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Post by papersilly on Feb 6, 2024 19:26:44 GMT
in light of the testimony and evidence presented, i think the jury made the right decision.
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Post by sideways on Feb 6, 2024 19:29:08 GMT
My first reaction was elation and then tears. My heart is with the families of Madisyn, Tate, Justin, Hana, those who survived their injuries, and everyone who was traumatized that day.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Feb 6, 2024 20:02:37 GMT
IMO the kid was ASKING for help, and yet they gave him a gun. She went into school that day due to voilent drawings and they (she - I dont remember if the dad was there too) still left him there. THen he shot kids. Had she taken him home, its possible he may not have shot kids. Or maybe he would have shot kids the next day. but if she had taken him home maybe it would have looked like she was trying.
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Post by Merge on Feb 6, 2024 20:15:40 GMT
I hope parents that allow their kids to access guns or even give them as gifts will think again after this verdict. So much senseless tragedy. Since kids cannot legally purchase guns, I feel the adult who purchased the gun should always be held responsible when a minor commits a crime with it.
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uksue
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Post by uksue on Feb 6, 2024 20:52:00 GMT
I agree with the verdict even though I was stunned the jury got there.
Will the school be held responsible in any way? I guess their argument is they didn't have the full picture, but did they ask 'does he have access to a firearm?'
If only either parents or school checked his backpack/locker, if only the school insisted they take him home which does happen here in the UK (But would either parent have stayed with him? Would it just have delayed things? So many questions that we will never know the answer to)
Don't schools have metal detectors? I know the schools close to me do because of the knife problem we have here ( both my sons have lost a friend due to stabbing, which occured outside of school 😢)
I hope any appeal takes a very long time so she's forced to sit there, and I hope the father is found equally culpable. The prosecution did well.
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Post by stampnscrap1128 on Feb 6, 2024 23:35:09 GMT
I'm absolutely thrilled with the verdict.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Feb 7, 2024 0:59:37 GMT
I am so glad this verdict was reached. Shocked, but glad. It won't bring back the victims, but it was the right verdict to reach.
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 7, 2024 1:44:32 GMT
She and her husband gave him the gun, and neglected to get him help when the school raised concerns about his state of mind. I have very little sympathy for her.
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Post by johnnysmom on Feb 7, 2024 2:27:46 GMT
I agree with the verdict even though I was stunned the jury got there. Will the school be held responsible in any way? I guess their argument is they didn't have the full picture, but did they ask 'does he have access to a firearm?' If only either parents or school checked his backpack/locker, if only the school insisted they take him home which does happen here in the UK (But would either parent have stayed with him? Would it just have delayed things? So many questions that we will never know the answer to) Don't schools have metal detectors? I know the schools close to me do because of the knife problem we have here ( both my sons have lost a friend due to stabbing, which occured outside of school 😢) I hope any appeal takes a very long time so she's forced to sit there, and I hope the father is found equally culpable. The prosecution did well. I’ve not been following the trial so I don’t know if it was ever stated….but I would have assumed that they would have done a threat assessment on him once they found those drawings. The assessment would have included questions about access to guns and a safety plan. I’ve seen them done on a 2nd graders where for awhile an adult meets them at drop off, the adult carries the child’s backpack, coat, etc directly to the office and 2 staff search every pocket of everything. Sometimes the items stay in the office. And this is a small school with limited resources and no metal detectors (I don’t think those are really as common as the news makes it sound, at least not around here). I’m curious if CPS was ever involved with this family and how that might play out if they were and didn’t do anything (lack of mental health care could be medical neglect right? At least reportable I’d think
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Post by peppermintpatty on Feb 7, 2024 14:12:21 GMT
She deserves everything they throw at her. I am pretty sure the father will get the same since he bought the gun. These two are disgusting. The kid asked for help, he ASKED for help. They bought him a gun. He ASKED for mental health help. They laughed at him. He ASKED for mental health help. They thought he was joking. She thought the drawings were of a superhero! Really? These two should be in prison for life. She has the possibility of 60 years (15 per conviction).
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Post by bunnyhug on Feb 7, 2024 16:07:13 GMT
In my province right now, the far right religious conservatives are on a big tear about "parental rights". I feel like if parental rights are going to be such a big deal and so supported and protected (although the rights of children don't count, I guess? At least around here ), that parental responsibilities need to be at least as important. There are so many resources in the world to help folks be better/good parents--or even just parents who *try*, ffs--that if someone can't be bothered to engage, they should be held accountable for their choices.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Feb 7, 2024 16:10:57 GMT
I agree with the verdict even though I was stunned the jury got there. Will the school be held responsible in any way? I guess their argument is they didn't have the full picture, but did they ask 'does he have access to a firearm?' If only either parents or school checked his backpack/locker, if only the school insisted they take him home which does happen here in the UK (But would either parent have stayed with him? Would it just have delayed things? So many questions that we will never know the answer to) Don't schools have metal detectors? I know the schools close to me do because of the knife problem we have here ( both my sons have lost a friend due to stabbing, which occured outside of school 😢) I hope any appeal takes a very long time so she's forced to sit there, and I hope the father is found equally culpable. The prosecution did well. I’ve not been following the trial so I don’t know if it was ever stated….but I would have assumed that they would have done a threat assessment on him once they found those drawings. The assessment would have included questions about access to guns and a safety plan. I’ve seen them done on a 2nd graders where for awhile an adult meets them at drop off, the adult carries the child’s backpack, coat, etc directly to the office and 2 staff search every pocket of everything. Sometimes the items stay in the office. And this is a small school with limited resources and no metal detectors (I don’t think those are really as common as the news makes it sound, at least not around here). I’m curious if CPS was ever involved with this family and how that might play out if they were and didn’t do anything (lack of mental health care could be medical neglect right? At least reportable I’d think I believe the drawings were brought to attention the morning of the shooting. I think they saw the drawings, called the parents (mom?) in and she opted to leave him there, and never mentioned that they gave him at gun or he had access at home to one. Then he carried out the shooting several hours later.
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Post by RosieKat on Feb 9, 2024 20:57:02 GMT
They gave him the gun as a gift. I'm not against adult gun ownership and I'm not against teaching a responsible teenager how to use a hunting rifle or shotgun for supervised activities. But what 15 year old needs a handgun? On the day of the shooting, the school showed her the drawings and she refused to get her son help. To me this case is very clear. Her actions directly contributed to the deaths. She's an accessory. I think it is a terrible precedent to let such egregious behavior by a parent slide. She deserves everything they throw at her. I am pretty sure the father will get the same since he bought the gun. These two are disgusting. The kid asked for help, he ASKED for help. They bought him a gun. He ASKED for mental health help. They laughed at him. He ASKED for mental health help. They thought he was joking. She thought the drawings were of a superhero! Really? I fully agree with both of these. No, a parent cannot ever fully control what a child does, despite best efforts. But it seems clear that she pretty much gave NO effort to helping her child get the help he begged for. Additionally, it's just a basic tenet of responsible gun ownership that you don't give a mentally ill person a gun! She was criminally irresponsible, IMO, which led to violent death. She did not pull the trigger, but she completely facilitated it. This case is very different from a kid where the parent was trying to get them mental health treatment, the kid secretly got a hold of a weapon, etc. Not every parent should be held accountable for what their child does if it is clear the parent did everything humanly possible to help. But I think this case was everything short of holding the gun for her child and putting his finger on the trigger.
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