snowdie
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Post by snowdie on Feb 8, 2024 2:03:39 GMT
I tried searching this term and wasn’t finding specific threads on it. I am thinking this might have been discussed before 😀 Besides buying expensive LTC insurance, are there other ways any of you have planned for your later year health care needs? I have been reading about some alternative options but they are complicated and not cheap either.
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Post by Zee on Feb 8, 2024 2:15:57 GMT
I think I'll just do a wheelchair and a cliff. That would be my preferred option, but only if there were no witnesses so no one would have to waste time trying to rescue me.
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Post by katiekaty on Feb 8, 2024 2:19:58 GMT
Get LTC insurance as soon as you can afford it, especially if you are nearing 60-65 since you are nearing a time when you are getting into a high risk area for strokes, etc. and may need increased health care assistance. It is near impossible to obtain it once you have had any type of event or occurrence that puts you in a care facility even if it’s for short term rehabilitation at a long term facility. Do it while you can pass the requirements to obtain it. Considering the monthly cost of a double occupancy room in a nice safe care facility can run as much as 4500-6500 these , it may well be worth it!
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Post by epeanymous on Feb 8, 2024 2:41:07 GMT
Having dealt with this recently, I really do advise getting LTC insurance. Care is *unbelievably expensive.*
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Post by epeanymous on Feb 8, 2024 2:42:02 GMT
Get LTC insurance as soon as you can afford it, especially if you are nearing 60-65 since you are nearing a time when you are getting into a high risk area for strokes, etc. and may need increased health care assistance. It is near impossible to obtain it once you have had any type of event or occurrence that puts you in a care facility even if it’s for short term rehabilitation at a long term facility. Do it while you can pass the requirements to obtain it. Considering the monthly cost of a double occupancy room in a nice safe care facility can run as much as 4500-6500 these , it may well be worth it! My MiL was diagnosed with Parkinson’s so couldn’t get insurance and they are paying an astronomical amount of money for care.
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caangel
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Post by caangel on Feb 8, 2024 4:35:22 GMT
I've read recently of people who had LTC and it not being useful when they needed it due to changes in how it is now offered. But I'd love to learn more. DH and I are 45 so we are at a good time to start looking.
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Post by katlady on Feb 8, 2024 5:01:29 GMT
I got mine when I was in my early 30's or so. It was offered by my Company. I still have it and my financial advisor said don't let it lapse because my premiums are really low. At one point, the company allowed family members to get on the company plan, and I checked to see how much it would cost for my parents. They were in their mid to late 60's and it was just too expensive for them. So my advice, for those young-uns out there, get it while you are young. You may not be thinking that far ahead, but the younger you are the cheaper it is.
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Post by Basket1lady on Feb 8, 2024 8:02:13 GMT
Get LTC insurance as soon as you can afford it, especially if you are nearing 60-65 since you are nearing a time when you are getting into a high risk area for strokes, etc. and may need increased health care assistance. It is near impossible to obtain it once you have had any type of event or occurrence that puts you in a care facility even if it’s for short term rehabilitation at a long term facility. Do it while you can pass the requirements to obtain it. Considering the monthly cost of a double occupancy room in a nice safe care facility can run as much as 4500-6500 these , it may well be worth it! We pay over $9,000 a month for my MIL in memory care. She needs help staying on task with dressing and self care, but doesn’t need any nursing other than her medications. Even assisted living was $3,400 a month for the apartment, meals, and medication dispensing. Care is very expensive. Her long term care insurance pays half of her monthly costs. We no longer pay the premium, as she’s using the insurance now. She’s 89 and paid into the insurance for several decades.
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SweetieBsMom
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Feb 8, 2024 11:45:21 GMT
I had such a bad experience with LTC insurance I don't know if I'll ever buy a policy. My Dad bought one and paid it for YEARS, something like 20-25 years. When he tried to use it, it was a frigging nightmare. NIGHTMARE. He spent 3 years trying to get them to pay and ended up dying before they paid a red cent.
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Post by peasapie on Feb 8, 2024 12:43:44 GMT
What Ive read when researching this topic is that the cost of LTC insurance at this point is not worth the investment. Better to save the money in a dedicated account and use it toward that cost if and when the time comes. Most people who need LTC aren’t in there long enough to justify the now-high cost of the insurance, which doesn’t even cover you for very long.
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Post by mikklynn on Feb 8, 2024 14:59:57 GMT
We sold my parent's house to pay for their care. My dad requires 24/7 care at a rate of $13,000 per month. My mom is currently in assisted living at a cost of $3500 per month.
I have one brother who still thinks we didn't need to sell their house! He all but called me a liar about the cost.
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milocat
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Post by milocat on Feb 8, 2024 18:16:33 GMT
Wow, those prices! My FIL is in LTC and it's $64.85/day Canadian, for a shared room and $74.95 for a private room (he recently moved to a private room). So about $2250/month, laundry is extra, I do his. The place he is at is nothing fancy, just 2 tv areas and a puzzle room, outdated furinture but not shabby, the facility is clean. The staff is really great, he gets along with them all so well.
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Post by ntsf on Feb 8, 2024 18:29:50 GMT
my dad paid in for 25 yrs.. died at 95, never used the insurance, was only in care for about 3 weeks.
my mother in law just died.. her care home (not too much in extra supports) was $7000 a month.
I think put the monthly money aside for a contingency fund.
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Post by katlady on Feb 8, 2024 19:06:46 GMT
Wow, those prices! My FIL is in LTC and it's $64.85/day Canadian, for a shared room and $74.95 for a private room (he recently moved to a private room). So about $2250/month, laundry is extra, I do his. The place he is at is nothing fancy, just 2 tv areas and a puzzle room, outdated furinture but not shabby, the facility is clean. The staff is really great, he gets along with them all so well. In my area, it is about $300/day on average for a private room.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Feb 8, 2024 20:43:00 GMT
I think I'll just do a wheelchair and a cliff. That would be my preferred option, but only if there were no witnesses so no one would have to waste time trying to rescue me. Honestly this is me - I've watched multiple family members dealing with Alzheimer's and late stage incurable cancer - I have zero interest in going through that or having my family go through it. I don't care if it's morbid, our desire to drag out the later stages of life and death is just wrong imo.
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Post by Gem Girl on Feb 8, 2024 20:57:51 GMT
I think I'll just do a wheelchair and a cliff. That would be my preferred option, but only if there were no witnesses so no one would have to waste time trying to rescue me. With my luck, trying this would result in my lying in a broken, bloody pulp, in agony, for a long time before dying of thirst.
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Post by papersilly on Feb 8, 2024 21:22:03 GMT
cash. cold, hard cash. too late to get insurance at this age so it will have to involve paying out of pocket. let's just say that some people may not wind up inheriting as much, if any, if that money is needed for care.
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Post by librarylady on Feb 8, 2024 21:26:29 GMT
I purchased an insurance plan for long term care when I was in my early 50s. It is $1,000 per year. I am 78 now and it seems I have dodged the dementia train. I will continue with the policy because my mother died with Alzheimer's. It could still get me.
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Post by Zee on Feb 8, 2024 22:48:26 GMT
I think I'll just do a wheelchair and a cliff. That would be my preferred option, but only if there were no witnesses so no one would have to waste time trying to rescue me. With my luck, trying this would result in my lying in a broken, bloody pulp, in agony, for a long time before dying of thirst. Yes, I did consider this. Maybe I'll take a massive dose of something just before tipping over the edge. *Sigh* I really don't fear dying, but I do fear living too long and being incapacitated. I know that's not everyone's choice and I'm not here to judge the quality of life for someone else, but the thought of ending up in LTC is so depressing to me. I hope I can remain sharp and active up until the end. A nice massive heart attack or PE just after returning home from a lovely vacation, perhaps. Instead I'll probably have a stroke and spend 10 bitter years unable to move , like my grandpa.
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Post by nightnurse on Feb 8, 2024 23:19:05 GMT
With my luck, trying this would result in my lying in a broken, bloody pulp, in agony, for a long time before dying of thirst. Yes, I did consider this. Maybe I'll take a massive dose of something just before tipping over the edge. *Sigh* I really don't fear dying, but I do fear living too long and being incapacitated. I know that's not everyone's choice and I'm not here to judge the quality of life for someone else, but the thought of ending up in LTC is so depressing to me. I hope I can remain sharp and active up until the end. A nice massive heart attack or PE just after returning home from a lovely vacation, perhaps. Instead I'll probably have a stroke and spend 10 bitter years unable to move , like my grandpa. My plan is a massive dose of all the insulin I can get my hands on, then over the cliff or off the pier. Sounds morbid but I won’t be a burden to my daughter and I have no desire to live on in pain after my ability to enjoy life is gone.
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Post by papersilly on Feb 8, 2024 23:21:45 GMT
I really don't fear dying, but I do fear living too long and being incapacitated.I know that's not everyone's choice and I'm not here to judge the quality of life for someone else, but the thought of ending up in LTC is so depressing to me. I hope I can remain sharp and active up until the end. A nice massive heart attack or PE just after returning home from a lovely vacation, perhaps. Instead I'll probably have a stroke and spend 10 bitter years unable to move , like my grandpa. ugh, you and me both. but the reality is that not everyone dies quickly or on their timeline. i think everyone (patient and family) fear the pain and sadness of a long lingering before death. not to mention the possible crushing financial effects. i want the laws to evolve to give a broader choice of who can end their lives sooner. the parameters are just too narrow right now although i am grateful to even have such some laws available in my state and the state i will eventually retire in. the eligibility just isn't broad enough. if the health community's mission is "do no harm" then that should include not prolonging life if the patient doesn't want it.
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milocat
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Post by milocat on Feb 9, 2024 0:02:47 GMT
Wow, those prices! My FIL is in LTC and it's $64.85/day Canadian, for a shared room and $74.95 for a private room (he recently moved to a private room). So about $2250/month, laundry is extra, I do his. The place he is at is nothing fancy, just 2 tv areas and a puzzle room, outdated furinture but not shabby, the facility is clean. The staff is really great, he gets along with them all so well. In my area, it is about $300/day on average for a private room. Wow, this is the set rate by Alberta Health Services. There are private facilities but I'm not sure what they offer or what you are getting for your money. FIL gets physio 5 days a week, they have a bus that they will go on outings in the summer, of course they have some activities, daycare and elementary kids come in once a week it seems like. I agree with others, I hope I go quickly when it's my time or I hope that MAID is avaliable for whatever I have.
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Post by lesserknownpea on Feb 14, 2024 9:23:37 GMT
My Dad and Stepmom paid for LTC insurance for a very long time. This fall they actually needed to use it when my Dad broke his hip, and spent time in a rehab center and then a residential care facility. We are talking two months here.
My Stepmom spent whole days on the phone with the insurance company, relentlessly and persistently insisting that they honor their contract. They fought her for months, while she and I were taking turns keeping Dad company in the facilities and encouraging him.
If she had not had all her documents at the ready, a mind as sharp as a tack, and the willingness to fight like mad and not give up, that company would not have paid anything. As it was, they acted like they were doing her a favor to cover half of the cost of the two months costs.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 14, 2024 14:24:49 GMT
In my area, it is about $300/day on average for a private room. Wow, this is the set rate by Alberta Health Services. There are private facilities but I'm not sure what they offer or what you are getting for your money. FIL gets physio 5 days a week, they have a bus that they will go on outings in the summer, of course they have some activities, daycare and elementary kids come in once a week it seems like. I agree with others, I hope I go quickly when it's my time or I hope that MAID is avaliable for whatever I have. Then you should consider yourself very lucky. My mom has been gone for 12 years now, and in her last year of life her care was costing about $8K per month in a private room. When she had declined to the point that it didn’t matter so much that she had her own room, we moved her to a shared room which was $6K a month. Each resident had their own bedroom and bath but shared a common sitting room space in between. Thankfully my mom had the means to pay for her care as long as she needed it. My MIL considered getting LTC insurance but with her history with cancer the cost/benefit ratio wouldn’t have worked in her favor. Plus she had decent health insurance and never needed to be in a nursing home. I think her last hospital stay lasted for one day before she passed away.
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