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Post by pinkgreen on Jan 20, 2024 18:06:03 GMT
My mom is 76 years old and lives alone. As everyone does, she gets frequent telemarketing calls, many of which are scam attempts. She will be told a bill is outstanding, that her computer is compromised, she needs to send info, etc.
Just after my dad passed away, she fell for one attempt, but thankfully got help in the middle of getting mixed up in things, so we were able to get things fixed before the situation went too far.
Today she called. She was upset and wanted me to call Cox because the gentleman that called kept insisting that she send a copy of her last payment check. She had went round and round with him on the phone and talked about how aggressive the man was. I’m trying to explain that this was not Cox she had spoken with, but someone trying to get her financial info and then I’ve hurt her feelings and she gets mad at me. We also had a piece of junk mail that she got worked up about this week. Such a fun cycle!
I am trying to educate her as we go, but she is still not easily differentiating between real business interactions and those trying to take advantage. It’s frustrating and I’m having difficulty being patient.
This is probably just a vent on my part - I’m reaching the part of our relationship where I am taking more of the parent role. Watching your parents age is hard!
Anyone’s experiences and tips are welcome on helping her recognize those trying to take advantage.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 20, 2024 18:13:17 GMT
I am the elderly. I do not answer unknown numbers. My phone has Google screening which answers calls and offers me a chance to see a written response as the caller speaks. Most do not speak to the screening. I can let it go or answer and hang up.
I do not click any links in emails.
My phone, my computer, I choose who I engage with.
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Post by pinkgreen on Jan 20, 2024 18:16:19 GMT
That is my goal for her - I am so glad you can do that!
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Post by MDscrapaholic on Jan 20, 2024 18:41:21 GMT
Can you ask your Mom not to answer the phone if she doesn't recognize the number? Let it go to voicemail. That might get rid of a lot of those spam calls.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 20, 2024 18:46:55 GMT
I will say that some of the unsolicited emails, particularly from what appears to be know sites you have delt with are hard to bypass. Hovering over the address is so very helpful. Do many have Gmail and other unknown addresses, NOT real company addresses.
I do forward them on to report to the real sites. Hopefully they get enough to investigate. No sure I would suggest that to your mom though...
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Post by milocat on Jan 20, 2024 18:50:09 GMT
Have you told her to hang up, just hang up, don't say anything so they can try and convince her that they are real. And then call the place herself and ask if there is an issue with her account. If she's worried about being rude to a legit business, tell her that they will understand if she really did hang up on them, no one will want her to be scammed. And remind her legit people are never aggressive.
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Post by librarylady on Jan 20, 2024 19:25:55 GMT
Elderly person here...we are so old we have a land line.
We let all calls go to the answering machine. 99% of the scammers hang up and do not leave a message. The rare ones who do leave a message are easily deleted.
I don't want my cell phone to receive spam calls so I share that number only with friends or family.
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Post by femalebusiness on Jan 20, 2024 19:35:41 GMT
Elderly person here...we are so old we have a land line. We let all calls go to the answering machine. 99% of the scammers hang up and do not leave a message. The rare ones who do leave a message are easily deleted. I don't want my cell phone to receive spam calls so I share that number only with friends or family. Same. Exactly. Anyone who really wants to talk to me like Dr. office, friends etc, they say who is calling and leave a message. I never, ever answer my phone. I have never had a legitimate call not say who is calling. I will never understand people who engage with random people on the phone.
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Post by leeny on Jan 20, 2024 19:38:57 GMT
Do you have an Area Agency on Aging or Senior Center in her area? Many offer seminars on scammers and fraud and maybe if she hears it from them and not you it may be more helpful. My 81 yo Mom won't let the calls go to voice mail because she gets joy out of telling the people F*ck You! I hate it because they now know she will answer the phone.
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Post by calgaryscrapper on Jan 20, 2024 20:42:01 GMT
I got a call one day from “my favorite grandson” needing cash. I pretended not to hear and asked his name. He seemed surprised that I asked and actually said my husbands name. I enjoyed wasting his time then he hung up on me. If you have not done so consider being on your Mom’s bank account to monitor transactions and pay bills if needed.
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Post by Zee on Jan 20, 2024 22:04:53 GMT
Get a financial POA and put all her bills on autopay and give her access to a small account with a small amount of money each month that she could "afford" to lose, with a debit card. Or do a pre-paid credit card with a limit.
Take away all other cards and checks (no one needs checks). Get her a tracphone and uninstall the land line as they are really nothing but a hotline for scammers and telemarketers and she can't seem to resist answering.
Or, adjust to the idea that she's going to fall prey to a scam at some point since she continues to engage and can't seem to realize it.
I'm glad my MIL is pretty savvy about this stuff. She just turned 80 and has all her faculties but if I thought she was about to lose everything to scammers I'd be pursuing the above steps.
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Post by GiantsFan on Jan 20, 2024 22:25:18 GMT
Here is a website that I sent to my dad regarding seniors and scams. He calls me now every time he gets a suspicious email or text or call. The best point I hope he remembers from this article is that nothing is urgent. If the scammers need immediate funds sent or bank, credit card or SSN, then he needs to hang up and block the number. His bills are all automatically paid via online banking. Again there is nothing urgent that needs paid over the phone or email. The most recent one was the shipping/delivery scam that they have the wrong address and they need to you click a link to confirm some information so they can deliver your package. Luckily #1 he is a "in person" kind of guy and was just getting ready to drive the the post office to talk to them about it so he didn't click the link and #2, I just happened to call him right before he left and he mentioned he was going to the PO. I told him it was a scam because the USPS knows where he lives. Good luck with your mom. ETA: You could also watch some of the Scammer Payback videos on YT with her. So she can see these people are bad guys.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 20, 2024 23:27:21 GMT
Get a financial POA and put all her bills on autopay and give her access to a small account with a small amount of money each month that she could "afford" to lose, with a debit card. Or do a pre-paid credit card with a limit. Take away all other cards and checks (no one needs checks). Get her a tracphone and uninstall the land line as they are really nothing but a hotline for scammers and telemarketers and she can't seem to resist answering. Or, adjust to the idea that she's going to fall prey to a scam at some point since she continues to engage and can't seem to realize it. I'm glad my MIL is pretty savvy about this stuff. She just turned 80 and has all her faculties but if I thought she was about to lose everything to scammers I'd be pursuing the above steps. That's pretty drastic. OP really can't do that in her own, her mom would have to agree. And I DO need checks. I write two a month. One to the gas company because I refuse to pay their 'fee' for online payments. They provide the envelope and add the stamp. I also write a check for my rent. Their online fee is just short of $20.00. That is highway robbery!!
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Post by Zee on Jan 20, 2024 23:58:25 GMT
Get a financial POA and put all her bills on autopay and give her access to a small account with a small amount of money each month that she could "afford" to lose, with a debit card. Or do a pre-paid credit card with a limit. Take away all other cards and checks (no one needs checks). Get her a tracphone and uninstall the land line as they are really nothing but a hotline for scammers and telemarketers and she can't seem to resist answering. Or, adjust to the idea that she's going to fall prey to a scam at some point since she continues to engage and can't seem to realize it. I'm glad my MIL is pretty savvy about this stuff. She just turned 80 and has all her faculties but if I thought she was about to lose everything to scammers I'd be pursuing the above steps. That's pretty drastic. OP really can't do that in her own, her mom would have to agree. And I DO need checks. I write two a month. One to the gas company because I refuse to pay their 'fee' for online payments. They provide the envelope and add the stamp. I also write a check for my rent. Their online fee is just short of $20.00. That is highway robbery!! Yes, obviously her mom would have to agree. So the other option is to wait for the inevitable. And you choosing not to pay a fee doesn't equal needing a check. Plus three daughter could be added to the checking account and cover that for her. I haven't needed a check in the entire 5.5 years I've lived here. I do know my husband just wrote one for a surveyor, but he didn't have to add he was lucky to even find the checkbook. Anyone requiring only a physical check in today's world is shutting themselves out of being paid.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 21, 2024 1:15:57 GMT
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Post by katlady on Jan 21, 2024 2:49:56 GMT
I glad my mom is not tech savvy and does not use a computer. That is one less thing I have to worry about. She is also aware of scams and does not answer the phone unless it is someone she knows. She does write a check for all her bills, uses cash at stores, and only uses her credit card for large purchases. And she does not have a cell phone. We bought her a cell phone for safety reasons, but she always kept it turned off. She is too old to change and I don’t even try.
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Post by malibou on Jan 21, 2024 10:38:59 GMT
My dad is savvy, but I worry about the dopey shit my mom will do when my dad passes. I send my mom articles about all the ways scammers will try to take her money, and hope she reads them. This is definitely something my siblings and I need to discuss and work out a plan for before my dad passes.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jan 21, 2024 12:30:22 GMT
Can you ask your Mom not to answer the phone if she doesn't recognize the number? Let it go to voicemail. That might get rid of a lot of those spam calls. This is where I am with my father.
I told him to not answer any calls that don't come up as contacts.
Also stuff with mail bs and email bs.
I absolutely hate that there is so much scammy stuff allowed, or at least not stopped.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 21, 2024 12:37:41 GMT
As a senior, here is what I do:
1) Think about getting rid of the landline phone if you have not already done so. This eliminates a LOT of calls. I was hesitant to get rid of mine, but honestly, I have not missed it one bit.
2) I do not answer the phone if I don’t recognize the number. The caller can leave a voicemail. This avoids a lot of problems, because often they hang up without leaving a message.
3) Regarding emails, if you get one that looks funny or has a lot of spelling errors, don’t put it in the trash. Put it in junk. If an email tells me that I have won a prize, or UPS needs information from me to deliver a package, I immediately junk it.
4) Also regarding email, if an email tells me that I owe money, or that a payment is late, I do not respond. I do NOT use any phone numbers that are in the email. Instead, I look up the phone number of the company myself and call them.
So basically, do not respond directly either by phone or email to scammers. Find the phone number of whatever company they mention and call that company yourself.
ETA: Here is another thing that I do. I set up a lot of my payments to be paid automatically. If you have not introduced your parents to automatic bill pay, why not? You can show them how to navigate online banking, and set up recurring automatic payments for them. I love it. It’s not for everyone, but nowadays checks are being stolen in the mail frequently. It’s something to think about.
I suspect that it is hard for many of you to help your parents because you know a lot about how computers, emails, etc work, and your parents probably do not. But many of them can learn; they just have to be shown step by step.
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Post by katiekaty on Jan 22, 2024 1:34:03 GMT
Get a financial POA and put all her bills on autopay and give her access to a small account with a small amount of money each month that she could "afford" to lose, with a debit card. Or do a pre-paid credit card with a limit. Take away all other cards and checks (no one needs checks). Get her a tracphone and uninstall the land line as they are really nothing but a hotline for scammers and telemarketers and she can't seem to resist answering. Or, adjust to the idea that she's going to fall prey to a scam at some point since she continues to engage and can't seem to realize it. I'm glad my MIL is pretty savvy about this stuff. She just turned 80 and has all her faculties but if I thought she was about to lose everything to scammers I'd be pursuing the above steps. You cannot just obtain a financial POA without her consent and if you pursue it we’re to pursue it against her wishes, it would have to done in court. It takes a hell of lot to prove some incompetent and incapable of caring for themselves and as such that the need to give up any of their independence.
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 22, 2024 2:22:45 GMT
Get a financial POA and put all her bills on autopay and give her access to a small account with a small amount of money each month that she could "afford" to lose, with a debit card. Or do a pre-paid credit card with a limit. Take away all other cards and checks (no one needs checks). Get her a tracphone and uninstall the land line as they are really nothing but a hotline for scammers and telemarketers and she can't seem to resist answering. Or, adjust to the idea that she's going to fall prey to a scam at some point since she continues to engage and can't seem to realize it. I'm glad my MIL is pretty savvy about this stuff. She just turned 80 and has all her faculties but if I thought she was about to lose everything to scammers I'd be pursuing the above steps. I use checks all the time to add money to my kids' lunch account at school, because if you use the online option there's a transaction fee. My hair stylist prefers a check so she won't have to pay for the additional credit card fee for her transaction. To pay my vehicle license renewal online vs. check is another additional fee. So yes, some people still use checks. Oh, and several months before my mom passed, while visiting, she had me drop off a check for her water bill because she didn't want to pay fees for online.
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Post by Zee on Jan 22, 2024 4:23:42 GMT
Get a financial POA and put all her bills on autopay and give her access to a small account with a small amount of money each month that she could "afford" to lose, with a debit card. Or do a pre-paid credit card with a limit. Take away all other cards and checks (no one needs checks). Get her a tracphone and uninstall the land line as they are really nothing but a hotline for scammers and telemarketers and she can't seem to resist answering. Or, adjust to the idea that she's going to fall prey to a scam at some point since she continues to engage and can't seem to realize it. I'm glad my MIL is pretty savvy about this stuff. She just turned 80 and has all her faculties but if I thought she was about to lose everything to scammers I'd be pursuing the above steps. You cannot just obtain a financial POA without her consent and if you pursue it we’re to pursue it against her wishes, it would have to done in court. It takes a hell of lot to prove some incompetent and incapable of caring for themselves and as such that the need to give up any of their independence. Obviously. 🙄
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Post by Zee on Jan 22, 2024 4:27:29 GMT
Get a financial POA and put all her bills on autopay and give her access to a small account with a small amount of money each month that she could "afford" to lose, with a debit card. Or do a pre-paid credit card with a limit. Take away all other cards and checks (no one needs checks). Get her a tracphone and uninstall the land line as they are really nothing but a hotline for scammers and telemarketers and she can't seem to resist answering. Or, adjust to the idea that she's going to fall prey to a scam at some point since she continues to engage and can't seem to realize it. I'm glad my MIL is pretty savvy about this stuff. She just turned 80 and has all her faculties but if I thought she was about to lose everything to scammers I'd be pursuing the above steps. I use checks all the time to add money to my kids' lunch account at school, because if you use the online option there's a transaction fee. My hair stylist prefers a check so she won't have to pay for the additional credit card fee for her transaction. To pay my vehicle license renewal online vs. check is another additional fee. So yes, some people still use checks. Oh, and several months before my mom passed, while visiting, she had me drop off a check for her water bill because she didn't want to pay fees for online. I didn't say NO ONE EVER USES CHECKS. I said you don't HAVE to, you just want to avoid a fee. Billpay sends checks for me, for free, to places like the doctor's office or whatever. Is that not an option for you? Never mind, I see people want to keep writing checks. Whatever!
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 22, 2024 4:31:07 GMT
I use checks all the time to add money to my kids' lunch account at school, because if you use the online option there's a transaction fee. My hair stylist prefers a check so she won't have to pay for the additional credit card fee for her transaction. To pay my vehicle license renewal online vs. check is another additional fee. So yes, some people still use checks. Oh, and several months before my mom passed, while visiting, she had me drop off a check for her water bill because she didn't want to pay fees for online. I didn't say NO ONE EVER USES CHECKS. I said you don't HAVE to, you just want to avoid a fee. Billpay sends checks for me, for free, to places like the doctor's office or whatever. Is that not an option for you? Never mind, I see people want to keep writing checks. Whatever! yes, I have bill pay from my bank, too, but there's a monthly fee, but waived if you deposit your monthly check, so if you don't have a monthly check deposited you are charged a fee.
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 22, 2024 4:33:10 GMT
I use checks all the time to add money to my kids' lunch account at school, because if you use the online option there's a transaction fee. My hair stylist prefers a check so she won't have to pay for the additional credit card fee for her transaction. To pay my vehicle license renewal online vs. check is another additional fee. So yes, some people still use checks. Oh, and several months before my mom passed, while visiting, she had me drop off a check for her water bill because she didn't want to pay fees for online. I didn't say NO ONE EVER USES CHECKS. I said you don't HAVE to, you just want to avoid a fee. Billpay sends checks for me, for free, to places like the doctor's office or whatever. Is that not an option for you? Never mind, I see people want to keep writing checks. Whatever! you said no one needs checks, which yes, people do need checks to avoid fees.
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Post by ntsf on Jan 22, 2024 16:33:43 GMT
my dad learned a mantra.. " I don't do business over the phone" and then hang up. if it is legit, they can call back and leave a message.
something simple may be best, and putting stuff on autopay.
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Post by epeanymous on Jan 22, 2024 17:20:40 GMT
This has been an ongoing thing with my mother, who both gets paranoid about legitimate things (she paid her rent in cash last year because of paranoia) and unquestioning about things she should question (she got moderately scammed buying a car a few months ago, which I posted about on here). It's hard to watch, and I've just had to accept that my options are to go to court and get power of attorney or that at some point she might end up in financial peril, because she is definitely not taking any help from me about it. I am sorry you are dealing with it. I have encouraged my mother to go to classes at the local senior center, which they seem to have, that cover things like computer and email savviness, but so far she has been unwilling; maybe you'd have better luck.
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Post by workingclassdog on Jan 22, 2024 21:56:49 GMT
Yes my sister and I are always on top of my mom but she is pretty good about things. Of course, she can still get scammed, but I think we have drilled it into her. Plus, her sister got scammed out of a lot of money so she always has that in the back of her head.
Then there is my stepfather... we go through mom to talk to him. He seems to think he has to always answer the phone even if he doesn't recognize the number. I think we have finally got him to not answer and told him if it is important or a doctor's office calling that they will leave a message.
It's a struggle.
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