rodeomom on Jan 4, 2024 4:12:00 GMT
What the hell!
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Post by Bridget in MD on Jan 4, 2024 18:21:42 GMT
So I just saw this story on People: people.com/natalia-grace-docuseries-ends-with-shocking-allegation-8422152The Ukrainian orphan appeared to have her happy ending with the Mans family when they adopted her after she was abandoned by previous adoptive parents Michael and Kristine Barnett. But the closing minute of the Investigation Discovery show revealed that Antwon and Cynthia Mans were also growing to mistrust Natalia. “Something ain't right with Natalia. This girl is tweakin," Antwon claimed to show producers in a voiceover. "I feel like she's the enemy in the house. And she said to us, we have held her hostage. Made us look like we're the enemy." "Natalia is stabbing her family in the back over a complete lie," his wife added. "She's done other things too, but this was a new low," Antwon continues. "Natalia does not have emotions for nothing but herself. We're done. We're done with her." A final ominous title card on the gripping show read, "Natalia's story will continue." ---So the 2nd family that took her in is now saying she is not being truthful? I need to find this damn show so I can watch for myself!
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Post by waffles on Jan 4, 2024 20:17:17 GMT
iD network is showing some of the episodes. The whole thing is just weird!
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Post by Gennifer on Jan 4, 2024 21:02:40 GMT
I haven’t watched the final episode, but I actually haven’t really liked them from the beginning. There’s something sketch about them.
Frankly, she needs a lot of help to get through what she’s been dealt, and they do not seem equipped for that.
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Post by AussieMeg on Jan 5, 2024 2:10:55 GMT
I don't know what the truth is about Natalia's age, but I tell you what..... Michael's pretend-crying and over-acting throughout the show made me want to reach through the TV and slap him silly!
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Post by Gennifer on Jan 5, 2024 2:11:08 GMT
So the 2nd family that took her in is now saying she is not being truthful? I need to find this damn show so I can watch for myself! This is the third adoptive family. She was in an orphanage in the Ukraine and then adopted by a family in the US, I think at 5. Then, at 6, she was adopted by the Barnetts, who had her reaged when she was 8. She’s been living with the Mans since shortly after that, for about 10 years now.
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Post by Gennifer on Jan 5, 2024 2:12:01 GMT
I don't know what the truth is about Natalia's age, but I tell you what..... Michael's pretend-crying and over-acting throughout the show made me want to reach through the TV and slap him silly! SUCH a narcissist, and a hyperbolic douchecanoe, too.
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Post by evnimom on Jan 5, 2024 2:40:12 GMT
ACK! I watched the first series when that came out and just finished the second one. I have no idea what to think of it all anymore. I go back and forth. I really don't think there's anyone who is innocent; they are all disgusting people. I'm beginning to suspect everyone is out to make a buck. I hate having my heart strings being played like this.
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Post by jackietex on Jan 5, 2024 3:34:55 GMT
Based on the dental records and bloodwork, I believe she is the lower age. When you add a history of being given up at birth, a major disability, and at least 3 different families (including one that we know was abusive based on what one of the brothers said that he did to her), and I understand why she might have some mental health issues.
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Post by katlady on Jan 5, 2024 3:36:04 GMT
I've only read a couple of articles about her, and I don't know what to think. One thing I read was that with her disease, her teeth can look like those of a young child.
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Post by chaosisapony on Jan 5, 2024 3:42:32 GMT
I find it interesting that even in the court depositions Michael can never make eye contact with anyone.
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Post by mamallama on Jan 5, 2024 7:40:07 GMT
So I just saw this story on People: people.com/natalia-grace-docuseries-ends-with-shocking-allegation-8422152The Ukrainian orphan appeared to have her happy ending with the Mans family when they adopted her after she was abandoned by previous adoptive parents Michael and Kristine Barnett. But the closing minute of the Investigation Discovery show revealed that Antwon and Cynthia Mans were also growing to mistrust Natalia. “Something ain't right with Natalia. This girl is tweakin," Antwon claimed to show producers in a voiceover. "I feel like she's the enemy in the house. And she said to us, we have held her hostage. Made us look like we're the enemy." "Natalia is stabbing her family in the back over a complete lie," his wife added. "She's done other things too, but this was a new low," Antwon continues. "Natalia does not have emotions for nothing but herself. We're done. We're done with her." A final ominous title card on the gripping show read, "Natalia's story will continue." ---So the 2nd family that took her in is now saying she is not being truthful? I need to find this damn show so I can watch for myself! I read another article that talks about how the Mans tagged her in a TikTok video and that she and Cynthia were commenting things like love you to each other. I think it’s a cliffhanger on purpose so that they can make more episodes.
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Post by dewryce on Jan 5, 2024 12:57:53 GMT
Based on the dental records and bloodwork, I believe she is the lower age. When you add a history of being given up at birth, a major disability, and at least 3 different families (including one that we know was abusive based on what one of the brothers said that he did to her), and I understand why she might have some mental health issues. And I know that children who were in orphanages in that part of the world have been found to have a lot of issues from the way they were raised in their formative years. What bloodwork gave an indication of her age?
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