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Post by aj2hall on Mar 17, 2024 15:24:08 GMT
After thinking a little, I decided Trump's recent comments should be a separate thread. Sorry to those who don't like the political threads, but what he said is important and could get lost in the other political threads. Let's start with there will be a bloodbath if he loses. This is not a hoax, a misunderstanding, a joke, in reference to the car industry or any other excuse people have used in his defense. His words were intentional and deliberate. He wanted his supporters to hear there will be a bloodbath and that's exactly what they heard. This is exactly what he does. He says something carefully with a cover or plausible deniability like to the Proud Boys - Stand back and stand by. Or in Charlottesville - there are very fine people on both sides. In the context of other things he's said, his intention that there will be a bloodbath if he loses was crystal clear. He opened the rally with the J6 anthem, praised them as patriots and hostages. He also said if he doesn't win, there will never be another election. www.npr.org/2024/03/17/1239019225/trump-says-some-migrants-are-not-people-and-warns-of-bloodbath-if-he-loses But Trump used the stage to deliver a profanity-filled version of his usual rally speech that again painted an apocalyptic picture of the country if Biden wins a second term.
"If I don't get elected, it's going to be a bloodbath for the whole — that's going to be the least of it. It's going to be a bloodbath for the country," he warned, while talking about the impact of offshoring on the country's auto industry and his plans to increase tariffs on foreign-made cars.
Biden campaign spokesperson James Singer accused Trump of doubling "down on his threats of political violence."
"He wants another January 6, but the American people are going to give him another electoral defeat this November because they continue to reject his extremism, his affection for violence, and his thirst for revenge," Singer charged in a statement.
Trump campaign spokesman Steven Cheung said that Trump had clearly been talking about the impact of a second Biden term on the auto industry and broader economy.
"Crooked Joe Biden and his campaign are engaging in deceptively, out-of-context editing," he said.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydAAWzPNs0QRaphael Warnock on MSNBC. Regarding Trump's comments, he quotes Maya Angelou - "When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time." Well, Donald Trump has shown us who he is time and time again. And weight to take him seriously. This is the Insurrectionist President. This is the man who egged on the most violent insurrection on our capitol or attack on out capitol since the war of 1812. That violence has metastasized into an attack on the dignity and integrity of our democracy through suppression laws |
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 17, 2024 15:28:25 GMT
More reasons why he wasn't talking about the car industry. He was talking about the auto industry, but he didn't say it will be a bloodbath for the auto industry. He said it will be a bloodbath for the country. Some of these might have been posted in other threads, but I thought it made sense to have them in one place.
This falls under "WORDS Matter"
Regardless of what context trump used the word "Bloodbath" in, words matter
In these highly charged times , at the same Ohio campaign stump, common sense would have dictated not using the word "bloodbath" coupled with saluting the J6 insurrectionists and a promise to set them free on day one.
Trump is doing everything he can, purposely, to stir the pot and foment his base
To what end? We know the answer to that
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 17, 2024 15:28:39 GMT
Jen Psaki provides the full context of Trump's bloodbath remark, "We did not miss the full context, this was not some meandering off-message comment. This is his message. "
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 17, 2024 15:28:57 GMT
Trump's support for Putin
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 17, 2024 15:36:13 GMT
Trump's dehumanization of migrants is also deliberate, intentional and follows a pattern. He's called them vermin, said they are poisoning to blood of our country, described them as an invasion, sacking and plundering and now animals. He's said they speak languages no one else speaks, languages no one has ever heard of. www.npr.org/2024/03/17/1239019225/trump-says-some-migrants-are-not-people-and-warns-of-bloodbath-if-he-losesTrump also continued to criticize Biden over his handling of the border as he cast migrants as less than human. "In some cases, they're not people, in my opinion," he said.www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/03/16/trump-immigrants-not-people/VANDALIA, Ohio — Former president Donald Trump ratcheted up his dehumanizing rhetoric against immigrants Saturday by saying that some who are accused of crimes are “not people.”
“I don’t know if you call them people,” he said at a rally near Dayton, Ohio. “In some cases they’re not people, in my opinion. But I’m not allowed to say that because the radical left says that’s a terrible thing to say.”
Trump said the influx of migrants was “a Joe Biden invasion.” Biden blamed Trump for the death of a $20 billion bipartisan bill to increase detention capacity and hire thousands of Border Patrol officers.
Trump’s comments Saturday represent an escalation of his long-harsh language on the topic. Since beginning his 2016 campaign by calling Mexican immigrants “rapists,” Trump has made inflammatory attacks on migrants a theme of all of his campaigns. He accused immigrants in October of “poisoning the blood of our country” — a remark some likened to the “contamination of the blood” concept that Adolf Hitler laid out in “Mein Kampf.” Trump has rejected that comparison and has continued to use similar language.
He has also pledged to launch an unprecedented deportation effort if elected, pointing as inspiration to a 1954 program called “Operation Wetback” that used military-style tactics to remove Mexican immigrants from the country.
“Among my very first actions upon taking office will be to stop the invasion of our country,” Trump said Saturday.www.nytimes.com/2024/03/16/us/politics/trump-speech-ohio.htmlMr. Trump also stoked fears about the influx of migrants coming into the United States at the southern border. As he did during his successful campaign in 2016, Mr. Trump used incendiary and dehumanizing language to cast many migrants as threats to American citizens.
He asserted, without evidence, that other countries were emptying their prisons of “young people” and sending them across the border. “I don’t know if you call them ‘people,’ in some cases,” he said. “They’re not people, in my opinion.” He later referred to them as “animals.”
Border officials, including some who worked in the Trump administration, have said that most migrants who cross the border are members of vulnerable families fleeing violence and poverty, and available data does not support the idea that migrants are spurring increases in crime.
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 17, 2024 15:39:28 GMT
Trump's revisionist history of J6
I posted this in another thread, but wanted to include it here, too
This is so incredibly disrespectful on so many levels. For starters, he is not the president or a veteran, he doesn’t get to salute. Secondly, saluting the violent insurrectionists that attacked the Capitol police is disgraceful. Replacing the national anthem with this song by the J6 insurrectionists is despicable. They are not hostages or patriots. His embrace of them is an authoritarian tactic, signaling to his supporters that he condones political violence and will pardon them. Even Pence disagrees with Trump and Pence supported him 99% of the time.
Q: What do you think when you hear Trump refer to January 6 insurrectionists as ‘hostages’ and ‘patriots’?
Pence: I think it's very unfortunate that Trump would refer to people that are moving through our justice system as hostages. It's just unacceptable
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 17, 2024 15:44:46 GMT
playing the victim card
Sorry for all of the tweets, but Trump covered a lot yesterday and many of his statements show exactly what's wrong with him. This playing the victim card is a consistent refrain from him. He's the most persecuted president, no one treated worse than him etc. I think Lincoln and Kennedy would disagree with that. Reagan survived an assassination attempt. If he's complaining about his indictments, those are his own damn fault. No other president committed the crimes that Trump did.
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 17, 2024 16:01:57 GMT
Regarding vaccines, this is just crazy. Almost every school requires tdap, measles, mumps and rubella & hep B. His plan would be disastrous and a huge public health setback.
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 17, 2024 17:10:29 GMT
Fear mongering. Not all of the fears are real. He also bizarrely promised they would change the name of Pennsylvania. newrepublic.com/post/178937/trump-democrats-rename-pennylvania-ramblingwarned voters that Democrats plan to “change the name of Pennsylvania” if Joe Biden wins this election.
“We have to win in November, or we’re not going to have Pennsylvania. They’ll change the name. They’re going to change the name of Pennsylvania,” Trump said. |
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 17, 2024 17:18:03 GMT
Praise of dictators
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 17, 2024 17:34:15 GMT
Trump's claims about the economy, not based on reality, illustrating his lack of understanding of economics www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/03/14/trump-crazy-new-claims-fact-checked/Trump has a bunch of new false claims. Here’s a guide. Analysis by Glenn Kessler On top of that, Trump frequently recycles false claims of achievement from when he was president that we have repeatedly fact-checked, including:
He created the greatest U.S. economy in U.S. history (not by any metric).
He passed the biggest tax cut in history (it ranks 8th).
He was the first president to impose tariffs on China (China has faced U.S. tariffs since George Washington first enacted them in 1789).
He increased government revenue even though he cut taxes (False).
The inflation rate under Biden is 50 percent
“But the fact is, under Biden, we have a three-year inflation rate of almost 50 percent. Under me, you had no inflation. You had no inflation.” (Rome, Ga.)
“We have cumulative inflation of over 50 percent. That means people are, you know, they have to make more than 50 percent more over a fairly short period of time to stay up.” (interview on CNBC, March 11)
The monthly inflation headlines are often about the year-over-year inflation rate, as measured by changes in the consumer price index. It reached a high of 9 percent during Biden’s presidency, largely because of supply chain issues after the pandemic. Annualized inflation has dropped since then. The year-over-year figure in February was 3.2 percent.
Cumulative inflation measures the total increase in the price of goods and services over a specific period of time. But of course Trump nearly triples the real number. Since Biden took office, cumulative inflation is 18.5 percent. Moreover, Trump is wrong when he says there was “no inflation” when he was president. Cumulative inflation during Trump’s presidency was nearly 8 percent.
Wages have also gone up under Biden, helping to mitigate the impact, though many workers have not seen their paychecks keep up with inflation. Average hourly earnings are up 15.5 percent during Biden’s presidency and the Employment Cost Index is up 14 percent. Since early 2023, wage growth began to outpace inflation, with the gap expected to fully close sometime this year.www.nytimes.com/2024/03/06/us/politics/trump-super-tuesday-fact-check.htmlTrump’s Super Tuesday Speech: Assessing 10 False and Misleading Claims After racking up a series of wins that cleared the field, former President Donald J. Trump moved to a general election message. Here’s a fact check. “We had no inflation.”
This is exaggerated. While the rate of inflation was indeed low under Mr. Trump, it wasn’t completely nonexistent, as Bureau of Labor Statistics data shows.
Under Mr. Trump, the rate of inflation measured by the overall Consumer Price Index largely gravitated around 2 percent — with the rate slightly lower and higher some months. That dropped at the onset of the coronavirus pandemic and inflation reached a low of 0.1 percent in May 2020, before trending upward.
Inflation reached a peak of 9.1 percent in June 2022; it has since dropped and stood at 3.1 percent in January. Among the drivers of inflation were a rise in consumer spending as the country recovered from the pandemic — with the help of government stimulus payments — and supply shortages.
WHAT WAS SAID
“We took in much more revenues after we cut taxes.”
False. The 2017 corporate and individual tax cuts signed into law by Mr. Trump have not increased government revenue relative to what it would have been without them, contrary to suggestions the cuts paid for themselves when there was a slight bump in revenue in 2018. In fact, they have had the opposite effect.
A recent, rigorous study of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act shows the policy is adding more than $100 billion a year to the national debt. The study shows that while the tax cuts have bolstered investment in the economy, they have provided only a modest — albeit, less than predicted — pay bump for workers, as The Times has reported.
“There is no evidence that the tax cuts have paid for themselves or even close,” said Marc Goldwein, senior vice president and senior policy director for the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget.
WHAT WAS SAID
“We got the largest tax cuts in history.”
False. Mr. Trump has used this refrain since his first year in the White House — and in his final speech as president. The fact is, the 2017 tax cuts ranked below several others, including the 1981 Reagan tax cut, which was the largest as a percentage of the economy.
Trump claims the stock market is at an all time high because of his poll numbers and the market will crash if his numbers go down. Unlikely the market will be affected by poll numbers, unless they show a landslide. This is just Trump trying to take credit for a good economy under the Biden administration. In Trump world, If we're talking about inflation, it's all President Biden's fault. If we're talking about a strong economy, Trump is responsible. thehill.com/homenews/4444199-trump-stock-market-thriving-because-they-think-im-going-to-be-elected/Former President Trump said the stock market is doing well because investors are confident he’ll be elected again in 2024.
Trump has previously said his reelection bid is boosting confidence on Wall Street as The Dow Jones Industrial Average and the S&P 500 index hit record numbers in recent days.www.reuters.com/world/us/wall-street-maps-out-2024-election-impact-trump-vs-biden-looks-likely-2024-01-24/Any calculation of how stocks, bonds and currencies could react to the results of the November vote comes with caveats - especially since it’s early in the year and betting markets are split on which candidate will prevail. Most investors alsobelieve drivers such as Federal Reserve policy, the economic cycle and corporate earnings will ultimately matter more for markets over the long term.
Earlier this week, he said investor sentiment was soaring because his polls against Biden were “so good.”
Strategists warned, however, that markets may be slow to price in any possible outcomes this far from election day.
“The last few elections have really come down to the wire,” said Samana, of Wells Fargo. “I don’t see the market making big bets on either one unless it starts to look like it will be a runaway.” |
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 17, 2024 17:51:51 GMT
More on the economy. Trump's proposed tarriff's are actually inflationary. www.reuters.com/markets/us/trump-tariff-plans-spur-talk-inflation-20-mike-dolan-2024-03-01/Trump tariff plans spur talk of inflation 2.0 But if you still believe "it's the economy, stupid", then the biggest puzzle of the past year has been how a booming U.S. economy, full employment and a roaring stock market have not benefitted the incumbent more in the eyes of the electorate.
The simplest answer many offer is the positives were sapped by high inflation and interest rates that hurt the pockets of many Americans.
All of which might suggest U.S. voters would be minded to back a candidate promising to keep consumer prices in check.
And yet economists parsing Trump's plans to resume his 2018-2020 trade wars via universal import tariffs, with possibly 60% levies on goods from China, reckon there'd be little relief on that score from his return to the White House.
Tariff rises of that breadth and scale risk another generalised price squeeze, they say, and may in turn prevent borrowing costs from retreating as much as many now hope.
While early soundings from the hustings can shift, Trump floated the idea of a 10% universal import tariff, opens new tab in an interview last August and doubled down last month by claiming he would impost tariffs of 60% or higher on Chinese goods.
That could act like another supply shock, Rabobank said this week, and it could complicate the Federal Reserve's mission to get the "genie back in the bottle."
"While there are many uncertainties about the impact of a second Trump presidency on economic policy, a rise in import tariffs is highly likely," wrote Rabobank's U.S. strategist Philip Marey. "This will affect the trajectory of inflation and consequently the Fed's rate path." |
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 17, 2024 18:17:28 GMT
Trump would be disastrous for democracy around the world, stability and peace. Our allies do not trust him and do not want him to be elected. Trump will allow Putin to walk all over Europe, he will weaken NATO and withdraw. H is claims that he alone can fix things or things would not have happened if he were president are not based on reality.
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 17, 2024 18:23:58 GMT
Sorry, I know this thread is already really long, but I wanted to recognize Trump's disrespect for people with disabilities. Mocking a reporter wit a disability, making fun of President Biden's speech disorder and support and praise for this candidate.
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Post by Merge on Mar 17, 2024 21:05:34 GMT
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Post by hop2 on Mar 17, 2024 22:49:38 GMT
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Post by Scrapper100 on Mar 17, 2024 23:00:29 GMT
It would be nice that if every time he lied he got an electric shock. He just lies so much and so often. I know politicians stretch the truth sometimes but he has taken lying to a whole new level.
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Post by withapea on Mar 17, 2024 23:18:06 GMT
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Post by Scrapper100 on Mar 17, 2024 23:25:01 GMT
It always amazes me when some fawning woman says oh I just love him. He has done so much for us and really cares about us. No he only cares about getting money and power. He will say anything to get them. He has flip flopped on several issues to play to his base. He has now had a touch of power and he wants more especially after seeing what other dictators have. He needs people to fall all over him. |
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Post by morecowbell on Mar 18, 2024 5:32:38 GMT
Let's start with there will be a bloodbath if he loses. This is not a hoax... He says something like Charlottesville - there are very fine people on both sides. hoax is real because it agrees with another one of our hoaxes.😆 |
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Post by compeateropeator on Mar 18, 2024 10:35:33 GMT
Trump, on Truth Social on Sunday, posted a piece from former Trump administration aide Kash Patel published in The Federalist last week, in which Patel claimed Cheney and the House Jan. 6 committee “suppressed evidence” about the former president’s authorization of National Guard troops during the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol insurrection.
SHE SHOULD BE PROSECUTED FOR WHAT SHE HAS DONE TO OUR COUNTRY! SHE ILLEGALLY DESTROYED THE EVIDENCE. UNREAL!!!” Trump wrote on Truth Social while linking to Patel’s piece.
Cheney clapped back Sunday at Trump’s calls for her to be jailed on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter, writing, “Hi Donald: you know these are lies. You have had all the grand jury & J6 transcripts for many months. You’re trying to halt your 1/6 trial because your VP, WH counsel, WH aides, campaign & DOJ officials etc. will testify against you. You’re afraid of the truth and you should be.”
morecowbell , while this is not hoax related or in his speech but is part of the Trump news from this weekend so thought it was valid to bring up. (Like that ever stopped me. 😋). Just curious on your take of the interaction between Cheney and Trump? You have indicated in the past that you are not necessarily a Trump supporter but more for truth in reporting about what Trump says and does so I would be interested in your take on this. What do you think about what Trump has said vs. Cheney’s comments and findings?
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Post by lainey on Mar 18, 2024 11:12:00 GMT
Let's start with there will be a bloodbath if he loses. This is not a hoax... He says something like Charlottesville - there are very fine people on both sides. hoax is real because it agrees with another one of our hoaxes.😆 Do you really think your laughing emoji is appropriate here? What is it about the threat of a bloodbath that you find amusing? Sorry amusing |
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Post by gar on Mar 18, 2024 11:26:53 GMT
THIS hoax is real because it agrees with another one of our hoaxes.😆 Do you really think your laughing emoji is appropriate here? What is it about the threat of a bloodbath that you find amusing? Sorry amusingYou need a bigger font Lainey 🙄 |
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Post by morecowbell on Mar 18, 2024 19:06:41 GMT
THIS hoax is real because it agrees with another one of our hoaxes.😆 Do you really think your laughing emoji is appropriate here? What is it about the threat of a bloodbath that you find amusing? Watching such an obvious hoax being created in real time? 😆 Democrats know they can't win with Biden in any other way, so their desperation is embarrassingly obvious. |
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Post by Merge on Mar 18, 2024 19:20:10 GMT
Do you really think your laughing emoji is appropriate here? What is it about the threat of a bloodbath that you find amusing? Watching such an obvious hoax being created in real time? 😆 Democrats know they can't win with Biden in any other way, so their desperation is embarrassingly obvious. Nah, you’ve made it clear that you see nothing wrong with the fascist Project 2025 plans. Don’t try to pretend you’re anything but a fascist supporter and are likely looking forward to the “bloodbath” Trump promises. |
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Post by morecowbell on Mar 18, 2024 19:43:14 GMT
Watching such an obvious hoax being created in real time? 😆 Democrats know they can't win with Biden in any other way, so their desperation is embarrassingly obvious. Nah, you’ve made it clear that you see nothing wrong with the fascist Project 2025 plans. Don’t try to pretend you’re anything but a fascist supporter and are likely looking forward to the “bloodbath” Trump promises. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and tried to have a real conversation with you. Even after the following... You've made it clear that you just can not handle differing opinion. You've made it clear that you will desperately use your parents' death to TRY to win an argument and desperately try to tie ME to their death. Desperately, being the operative word. Don't try to pretend you're anything but an unhinged lunatic. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 18, 2024 19:49:19 GMT
Let me see..
The conservatives are calling out TFG for his bloodbath comments!
His former close associates are calling tfg out for his bloodbath comments!
As well others... The articles and pieces are all over with comments ...
And you worship the great leader.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 18, 2024 19:54:03 GMT
Are the immigrant wives of TFG, as well this their children polluting our nations blood? Donald Trump's weekend threat of a "bloodbath" if he is not re-elected in November received the bulk of attention from the press and critics, but on Monday morning the panel on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" also made note of his attacks on immigrants and their children. *** Addressing Trump's Hitler-like bashing of immigrants, MSNBC host Rev. Al Sharpton told the panel, "You may disagree with the policy, but to make people less than human is exactly the kinds of things that Blacks went through in America; being called three-fifths of a man. We're now dealing with different policies based on those that are on the right that want to do it for different strokes for different folks." "I'd remind Donald Trump, his own in-laws were immigrants that had to be brought into citizenship," he continued. " So what makes their blood different than somebody's blood from South America that may be seeking a better life and we need to have a policy that would not have them come in a way that would be contrary to our view." "But clearly, we can't act like their blood is poisonous," he added. "Reverend, if I'm not mistaken, one, two, three, four of his five children are children of immigrants," host Scarborough said and he counted off on his fingers. "Four of his five children are children of immigrants. I don't get it. So did they poison the blood of America when they came here? Are his children poisoning the blood?" "How would he feel if politicians were saying his children and his wives poisoned the blood of America?" the MSNBC host proposed. "By his definition, he participated in that, by his own definition. I mean, this is absolutely offensive beyond politics," Sharpton agreed. www.rawstory.com/trump-hitler-immigrants/ |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 18, 2024 19:57:43 GMT
Merge. Please do not engage with the disgusting cowbell, she is nothing more then a vicious deplorable person!
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Post by Merge on Mar 18, 2024 20:00:13 GMT
Nah, you’ve made it clear that you see nothing wrong with the fascist Project 2025 plans. Don’t try to pretend you’re anything but a fascist supporter and are likely looking forward to the “bloodbath” Trump promises. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and tried to have a real conversation with you. Even after the following... You've made it clear that you just can not handle differing opinion. You've made it clear that you will desperately use your parents' death to TRY to win an argument and desperately try to tie ME to their death. Desperately, being the operative word. Don't try to pretend you're anything but an unhinged lunatic. I’m going to say this exactly one time. I in no way tried to tie you to my parents’ death, you absolute loon. I made the point through comparison - apparently completely lost on someone with no reading or critical thinking skills, like you - that it was silly to blame all of a group for the actions of one person. You apparently can understand that for yourself, but not for the immigrant groups we were discussing at the time. What I cannot handle is a lunatic fascist sympathizer who comes on here and tries to pretend she’s just having a conversation. You are a liar. You are dangerous to the safety of innocent people because of the views you defend. The fact that you cannot accept responsibility for the way your vote affects others is not my problem. The fact that you feel that defending fascists is just a point of disagreement is also not my problem. I feel no obligation to be nice to fascists, which is what you are. Now go ahead and froth with all caps and big fonts and all the bullshit you do that shows that you can’t handle disagreement. |
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