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Post by Merge on Jan 4, 2024 18:18:28 GMT
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Post by freecharlie on Jan 4, 2024 18:25:36 GMT
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Post by happyOCgirl on Jan 4, 2024 20:28:09 GMT
I am so sad for this community to forever have their young lives changed. They, and all our students, deserve better. All students don’t need weak excuses as to why they can’t be safe in their schools.
We have all seen an increase in angry students. I am worried to be a teacher and scared for my students. There has been threatening messages spray painted at my school directed at the principal, one vice principal, and myself. Sheriff has said they are “looking into it” and there’s nothing they can do.
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 4, 2024 21:02:57 GMT
An “aching heart” is going to do about as much as “thoughts and prayers “ which is a big fat nothing in addressing the gun violence in this country.
Nikki Haley
”No parent, student, or teacher should have to wake up and face news about a school shooting. My heart aches for the victims of Perry, Iowa and the entire community.”
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Post by iowgirl on Jan 4, 2024 21:18:21 GMT
This one hits close to home. We are not far from Perry, and when my kids were younger, I went to many sporting events in Perry at the High School.
Perry is a small town of just under 8,000, so everyone knows each other. So tough on everyone.
Politics will surely be brought into this. Fingers pointed, yet nothing changes. A very disturbed young man. I haven't heard much about him yet, other than some video's of him that were taken down fast.
From the look of the wounds on one of the victims, it was a small caliber gun, like a .22
I hear so many stories of how kids behave in school now and have no respect for anyone. Why is this? What causes this? Is parenting to blame? I know a lot of really great young parents, and what would they be doing different than what we did, or our parents did to cause this lack of respect and loss of boundaries.
When I was in school, it was very common for guns to be stored in racks in the back windows of trucks. Very common. People hunted on the way to and from school. My mother said kids brought their rifles into the country school and would put them in the coat room. I know there probably was tragedies back then, but what makes it happen now? No matter the caliber of the weapon - why is it happening?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 4, 2024 21:28:21 GMT
This afternoon they stated he had a pump action shotgun and a hand gun.
One 6th grader deceased. 4 students injured as well as a teacher.
Too bad the citizens are still supporting TFG and their guns!
They are not being forthcoming with info. Guess they want to slide it under the rug.
Yes, I am pissed that people no longer care about all of our children.
Why do they choose our kids safety from guns. No as Tim Burchett says, he sends his kids PRIVATE school or home schools. Not all of us have those choices. Screw the gop gropers!
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Post by Mel on Jan 4, 2024 21:39:58 GMT
We are about 3 hours from Perry and even here the schools immediately had a more active "police presence" this morning. This should NOT happen!!
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Post by luckyjune on Jan 5, 2024 1:06:43 GMT
Four days into the new year and two school shootings. Holy hell.
When do teachers walk off the job and refuse to return until there is massive change in gun laws? We saw how society struggled when schools were closed during covid. How long would it take for the economy, social services, and national security to fall apart because kids are not in school?
I don't take this stance lightly. I know kids suffered (and many continue to suffer) because of being away from school during the pandemic. And I don't think the issue is the responsibility of teachers, at all. They do hold the power here, though. Would it be ugly? Yes. I cannot fathom how else changes will be made.
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Post by Merge on Jan 5, 2024 1:25:39 GMT
Four days into the new year and two school shootings. Holy hell. When do teachers walk off the job and refuse to return until there is massive change in gun laws? We saw how society struggled when schools were closed during covid. How long would it take for the economy, social services, and national security to fall apart because kids are not in school? I don't take this stance lightly. I know kids suffered (and many continue to suffer) because of being away from school during the pandemic. And I don't think the issue is the responsibility of teachers, at all. They do hold the power here, though. Would it be ugly? Yes. I cannot fathom how else changes will be made. I don’t disagree with you, but in states like mine we can lose our job and our license for walking out or striking. So there’s that. Our governor would use it as an excuse to close all the public schools and turn them over to private charter operators, which is what he wants to do anyway. I am refusing to do any more active shooter training until my state does something about the guns. And of course, many teachers are simply leaving the profession entirely. |
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Post by AussieMeg on Jan 5, 2024 1:27:45 GMT
FFS y'all are only five four days into the new year, and there have already been TWO school shootings. And FOUR mass shootings in total.
ETA: *four days in, I forgot that I'm a day ahead.
My stepmum's niece and her two kids have just moved back to Australia from Tennessee in December, and her American husband will be joining them when he finishes up at his job. The number one reason she decided to leave the US and come home is gun violence.
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Post by luckyjune on Jan 5, 2024 2:28:45 GMT
Four days into the new year and two school shootings. Holy hell. When do teachers walk off the job and refuse to return until there is massive change in gun laws? We saw how society struggled when schools were closed during covid. How long would it take for the economy, social services, and national security to fall apart because kids are not in school? I don't take this stance lightly. I know kids suffered (and many continue to suffer) because of being away from school during the pandemic. And I don't think the issue is the responsibility of teachers, at all. They do hold the power here, though. Would it be ugly? Yes. I cannot fathom how else changes will be made. I don’t disagree with you, but in states like mine we can lose our job and our license for walking out or striking. So there’s that. Our governor would use it as an excuse to close all the public schools and turn them over to private charter operators, which is what he wants to do anyway. I am refusing to do any more active shooter training until my state does something about the guns. And of course, many teachers are simply leaving the profession entirely. Sadly, I can see that happening in several states. We know they wouldn't be successful in the turnover to private schools, but maybe when all you care about are the children from white, wealthy, Christian families, the details around educating all kids don't really matter. And segregation is a byproduct. The culture the white supremacists have always dreamed of: the haves and the have-nots. I used to think it would take (heaven forbid) a prominent republican's child injured in a shooting before the tide would turn. Now I think the MAGAs would just be out for revenge and nothing else would change. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 5, 2024 4:49:11 GMT
This one hits close to home. We are not far from Perry, and when my kids were younger, I went to many sporting events in Perry at the High School. Perry is a small town of just under 8,000, so everyone knows each other. So tough on everyone. Politics will surely be brought into this. Fingers pointed, yet nothing changes. A very disturbed young man. I haven't heard much about him yet, other than some video's of him that were taken down fast. From the look of the wounds on one of the victims, it was a small caliber gun, like a .22 I hear so many stories of how kids behave in school now and have no respect for anyone. Why is this? What causes this? Is parenting to blame? I know a lot of really great young parents, and what would they be doing different than what we did, or our parents did to cause this lack of respect and loss of boundaries. When I was in school, it was very common for guns to be stored in racks in the back windows of trucks. Very common. People hunted on the way to and from school. My mother said kids brought their rifles into the country school and would put them in the coat room. I know there probably was tragedies back then, but what makes it happen now? No matter the caliber of the weapon - why is it happening? I think about this a lot. Often times people say that it’s trauma, and I don’t discount the role that family dysfunction plays in a child’s life and personality development. But there has always been trauma. However, I think the sense of community is different in many places and for many people. They don’t feel connected, they don’t have a support system outside of their immediate family (and if that system is chaotic or abusive they don’t have that, either). We have gotten to be an even more individualistic society. Reading comments on news articles on social media is disturbing for a lot of reasons, but if you read comments on a story involving a shooting you will often see comments that justify it. Like “he deserved to get shot because he was doing xyz”. The attitude towards guns and how they are used is different than it used to be. People see and hear others saying things that used to be seen as inappropriate and now it’s glorified. They also now have chat rooms and other ways to connect with other disturbed people. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 5, 2024 5:45:51 GMT
luckyjune the parents from the private Christian Covenant School in Tennessee that had a shooting with deaths of children and adults last year, are campaigning to change gun safety laws there. I welcome their actions. As I remember one of the women who was killed was friends with the Governor and his wife and was supposed to have dinner at their house that night..
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Post by gar on Jan 5, 2024 11:07:56 GMT
FFS y'all are only five four days into the new year, and there have already been TWO school shootings. And FOUR mass shootings in total. ETA: *four days in, I forgot that I'm a day ahead. My stepmum's niece and her two kids have just moved back to Australia from Tennessee in December, and her American husband will be joining them when he finishes up at his job. The number one reason she decided to leave the US and come home is gun violence. I saw the report of this shooting on BBC news before anyone had started a thread...what does it say that I didn't react with shock and horror or immediately start a thread myself? It truly is incomprehensible and must be so depressing to live with this seemingly insurmountable problem. |
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Post by Merge on Jan 5, 2024 16:23:29 GMT
This one hits close to home. We are not far from Perry, and when my kids were younger, I went to many sporting events in Perry at the High School. Perry is a small town of just under 8,000, so everyone knows each other. So tough on everyone. Politics will surely be brought into this. Fingers pointed, yet nothing changes. A very disturbed young man. I haven't heard much about him yet, other than some video's of him that were taken down fast. From the look of the wounds on one of the victims, it was a small caliber gun, like a .22 I hear so many stories of how kids behave in school now and have no respect for anyone. Why is this? What causes this? Is parenting to blame? I know a lot of really great young parents, and what would they be doing different than what we did, or our parents did to cause this lack of respect and loss of boundaries. When I was in school, it was very common for guns to be stored in racks in the back windows of trucks. Very common. People hunted on the way to and from school. My mother said kids brought their rifles into the country school and would put them in the coat room. I know there probably was tragedies back then, but what makes it happen now? No matter the caliber of the weapon - why is it happening? I think about this a lot. Often times people say that it’s trauma, and I don’t discount the role that family dysfunction plays in a child’s life and personality development. But there has always been trauma. However, I think the sense of community is different in many places and for many people. They don’t feel connected, they don’t have a support system outside of their immediate family (and if that system is chaotic or abusive they don’t have that, either). We have gotten to be an even more individualistic society. Reading comments on news articles on social media is disturbing for a lot of reasons, but if you read comments on a story involving a shooting you will often see comments that justify it. Like “he deserved to get shot because he was doing xyz”. The attitude towards guns and how they are used is different than it used to be. People see and hear others saying things that used to be seen as inappropriate and now it’s glorified. They also now have chat rooms and other ways to connect with other disturbed people. The prevailing attitude among the right that we have no responsibility to our fellow human beings plays into this, I think. It’s every person for himself. And we’re simply not designed to live that way. In school we try to teach community and compassion and now those efforts are being vilified. The right would rather teach that every person you meet is a potential threat, so you need to be armed at all times to protect yourself. And then you take that stark individualist attitude and make guns easy to acquire, and you get our current situation. |
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Post by peppermintpatty on Jan 5, 2024 16:56:23 GMT
This one hits close to home. We are not far from Perry, and when my kids were younger, I went to many sporting events in Perry at the High School. Perry is a small town of just under 8,000, so everyone knows each other. So tough on everyone. Politics will surely be brought into this. Fingers pointed, yet nothing changes. A very disturbed young man. I haven't heard much about him yet, other than some video's of him that were taken down fast. From the look of the wounds on one of the victims, it was a small caliber gun, like a .22 I hear so many stories of how kids behave in school now and have no respect for anyone. Why is this? What causes this? Is parenting to blame? I know a lot of really great young parents, and what would they be doing different than what we did, or our parents did to cause this lack of respect and loss of boundaries. When I was in school, it was very common for guns to be stored in racks in the back windows of trucks. Very common. People hunted on the way to and from school. My mother said kids brought their rifles into the country school and would put them in the coat room. I know there probably was tragedies back then, but what makes it happen now? No matter the caliber of the weapon - why is it happening? It isn't only the parents. It has to do with the internet and Covid. My teacher friends said that kids got so used to not having to be in class for over a year and so they became more focused on their screens. Their brains got hard wired during that time and they can't sit still or be respectful. The parents weren't home most of the time so they got away with so much shit that wouldn't normally have been considered to be okay. It isn't just in the US. Teachers in Europe are seeing the same thing. The difference is our stupid country will allow any idiot to own a gun so we have this massive problem. You want to stop this, take away the guns. I don't give a damn if it is your "right". NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO TAKE A GUN AND END A LIFE. NO ONE, END OF STORY. The founding fathers did NOT specify that every nutjob in this country has the right to blow away kids when they feel like they have been disrespected. |
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Post by scrapbookwriter on Jan 5, 2024 19:45:40 GMT
This one hits close to home. We are not far from Perry, and when my kids were younger, I went to many sporting events in Perry at the High School. Perry is a small town of just under 8,000, so everyone knows each other. So tough on everyone. Politics will surely be brought into this. Fingers pointed, yet nothing changes. A very disturbed young man. I haven't heard much about him yet, other than some video's of him that were taken down fast. From the look of the wounds on one of the victims, it was a small caliber gun, like a .22 I hear so many stories of how kids behave in school now and have no respect for anyone. Why is this? What causes this? Is parenting to blame? I know a lot of really great young parents, and what would they be doing different than what we did, or our parents did to cause this lack of respect and loss of boundaries. When I was in school, it was very common for guns to be stored in racks in the back windows of trucks. Very common. People hunted on the way to and from school. My mother said kids brought their rifles into the country school and would put them in the coat room. I know there probably was tragedies back then, but what makes it happen now? No matter the caliber of the weapon - why is it happening? I think about this a lot. Often times people say that it’s trauma, and I don’t discount the role that family dysfunction plays in a child’s life and personality development. But there has always been trauma. However, I think the sense of community is different in many places and for many people. They don’t feel connected, they don’t have a support system outside of their immediate family (and if that system is chaotic or abusive they don’t have that, either). We have gotten to be an even more individualistic society. Reading comments on news articles on social media is disturbing for a lot of reasons, but if you read comments on a story involving a shooting you will often see comments that justify it. Like “he deserved to get shot because he was doing xyz”. The attitude towards guns and how they are used is different than it used to be. People see and hear others saying things that used to be seen as inappropriate and now it’s glorified. They also now have chat rooms and other ways to connect with other disturbed people. I think about this a lot too. This issue is bigger than access to guns. This is about American society. We lived in Switzerland for a few years in the 1990s. Violence was incredibly rare - I remember there was a murder in downtown Zurich and it was so unusual that it was updated on the evening news every night for six months. Yet, every single household in Switzerland had at least one gun, because every Swiss male was part of the Swiss army reserve. Each soldier kept their uniforms and guns at home when they weren't serving their annual reserve time. I would see men in camouflage uniforms riding the town bus with their rifle in hand, and no one thought twice about it. So to me it's clear the problem goes beyond access to guns. The problem is us. Our society is sick. That's not to say we shouldn't regulate gun sales. Of course we should. We must. We should have been doing this all along. But that's not enough. Many call for outlawing civilian gun ownership altogether, but I don't think that's possible. We can't possibly gather all the guns that have already been sold. Wikipedia says "American civilians account for an estimated 393 million (about 46 percent) of the worldwide total of civilian held firearms, or about 120.5 firearms for every 100 American residents." *Hundreds of millions of guns.* There is no way to get that horse back in the barn. And if every law-abiding civilian citizen turned in their guns, the non-law-abiding citizens would be the only armed civilians. That would never fly in this country. So what is the solution? I have more questions than answers. It seems to me that better access to mental health care would be a great step. How do we do that? Also, how do we counteract bullying in schools? How do we retrain students and parents to respect teachers? And also, how can we foster a better sense of community in American society? |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 6, 2024 1:43:34 GMT
Talking about our society.... 'We have to get over it' said by their great leader after the school shooting in Iowa!! scrapbookwriterMerge |
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 6, 2024 3:18:52 GMT
The lack of compassion from Trump is not surprising, but despicable. Even Ted Cruz managed thoughts and prayers. That's a pretty low bar. Every time I think Trump has hit rock bottom, he manages to sink even further. The depths that he will sink to is apparently a bottomless pit. 2020 election - Maybe Trump should just "get over it". He lost. apnews.com/article/perry-school-shooting-iowa-caucuses-republicans-58319a72e50adc34f7d50fabdf4416beIf true, this might be an even worse response His response is an absolutely terrible idea, if he's serious |
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