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Post by epeanymous on Apr 5, 2024 19:48:37 GMT
The chair throwback thread reminded me how much I enjoy a WDTPT? thread, so I'm starting one here.
The current drama on my local Next Door is this: someone posted a thread on there castigating a tulip farm about 1.25 hours from here and trying to get media/news attention. The tulip farm is a working farm that, for several weeks this time of year, opens to tourists and is a big tourist attraction -- it has a large parking lot, an admissions booth, a food vendor, a more cultivated series of gardens, and big open fields with rows of tulips. There are several of these farms, including another one that is similarly touristy and also charges admission, and others that are more "drive by and look at the farm" in nature.
Here is the nature of the poster's complaint: this particular tulip farm charges a flat fee for all people who want to attend. This is true regardless of the age of the person, although babies are free -- if you are two and up, whether you are a child, an adult, or a senior citizen, it's $13/person during the week and $17/person on the weekend. The poster brought her 91-year-old mother to the farm, and the mother uses a walker. The poster did not believe that her mother would be able to walk much of the farm, so she believed that the farm should not charge her mother for admission.
WDTPT? I can give you more information about the nature/layout of the farm and the information they post online if that's helpful.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Apr 5, 2024 19:54:40 GMT
The poster did not believe that her mother would be able to walk much of the farm, so she believed that the farm should not charge her mother for admission. Sounds like someone who wants something for nothing. I know people like that. It was on her to call ahead and ask if her mom would be charged. Although with them not having a separate rate for senior citizens I'm not sure why she would expect it. Don't like it, don't go there.
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Post by 950nancy on Apr 5, 2024 19:55:34 GMT
I think businesses should offer a discount rate for seniors, but they don't HAVE to. It is up to the business to decide how they want to charge. It is up to the person who is bringing their mother to place to scope it out prior. To me it is very cut and dry. I will be anxious to see how others view this though.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 5, 2024 19:55:51 GMT
Every person pays admission, period, the end.
Don’t want to pay, don’t go.
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Post by epeanymous on Apr 5, 2024 19:57:25 GMT
The poster did not believe that her mother would be able to walk much of the farm, so she believed that the farm should not charge her mother for admission. Sounds like someone who wants something for nothing. I know people like that. It was on her to call ahead and ask if her mom would be charged. Although with them not having a separate rate for senior citizens I'm not sure why she would expect it. Don't like it, don't go there. FWIW the website for the farm does address the disability issue and lays out that (1) walkers and wheelchairs are fine and/but that (2) it's a farm, so if it's wet or muddy, your walker or wheelchair might not be practical. I don't know what the weather was like that day; the original post had been talking about "ADA violations" but it quickly became clear that the poster didn't want more accessibility, but free entry (I guess I just tipped my hand about my thoughts here).
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Post by librarylady on Apr 5, 2024 19:57:30 GMT
I vote that the 91 year old should pay the adult admission. The reason the 2 year olds do not pay is they are not capable of comprehending/appreciating the tulips. The rules are not "anyone using wheels does not pay," or "anyone who walks a short distance does not pay."
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Apr 5, 2024 19:57:37 GMT
I think businesses should offer a discount rate for seniors, but they don't HAVE to. I'm curious why you think this? My belief is that the decision is entirely on the business and they are in no way obligated to offer discounts. And I say that as someone who qualifies as a senior citizen.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Apr 5, 2024 19:59:02 GMT
Entitlement. Their rules are clearly stated. You are from the PNW and May have heard of Butchart Gardens. They charge everyone in the car an entry fee. There is no drop off and pick up to my knowledge. You pay for everyone in the car and you go park. You can take public transit there, too.
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Post by littlemama on Apr 5, 2024 20:06:24 GMT
Im sure the person knew going in that admission was per person regardless of age. She is a jackass.
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Post by nightnurse on Apr 5, 2024 20:08:15 GMT
I can imagine being disappointed to pay full price in that situation but I cannot imagine ever feeling entitled to publicly complain about it! (For the record, I do not think the farm was at all wrong, the price is the price. I can understand how someone who felt they would enjoy the experience but not be able to fully enjoy it might hope for a discount. But then I’d expect them to politely ask and accept the farm’s right to decline.)
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Post by compeateropeator on Apr 5, 2024 20:11:04 GMT
iMO - it is stated. If you go in the gate where they collect the money, you pay. If you don’t want to, find another place to enjoy.
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Post by epeanymous on Apr 5, 2024 20:12:36 GMT
I can imagine being disappointed to pay full price in that situation but I cannot imagine ever feeling entitled to publicly complain about it! (For the record, I do not think the farm was at all wrong, the price is the price. I can understand how someone who felt they would enjoy the experience but not be able to fully enjoy it might hope for a discount. But then I’d expect them to politely ask and accept the farm’s right to decline.) It's just so weird to me because when I tell you my kids *definitely* have not all fully enjoyed the experience of having me take them to the tulips .
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Post by myshelly on Apr 5, 2024 20:18:34 GMT
I also think it’s silly and unfair to complain about stuff like this from the perspective of -
The person in the admission booth doesn’t have the authority to randomly decide on discounts for people. Throwing fits like this does no good.
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Post by 950nancy on Apr 5, 2024 20:19:23 GMT
I think businesses should offer a discount rate for seniors, but they don't HAVE to. I'm curious why you think this? My belief is that the decision is entirely on the business and they are in no way obligated to offer discounts. And I say that as someone who qualifies as a senior citizen. Mostly because so many other businesses do. I think so many senior citizens are on very limited income and aren't always able to afford these kinds of things. It isn't mandatory, of course, but I think more of a good business practice.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Apr 5, 2024 20:22:14 GMT
I can imagine being disappointed to pay full price in that situation but I cannot imagine ever feeling entitled to publicly complain about it! (For the record, I do not think the farm was at all wrong, the price is the price. I can understand how someone who felt they would enjoy the experience but not be able to fully enjoy it might hope for a discount. But then I’d expect them to politely ask and accept the farm’s right to decline.) It's just so weird to me because when I tell you my kids *definitely* have not all fully enjoyed the experience of having me take them to the tulips . You have 5-6 kids, still craft (no?) and you want to take them to take photos? Play the mom card and offer ice cream bribes. I have pumpkin patch photos from that very reason.
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Post by Linda on Apr 5, 2024 20:50:59 GMT
She's entitled and trying to get something for nothing. I've been on and off crutches for 30-ish years - currently off - and if I go somewhere with an admission charge, I expect to pay that admission charge even if I'm not able to enjoy the full experience - and yes, if I went to the tulip farm on crutches and the paths were muddy, I probably wouldn't be able to walk the entire route but I would still have seen the tulips and walked what I could. If that didn't seem like it would be worth the admission, then I would stay home or choose a different destination.
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Post by epeanymous on Apr 5, 2024 20:56:05 GMT
It's just so weird to me because when I tell you my kids *definitely* have not all fully enjoyed the experience of having me take them to the tulips . You have 5-6 kids, still craft (no?) and you want to take them to take photos? Play the mom card and offer ice cream bribes. I have pumpkin patch photos from that very reason. The youngest is now eight so we're basically in the clear for tulip tantrums, but when they were smaller, I definitely was not above promising them chicken nuggets and sundaes at the nearby brewpub in exchange for just one picture where they were all actually looking at the camera. Although I also have my very favorite picture (from a pumpkin patch) where literally every child is facing a different direction and in various degrees of meltdown, except for kid #5 who is cheering. We do what we can.
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Post by KiwiJo on Apr 5, 2024 21:11:39 GMT
Well, I suppose the poster on Next Door is allowed to think that people who can’t see much of the place shouldn’t have to pay, but she should also expect to be judged (and rightly so, IMO). That’s ridiculous.
And while I do take advantage of discounts for old people (I am one, after all), I don’t think businesses should be expected to provide them. I suppose they do it hoping to attract more (elderly) customers, so that’s fine, their choice; but it’s equally fine if a business doesn’t.
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Post by workingclassdog on Apr 5, 2024 21:20:39 GMT
I'm at the age of starting to get senior discounts, while it is nice (I'm 55 so most don't start till 60-15) it's not a mandatory thing. I don't ever expect it and if a business doesn't want to offer it, it's on them. I can't see why a business can't give a senior a couple of bucks off, but it is what it is. It would be nothing for me to jump on Next Door and complain about it.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Apr 5, 2024 21:44:06 GMT
You have 5-6 kids, still craft (no?) and you want to take them to take photos? Play the mom card and offer ice cream bribes. I have pumpkin patch photos from that very reason. The youngest is now eight so we're basically in the clear for tulip tantrums, but when they were smaller, I definitely was not above promising them chicken nuggets and sundaes at the nearby brewpub in exchange for just one picture where they were all actually looking at the camera. Although I also have my very favorite picture (from a pumpkin patch) where literally every child is facing a different direction and in various degrees of meltdown, except for kid #5 who is cheering. We do what we can. Like Joey on friends said. You gotta do what you gotta do over and over. As they get older they like money. My son had the best shoes. I do have wonderful daffodil photos I forgot about but they are amazing, too.
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Post by pilcas on Apr 5, 2024 22:03:50 GMT
It's just so weird to me because when I tell you my kids *definitely* have not all fully enjoyed the experience of having me take them to the tulips . You have 5-6 kids, still craft (no?) and you want to take them to take photos? Play the mom card and offer ice cream bribes. I have pumpkin patch photos from that very reason. I used to do that! There is a very pretty lake near me and with the fall colors it is a stunning photo op. I used those photos for Christmas cards and the bribe was pizza. As they got a little older I had to throw in 5 bucks!
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Post by Delta Dawn on Apr 5, 2024 22:24:34 GMT
You have 5-6 kids, still craft (no?) and you want to take them to take photos? Play the mom card and offer ice cream bribes. I have pumpkin patch photos from that very reason. I used to do that! There is a very pretty lake near me and with the fall colors it is a stunning photo op. I used those photos for Christmas cards and the bribe was pizza. As they got a little older I had to throw in 5 bucks! Compared to what I paid for supplies from A Cherry On Top negotiating with DS was easier. It could also be 2 donaire (gyros), Bionicles and shoes. Still cheaper than ACOT. The daffodil photos were beautiful.
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Post by AussieMeg on Apr 5, 2024 22:35:36 GMT
I'm curious why you think this? My belief is that the decision is entirely on the business and they are in no way obligated to offer discounts. And I say that as someone who qualifies as a senior citizen. Mostly because so many other businesses do. I think so many senior citizens are on very limited income and aren't always able to afford these kinds of things. It isn't mandatory, of course, but I think more of a good business practice. I also think that businesses should offer a pensioner discount, because they're on a limited income, but totally understand that they're under no obligation to do so. If you don't like the ticket price, then don't go. It's ridiculous to blast a business on social media because you don't agree with their prices. There is an annual tulip festival near me, but I have never gone because the tickets are about $35 each. I mean, I like tulips, but not that much! epeanymous, what kind of replies did the person get on their thread?
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Post by epeanymous on Apr 5, 2024 22:51:40 GMT
Mostly because so many other businesses do. I think so many senior citizens are on very limited income and aren't always able to afford these kinds of things. It isn't mandatory, of course, but I think more of a good business practice. I also think that businesses should offer a pensioner discount, because they're on a limited income, but totally understand that they're under no obligation to do so. If you don't like the ticket price, then don't go. It's ridiculous to blast a business on social media because you don't agree with their prices. There is an annual tulip festival near me, but I have never gone because the tickets are about $35 each. I mean, I like tulips, but not that much! epeanymous, what kind of replies did the person get on their thread? Almost universally on the spectrum between “I am so sorry you are disappointed, that must be hard, but the business did nothing wrong” to “you entitled idiot, the business did nothing wrong,” but she and the minority of people who took her side were pretty adamant that either the farm needed to make sure she could see everything on it or they shouldn’t be charging her at all, and that local news shoud be picking up the story. Honestly this is so much better than the usual drama on there .
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Post by chaosisapony on Apr 5, 2024 22:53:25 GMT
If her mother wouldn't be able to walk much of the farm and wouldn't get any enjoyment out of it then why bother taking her? She could have just gone by one of the drive by farms. Sounds like she's just someone that won't be happy unless she can get a discount from a hardworking small business. Ridiculous.
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Post by Zee on Apr 5, 2024 23:13:56 GMT
Meemaw should stay home if she doesn't want to pay full price. When she goes out to eat, does she demand to only pay half of a coke because she'll only be able to drink half? Half price for a phone because she doesn't know how to work all the features and won't use them?
Should I pay half price for Netflix because of all the content I don't watch? Half price for my meals because I can only eat half of it and don't want to take the rest with? By virtue of simply, "I'm old"?
Half price for a shadow pallet because I don't like all the shades? Half price at an amusement park because it rained part of the day? Where does this woman's type of thinking end?
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Post by epeanymous on Apr 5, 2024 23:24:52 GMT
Meemaw should stay home if she doesn't want to pay full price. When she goes out to eat, does she demand to only pay half of a coke because she'll only be able to drink half? Half price for a phone because she doesn't know how to work all the features and won't use them? Should I pay half price for Netflix because of all the content I don't watch? Half price for my meals because I can only eat half of it and don't want to take the rest with? By virtue of simply, "I'm old"? Half price for a shadow pallet because I don't like all the shades? Half price at an amusement park because it rained part of the day? Where does this woman's type of thinking end? The thing no one has said, but that I would say were I not on there under my real name, is — what, you won’t pay a whole $17 for your mom to have whatever version of this she can have? This is the hill you die on?
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Post by TXMary on Apr 6, 2024 0:49:02 GMT
Meemaw should stay home if she doesn't want to pay full price. When she goes out to eat, does she demand to only pay half of a coke because she'll only be able to drink half? Half price for a phone because she doesn't know how to work all the features and won't use them? Should I pay half price for Netflix because of all the content I don't watch? Half price for my meals because I can only eat half of it and don't want to take the rest with? By virtue of simply, "I'm old"? Half price for a shadow pallet because I don't like all the shades? Half price at an amusement park because it rained part of the day? Where does this woman's type of thinking end? The thing no one has said, but that I would say were I not on there under my real name, is — what, you won’t pay a whole $17 for your mom to have whatever version of this she can have? This is the hill you die on? My mom is 90 and loves flowers. She would enjoy going to a tulip farm so much but she wouldn't be able to do much walking around, especially if the ground was unlevel and I would assume it was being a farm. But I would still gladly pay the $17 and take her to see whatever she could because she would love it. To me, $17 is pretty cheap to bring a little joy to my very elderly mom who honestly doesn't have much joy anymore. A senior discount is always nice but not expected and the tulip farm made it very clear that everyone pays the same. We would still go and enjoy it as best we could.
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Post by Zee on Apr 6, 2024 1:24:16 GMT
The thing no one has said, but that I would say were I not on there under my real name, is — what, you won’t pay a whole $17 for your mom to have whatever version of this she can have? This is the hill you die on? My mom is 90 and loves flowers. She would enjoy going to a tulip farm so much but she wouldn't be able to do much walking around, especially if the ground was unlevel and I would assume it was being a farm. But I would still gladly pay the $17 and take her to see whatever she could because she would love it. To me, $17 is pretty cheap to bring a little joy to my very elderly mom who honestly doesn't have much joy anymore. A senior discount is always nice but not expected and the tulip farm made it very clear that everyone pays the same. We would still go and enjoy it as best we could. Yes, we have taken my MIL places that she can't walk the full distance of and rented her a scooter or wheelchair. That might not be an option at this tulip farm but I'd fully expect to pay whatever rate is normally charged for an adult or senior, regardless of her ambulatory status. It would never occur to me to need some extra discount because we won't get to all of it.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Apr 6, 2024 1:48:18 GMT
I also think that businesses should offer a pensioner discount, because they're on a limited income, but totally understand that they're under no obligation to do so. If you don't like the ticket price, then don't go. It's ridiculous to blast a business on social media because you don't agree with their prices. There is an annual tulip festival near me, but I have never gone because the tickets are about $35 each. I mean, I like tulips, but not that much! epeanymous, what kind of replies did the person get on their thread? Almost universally on the spectrum between “I am so sorry you are disappointed, that must be hard, but the business did nothing wrong” to “you entitled idiot, the business did nothing wrong,” but she and the minority of people who took her side were pretty adamant that either the farm needed to make sure she could see everything on it or they shouldn’t be charging her at all, and that local news shoud be picking up the story. Honestly this is so much better than the usual drama on there . I’m really surprised. I have seen similar type things posted on ND or FB and it usually doesn’t go the way the poster was hoping. Most will call them out when they are acting entitled. The idea that the news should be called 🤦♀️.
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