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Post by marimoose on Dec 26, 2014 19:47:22 GMT
I don't really understand why there is so much hate for Angelina Jolie. I was thrilled to see that the Movie Unbroken did so well yesterday despite al the critics hating on it. I read that no one considers her a director but what exactly makes a director. Many actors are crossed over that line, with far less criticism. I hear people cal her a home wrecker but to be fair, we weren't there and no one can wreck a home unless the other person is willing and things aren't right between the original couple. It takes two to tangle. I understand all the indiscretions she made as a youthful person but i certainly would hate to be judged for the ridiculous things I did at the same age. Eventually we all grow up or at least most of us do. I think that she has grown into a strong woman who really wants to do good for others and has. Am I alone in these thoughts?
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Post by Bitchy Rich on Dec 26, 2014 19:55:29 GMT
I don't really understand why there is so much hate for Angelina Jolie. I was thrilled to see that the Movie Unbroken did so well yesterday despite al the critics hating on it. I read that no one considers her a director but what exactly makes a director. Many actors are crossed over that line, with far less criticism. I hear people cal her a home wrecker but to be fair, we weren't there and no one can wreck a home unless the other person is willing and things aren't right between the original couple. It takes two to tangle. I understand all the indiscretions she made as a youthful person but i certainly would hate to be judged for the ridiculous things I did at the same age. Eventually we all grow up or at least most of us do. I think that she has grown into a strong woman who really wants to do good for others and has. Am I alone in these thoughts? That is extremely funny. |
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Post by papersilly on Dec 26, 2014 19:58:30 GMT
No you are not alone. I like her and think she is a talented director. She does good humanitarian work, she loves her children, and she was candid about her health. For those who call her a home wrecker, get over it already. People act like Brad divorced the Virgin Mary. Like i said, I like her.
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Post by Kerri W on Dec 26, 2014 19:59:55 GMT
I agree with you. I don't understand the hate.
I remember an interview with JA while she was still married to BP saying she didn't believe in being married forever, that it was against human nature, and each person should move on when they were ready.
The fact is we don't know all the details. Brad and Angelina seem to be doing a tremendous job raising their family and doing good in the world. Kudos to them.
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Post by marimoose on Dec 26, 2014 20:07:38 GMT
I don't really understand why there is so much hate for Angelina Jolie. I was thrilled to see that the Movie Unbroken did so well yesterday despite al the critics hating on it. I read that no one considers her a director but what exactly makes a director. Many actors are crossed over that line, with far less criticism. I hear people cal her a home wrecker but to be fair, we weren't there and no one can wreck a home unless the other person is willing and things aren't right between the original couple. It takes two to tangle. I understand all the indiscretions she made as a youthful person but i certainly would hate to be judged for the ridiculous things I did at the same age. Eventually we all grow up or at least most of us do. I think that she has grown into a strong woman who really wants to do good for others and has. Am I alone in these thoughts? That is extremely funny. I am glad you laughed. I know it should be tango but I like to call it what it is  |
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Post by auntkelly on Dec 26, 2014 20:08:11 GMT
I don't think much about her one way or the other. I really liked the movie Unbroken, though. I still think Hollywood is very much a man's world when it comes to the really powerful positions like directors, producers and studio heads. I'd like to see more females in these roles, so I hope that Unbroken does well at the box office.
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Post by oh yvonne on Dec 26, 2014 20:09:43 GMT
I don't know, I think they get waaaay more notice and attention than I'm interested in giving them.
From her tattoos to her unconventional wedding dress to her trans gendered kid. I don't know why I just find them tiresome in every way, I get sick of hearing about them all the time.
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Post by SabrinaM on Dec 26, 2014 20:11:30 GMT
I don't spend that much time thinking about her. She seems like a great Mom, though.
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Post by SabrinaM on Dec 26, 2014 20:12:02 GMT
I don't know, I think they get waaaay more notice and attention than I'm interested in giving them. From her tattoos to her unconventional wedding dress to her trans gendered kid. I don't know why I just find them tiresome in every way, I get sick of hearing about them all the time. Yes!! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2014 20:14:25 GMT
I haven't really given any thought to her lately, until the thread about Shiloh/John came up. She's just never been on my radar. I didn't even know that Unbroken was directed by her. That's about how much I think about her. I haven't seen the movie yet, but it looks interesting. I hope it does well also.
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Post by beanbuddymom on Dec 26, 2014 20:15:45 GMT
I don't really understand why there is so much hate for Angelina Jolie. I was thrilled to see that the Movie Unbroken did so well yesterday despite al the critics hating on it. I read that no one considers her a director but what exactly makes a director. Many actors are crossed over that line, with far less criticism. I hear people cal her a home wrecker but to be fair, we weren't there and no one can wreck a home unless the other person is willing and things aren't right between the original couple. It takes two to tangle. I understand all the indiscretions she made as a youthful person but i certainly would hate to be judged for the ridiculous things I did at the same age. Eventually we all grow up or at least most of us do. I think that she has grown into a strong woman who really wants to do good for others and has. Am I alone in these thoughts? That is extremely funny. I found that funny also but I am the queen of saying expressions wrong so I can totally hear myself saying that as well. It's supposed to be two to TANGO. Anyway, regarding your question - honestly up until the Malificent movie this past summer, I was a complete anti-Angelina Jolie person - as in hated her with a passion, refused to see any of her movies or see her on TV in any way, shape or form. I was really taken with wanting to see the Malificent movie though and braced myself and ended up going to see it and liked it, and realized I was being silly in my self imposed hatred, anti-Angelina stance I was taking. The reason I was so much hating her (still not enamored but at least I am not full on hating) but for many it was because everyone (fans I mean) were very much a fan of Brad and Jennifer Aniston. Friends was a huge hit, everyone loved Jen, everyone loved Brad, and the couple was a super couple. Enter Ms. Angelina who apparently had broken up other couples before and makes it well known that she and Brad became an item/fell in love while filming Mr. and Mrs. Smith and you have someone that shows no shame in publicly cheating. For me I was just disgusted with all of the publicity the two of them had, given they got together cheating and that was just infuriating to me, to just be very "in your face" and I felt bad for Jennifer Aniston, to be honest, as I would any woman in that situation. I know nothing of her director talents but that's why I was hating on her. And it has nothing to do with something she did as a young person, she was very much adult and has publicly stated since then how they fell in love during filming that movie and to be honest that is shameful that she has really no shame or embarrassment or any thoughts of being maybe a little more low key and/or discreet about it in the context of now, looking back, as an older adult with a more life experience and more modesty. |
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Post by kelly8875 on Dec 26, 2014 20:17:48 GMT
I get tired of the media telling me that I am supposed to idolize her, Brad, and her family. I don't give a care in the world to them... So I don't need to see them plastered all over. I don't think either one of them are the best at acting, there are so many more worthy of the attention.
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Post by tiffanytwisted on Dec 26, 2014 20:19:28 GMT
I don't know, I think they get waaaay more notice and attention than I'm interested in giving them. From her tattoos to her unconventional wedding dress to her trans gendered kid. I don't know why I just find them tiresome in every way, I get sick of hearing about them all the time. This. And lets not forget her weird relationship w/her brother & the Billy Bob Thornton era. I just don't find her all that fabulous and don't get all the hoopla. And yes, it takes two to tangle  which is why I don't care for him, anymore either. And I feel that way about anyone who cheats and/or leaves their spouse for the other person. Not just her. Bruce Springsteen, Julia Roberts & Ryan Phillippe lost respect from me. OK, so I didn't have that much respect for Phillippe before. But the other two . . . |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2014 20:22:57 GMT
I found that funny also but I am the queen of saying expressions wrong so I can totally hear myself saying that as well. It's supposed to be two to TANGO. Anyway, regarding your question - honestly up until the Malificent movie this past summer, I was a complete anti-Angelina Jolie person - as in hated her with a passion, refused to see any of her movies or see her on TV in any way, shape or form. I was really taken with wanting to see the Malificent movie though and braced myself and ended up going to see it and liked it, and realized I was being silly in my self imposed hatred, anti-Angelina stance I was taking. The reason I was so much hating her (still not enamored but at least I am not full on hating) but for many it was because everyone (fans I mean) were very much a fan of Brad and Jennifer Aniston. Friends was a huge hit, everyone loved Jen, everyone loved Brad, and the couple was a super couple. Enter Ms. Angelina who apparently had broken up other couples before and makes it well known that she and Brad became an item/fell in love while filming Mr. and Mrs. Smith and you have someone that shows no shame in publicly cheating. For me I was just disgusted with all of the publicity the two of them had, given they got together cheating and that was just infuriating to me, to just be very "in your face" and I felt bad for Jennifer Aniston, to be honest, as I would any woman in that situation. I know nothing of her director talents but that's why I was hating on her. And it has nothing to do with something she did as a young person, she was very much adult and has publicly stated since then how they fell in love during filming that movie and to be honest that is shameful that she has really no shame or embarrassment or any thoughts of being maybe a little more low key and/or discreet about it in the context of now, looking back, as an older adult with a more life experience and more modesty. That's about how I felt back then. I really hated her at that time because I really loved Jennifer Aniston and felt so bad for her. To be fair, I also started hating Brad Pitt at that time as well. But I've mellowed out over the years. Jennifer is doing fine without Brad, and I stopped hating them a few years ago. I just no longer think anything of them. Basically I just consider them to be Hollywood trash. And I don't really think about trash that much. That part really hasn't changed. |
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Post by padresfan619 on Dec 26, 2014 20:24:43 GMT
I don't have a feeling about her one way or the other as an actress or director, but I do have tremendous respect for her humanitarian efforts.
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Post by bc2ca on Dec 26, 2014 20:26:56 GMT
I think she was a great villainess for the celebrity press when she "lured" Brad away from America's Sweetheart, Jennifer Aniston. Time has shown their relationship was about much more than a physical attraction/on set fling.
I don't hate Angelina, but I also don't think she is that great of an actress and I am not drawn to a movie because she is in it.
I admire her humanitarian work tremendously. She doesn't just talk the talk, she actively gets involved.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2014 20:37:10 GMT
The only performance of hers that I've ever liked was Maleficent. In fact, I generally avoided movies in which she starred because I don't think she's all that great of an actress.
I wouldn't have really thought too much about her cheating with Brad Pitt, because after all, that's Hollywood. BUT she said she'd never go after a married man because of how her cheating father hurt her mother. Then she turned around and did it herself. That's what left a really bad taste in my mouth with her and Brad. At this point, I hope they stay together forever because it would be a shame to put their children through a public break up.
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Post by epeanymous on Dec 26, 2014 21:03:08 GMT
Ha ha. I remember watching her in the earlier days when she was in movies like Gia and Hackers and Foxfire, and I just loved her. I even liked her in Playing by Heart-- she made Ryan Philippe almost watchable. I have had to forgive her for terrible choices like Pushing Tin and Gone in Sixty Seconds.
I think a lot of people really identified with Jennifer Aniston, and, while I think that the entertainment media is probably the thing most responsible for dragging that scandal out, I also think Jennifer Aniston has played along in order to keep her name out there. Either way, I don't care about it that much.
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on Dec 26, 2014 21:23:23 GMT
Wasn't fond of her before her home wreaker status not fond of her now. I never understood the big deal about Brad either...I don't find him attractive whatsoever (but everyone has thief own taste). It does take 2 to tango so I thought they were both idiots.
I do think that no one really knows what goes on in someone else's marriage but the ones actually in the marriage. So who knows maybe Brad and Jen were separated (unoffically) when brad got with Angelina..who knows.
I do think their charity work is great and I can appreciate that along with them giving homes to their kids they adopted.
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Post by brina on Dec 26, 2014 21:25:56 GMT
One of the rumors when Brad and Jen broke up was that it was because he wanted kids and she kept putting it off for career reasons. Right around the same time a friend was making a similar choice. She and her husband had discussed kids before they got married and agreed that they wanted a couple but that they wanted to wait a few years. The time kept getting pushed back by her then dh. Eventually she told him to make a choice - start trying to get pg or file for divorce. Based on how I know she felt I kind of gave Brad the benefit of the doubt - which of course assumes that the rumor was true.
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Post by tduby1 on Dec 26, 2014 21:29:27 GMT
I agree with you. I don't understand the hate. I remember an interview with JA while she was still married to BP saying she didn't believe in being married forever, that it was against human nature, and each person should move on when they were ready. The fact is we don't know all the details. Brad and Angelina seem to be doing a tremendous job raising their family and doing good in the world. Kudos to them. Jennifer said that? I remember Brad saying something to that effect but not Jennifer. |
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Post by Tamhugh on Dec 26, 2014 21:31:16 GMT
For me, it was several things....
Her first marriage to the guy from Elementary? She wore a t-shirt with his name written in her own blood.
She shared a really creepy, gross kiss with her brother at the Academy Awards
She wore her ex-husband's blood in a locket (the fact that it was a locket and not a vial is supposed to make it less creepy, I think)
Part of me always cynically wondered how much of her weird crap was for attention and publicity, but it just turned me off to her from day one. Nothing to do with Jennifer Aniston.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Dec 26, 2014 21:34:08 GMT
Don't hate her but I also don't think the sun rises and sets on her, her family and all they do.
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Post by not2peased on Dec 26, 2014 21:39:17 GMT
I don't hate her, but I am not a big fan. I think her acting skills are overrated and being a great mom? I really wonder about that. seems like she intentionally wants people to believe she is 100% hands on. truth is-they have multiple nannies and lots of hired help. Not faulting her for that at all given her life- but...I think she goes out of her way to create publicity about her mothering skills.
I think she pimps those kids out for photo opps and her creepy former self was a real turnoff in her younger years.
she seems like someone that goes out of their way to craft a very specific image. I will likely see her movie as it looks pretty good
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Post by birukitty on Dec 26, 2014 21:50:05 GMT
I don't really understand why there is so much hate for Angelina Jolie. I was thrilled to see that the Movie Unbroken did so well yesterday despite al the critics hating on it. I read that no one considers her a director but what exactly makes a director. Many actors are crossed over that line, with far less criticism. I hear people cal her a home wrecker but to be fair, we weren't there and no one can wreck a home unless the other person is willing and things aren't right between the original couple. It takes two to tangle. I understand all the indiscretions she made as a youthful person but i certainly would hate to be judged for the ridiculous things I did at the same age. Eventually we all grow up or at least most of us do. I think that she has grown into a strong woman who really wants to do good for others and has. Am I alone in these thoughts? |
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Post by M~ on Dec 26, 2014 22:00:00 GMT
I think she has grown from a weird kid to a wonderful and graceful woman. First of all, who in Hollywood isn't weird? Especially if you are in the limelight constantly? Yes, she did a bunch of weird things, but I bet you most if not all of us have done things that make us cringe in retrospect. Secondly, the Jennifer Aniston thing--unless I was there in person--I don't take the Hollywood gossip mill as gospel. Jennifer Aniston isn't the Virgin Mary, as someone else mentioned. People need to get over that. You don't know whether she's a total bitch behind closed doors. Third, as far as not being 100% hands-on mother, well-some of you on this board aren't either! You go to work and you have other interests/things you do outside your kids, or are you 100% of the time focused on your kid? Finally, about "the transgendered kid," maybe she's taking the media by the balls and directing it in a way that suits her and her family and not the other way around. She's dominating the conversation and protecting her kid.
Personally, I think she's a wonderful parent and an awesome human being. Personally, I think she's one of the most gorgeous women I've ever seen.
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Post by jackie on Dec 26, 2014 22:06:15 GMT
Yeah, I never got the hate. She is weird, there is no doubt about that. But her humanitarianism though is far more important to me than if she wears a vial of blood or kisses her brother on his mouth (And really, that WAS the only thing creepy about that kiss, right? They weren't using tongue or anything, it's just that they kissed on the mouth. We don't do that in our family either; only lovers kiss on the mouth. But my best friend would kiss her dad goodnight whenever we went out and it was always on the mouth. That was so strange to me as I would NEVER, never, never do that to my dad. Doesn't make it creepy though; it's just their way).
As far as the whole Brad/Jennifer/Angelina triangle, I just can't get involved or care too much about that. I don't know what really went down there. I don't know what Jen's like. I just don't know the situation. And for some reason, I find Jen as less likable than Angelina. I don't know either of these women, but I don't get a likable vibe from Jen. I guess having a sitcom on TV for years that is very beloved endears you in people's hearts. Because really, has she done anything outside of her job that you admire? To me, that whole thing is a personal issue between the three of them and not really my business.
It is sad that something like that (being a so-called homewrecker) would cause people to not watch her show. Can you imagine all of the men directors that have been unfaithful? I be no one even cares when they're going to see one of their movies.
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Post by birukitty on Dec 26, 2014 22:12:25 GMT
My computer is really acting up today, but what I wanted to say is I totally agree with you OP. I really like, and have always liked Angelina Jolie. I never felt she "stole" Brad Pitt from Jennifer Aniston, even though in my previous marriage my ex cheated on me for 3 years (among other things) so I normally am very sensitive to that sort of thing. Like, I almost didn't watch the recent series, "The Affair" but decided to give it a chance. Totally ridiculous, it's been 22 years, I'm well over it and been happily remarried for almost 20 years. Anyway, to me Brad was deeply unhappy in his marriage at the end to Jennifer Aniston and what I read yesterday just proves that. A little article about "Stars you never thought suffered from depression" he has a bout after breaking up with Jennifer or towards the end and said they were just "faking" it and that they knew it wasn't ever going to work out. That Angelina was like a breath of fresh air, she lived life like no one he'd ever met and still does. Of course who knows if that is true.
I admire them separately and especially together. I admire Angelina tremendously for the humanitarian work she has done. Any wealthy star can write a check, but she gets down in the trenches (you know what I mean) and really gets in there. And does it over and over again. Her heart is really in this work-she has true compassion. You don't see this in a lot of Hollywood stars. let's face it.
I admire them for the way that they are raising their children, including the recent Shiloh/John news and a thousand other incidents that have been reported over the years. Look at their wedding. They could have easily made it a huge, multimillion "look at us and how rich we are" affair, but that's not who they are. That's how so many Hollywood stars are. And I'm not talking about George Cloony, he has class. I'm talking about the Kardassian's. Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie made their wedding extremely low key given who they are and focused it very much on their children. From the dress to having one of the kids baking the cake (I'm sure he asked to, because obviously they have chef who could have easily done it) to that amazing dress with all of the children's doodles, to their vows which the children wrote. I'm sorry, but I think their devotion to their children is extremely genuine. I don't think for one second it's paraded about for the cameras.
I caught Brad Pitt once on that interview show "The Actor's Studio". I love that show. At the end as always, James Lipton asks the same questions. When he got to," What's your favorite word?" Brad answered without missing a beat, "Daddy". Ohhhh. How sweet.
I fully intend to go see "Unbroken". Read the book and loved it. I really hope it does well at the box office. I've been following the story about how Angelina read the book, loved the story, and went on to meet Louie, the book's main character-he was living in her neighborhood! They had two meetings, and there are videos on youtube probably about the meetings. Very heartfelt and filled with warmth and understanding. She was determined to get his story to screen-Hollywood has been trying since 1957, and she wouldn't take no for an answer. No matter how you feel about her, you have Angie to thank for finally getting this movie made.
Debbie in MD. (sorry for the long post)
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Post by peasapie on Dec 26, 2014 22:12:54 GMT
I think she was a great villainess for the celebrity press when she "lured" Brad away from America's Sweetheart, Jennifer Aniston. Time has shown their relationship was about much more than a physical attraction/on set fling. I don't hate Angelina, but I also don't think she is that great of an actress and I am not drawn to a movie because she is in it. I admire her humanitarian work tremendously. She doesn't just talk the talk, she actively gets involved. I agree; she was vilified in the press and became a target for every women who has ever been jilted. I think Angelina is a beautiful woman who lives her life as she wants, and sometimes that's controversial. Green is an awfully unattractive color, isn't it? |
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Post by annabella on Dec 26, 2014 22:31:39 GMT
I don't hate her, but I am not a big fan. I think her acting skills are overrated and being a great mom? I really wonder about that. seems like she intentionally wants people to believe she is 100% hands on. truth is-they have multiple nannies and lots of hired help. Not faulting her for that at all given her life- but...I think she goes out of her way to create publicity about her mothering skills. I think she pimps those kids out for photo opps and her creepy former self was a real turnoff in her younger years. she seems like someone that goes out of their way to craft a very specific image. I will likely see her movie as it looks pretty good This has come up on the board before and I think the peas don't understand what hands on is for a celeb. Angie is traveling around the world for humanitarian work, then shooting movies for long stretches of time (12 hour days 7 days a week on set), it's completely unrealistic for people to expect her not to have multiple nannies for 6 kids, but it doesn't mean she's not hands on. She admits she doesn't cook, but why should she, she can spend that hour sitting with her kids. I can't comment on her directing skills since I'm not in the industry and never worked with her. I think only those people can comment on the quality of her work. I don't like her because yes she stole Jen's man, and said they fell in love during the movie, but yes I also admit that he willingly walked away. She was recently interviewed about her new movie by Dan Rather I think it was who innocently (or maybe not) asked about how she fell in love with Brad and she laughed at "this old story again". I didn't think a senior respectable journalist was looking for gossip so it seemed like an innocent question but at the same time he's a smart man so I didn't know how to take him questioning about that. I don't know what Jen is like behind the scenes, but on camera she has projected a friendly, warm, sweet attitude for years, that you can't fake. Angie did retract or rather backpedal on the comment about how they fell in love, but I think that has been overshadowed as we all remember that one quote. Have the two women met? I vaguely remember Angelina offering to call Jen but Jen declining. It's all over the news now that they will meet this year backstage at the Oscars. I think she got into this whole humanitarian business to find herself plus at the time it seemed she didn't have any friends, well still today I think that could be true which says a lot about somebody. She's just not a warm and friendly person, hence she's unlikable. That can't be overshadowed by her charity work. Maybe she's trying to be the next Princess Diana. She's created her new image but just not speaking, like Beyonce does. I like celebrities that give you a sense of their personality, are loose, comfortable and laugh in interviews. Angie always looks uncomfortable and tight, but her groomers make that come off as polite. I don't judge Angie on her weird youth, she had a dysfunctional family upbringing, is she even speaking to her father now? Putting my personal feelings aside about her, I've never understood those that find her beautiful??? Her lips are too big, she's pale and frail with a very angular face and her nose is weird. Also not a fan of her tattoos. I did like her Malificent movie, which I only rented because it was a popular halloween costume. I knew immediately it was her child in the movie by the way the child looked at her. I don't feel any way about her acting, being in the business this long she has to be good I guess. I remember that rumor too but Jen came out and said that she did want kids, but why wait 7 years? She only produced horrible movies during that time. Jen married Brad when she was 31 so it's not like she was some spring chicken, but Brad was 10 years older than her. Brad came out and said that at that point in their marriage he was wasting his life, smoking pot all the time and just had no meaning. Angie brought him meaning with her humanitarian work. |
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which is why I don't care for him, anymore either. And I feel that way about anyone who cheats and/or leaves their spouse for the other person. Not just her. Bruce Springsteen, Julia Roberts & Ryan Phillippe lost respect from me. OK, so I didn't have that much respect for Phillippe before. But the other two . . .
