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Post by annabella on Jan 16, 2015 2:17:27 GMT
linkThis story was on the front page of Yahoo, the parents let their kids walk half a block alone to the playground and 6 police cars showed up to investigate. I walked alone to school, my earliest memory was elementary school and then through middle school. My middle school was 5-8 grades and a lot of kids didn't live that close and took the public bus to school since we didn't have school buses. There's a middle school near my office (kind of weird to see downtown) and I remember once walking by them at the end of their day and thought wow I never see kids walking alone.
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Post by Grom Pea on Jan 16, 2015 2:32:45 GMT
Wow, I went to kindergarten when I was 4 years old and I walked alone, I can't imagine that a 6 and 10 year old are not considered able to do a short walk to the playground together and I'm not a free rangeparent
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Post by conchita on Jan 16, 2015 2:54:21 GMT
Sorry, I got sidetracked by the story of the dancing cartoon genitals! As for this incident? I've never really given it any thought. I'm raising two autistic sons so my parenting style has always been different from the norm. They're now 15 and 13 and are finally comfortable and capable of being left unattended while I run a quick errand. Personally, I think 10 is too young to be responsible for their 6 year old sibling. If the kids are within eyesight and earshot of an adult or guardian I'd have no issue. But I'm assuming if the kids were stopped half a block away that the park is not within eyesight of their parent. There are ways of allowing your child to be independent without being completely hands off. So yeah, I think the parents need to rethink their approach.
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Post by TankTop on Jan 16, 2015 2:56:14 GMT
Over half the students in my school are walkers. We don't have bus service for them. Some walk more than a mile and a half. What would they do in our town?
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Post by freebird on Jan 16, 2015 3:06:48 GMT
The story I read said they were walking a mile home from the park.
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Post by conchita on Jan 16, 2015 3:27:02 GMT
The story I read said they were walking a mile home from the park. Yeah, I'm a bit unclear about how far and what the area is like. There are some neighborhoods and parks where I'm at you don't walk through no matter your age. But here's a small excerpt from what I read in the link: But officials disagree. In late December, Montgomery County Police picked up the kids, Rafi and Dvora, walking just half a block from home after being alerted by an observer. Six cop cars soon showed up at the family’s house, and the incident spurred Montgomery County Child Protective Services to investigate Danielle and her husband Alexander for child neglect. This week, CPS officials visited the parents at home and also interviewed the children at school — without their parents’ knowledge or consent.
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Post by freebird on Jan 16, 2015 3:31:38 GMT
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Post by conchita on Jan 16, 2015 3:33:21 GMT
Over half the students in my school are walkers. We don't have bus service for them. Some walk more than a mile and a half. What would they do in our town? I don't know. But I'm assuming that the school takes attendance and would notify a parent if a child was absent? I know there are laws about what age you can leave a child unattended at home. There are certainly a lot of peas who are vocal about leaving children (and pets) unattended in a vehicle. So I'm thinking it has more to do with a minor being left unattended than it is about walking a mile or so.
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Post by chlerbie on Jan 16, 2015 3:35:52 GMT
I think that's just ridiculous and way over the top.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 3:47:29 GMT
I think that's just ridiculous and way over the top. CPS is taking this too far. It's clear the children were not being neglected.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jan 16, 2015 3:51:49 GMT
I remember walking to and from kindergarten alone, over a half mile. I think my mom walked with me the first couple weeks of school, then when she figured I knew the way home I was on my own. There was an older kid who might have been a crossing guard that made sure I got across the busy street and possibly a few blocks toward home but that was all the help I got. The next year I was switched to a different school where my older brother went but that was still 8-9 blocks away.
It's a whole different world these days.
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Post by johnnysmom on Jan 16, 2015 3:51:58 GMT
Ya know that first article had me thinking CPS/police were being way over the top, but after reading the article freebird posted I'm not so sure. 1 mile from home, in the winter, at age 6 & 10. I don't know. Plus the weird thing about them carrying a card that says "I'm not lost, I'm a free range kid". I find that weird. If they're old enough to be out alone they should be old enough to explain t adults that their parents know where they are.
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Post by Nanner on Jan 16, 2015 3:52:00 GMT
It's going way overboard. All I can say is thank goodness my kids are grown and I don't have to worry about shit like this. No wonder so many kids nowadays can't do anything for themselves. They aren't allowed to.
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Post by myshelly on Jan 16, 2015 4:05:29 GMT
I know at our neighborhood school, kindergarteners (who are usually 6) and 1st graders are not allowed to walk to and from school alone.
At the end of the day they will only be released to an adult. They cannot leave if they are alone.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jan 16, 2015 4:10:10 GMT
All it takes is for something like Jacob Wetterling's abduction to happen (close to home, in the small town where my mom grew up, still unsolved after more than 25 years) to really freak a parent out. And he was 11 years old and was with two other kids! Yes, it's rare but it happens.
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Post by freecharlie on Jan 16, 2015 4:15:40 GMT
WTF, so not a great idea maybe, but 6 freaking cop cars?
Shit like this frustrates me. CPS gets legitimate concerns from school personnel and we are told it doesn't warrant investigation, but they'll follow up on this crap?
I admit I don't know the area these kids live in, but luckily I live in an area where the kids take off in the morning and some parent will see them when they are hungry. Typically I can call someone's cell, but sometimes they don't answer and I don't worry
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jan 16, 2015 4:16:26 GMT
I remember walking to and from kindergarten alone, over a half mile. I think my mom walked with me the first couple weeks of school, then when she figured I knew the way home I was on my own. There was an older kid who might have been a crossing guard that made sure I got across the busy street and possibly a few blocks toward home but that was all the help I got. The next year I was switched to a different school where my older brother went but that was still 8-9 blocks away. It's a whole different world these days. I walked over a mile to kindergarten... with a friend but we were both just 5 when we started. When it was one of our turns to bring cookies we always thought the dogs in the neighborhood were following us because they smelled our cookies, and we would feed the dogs the cookies. Then we would get to school with half the cookies we needed. After a couple of times... we had to walk with our Moms when we brought cookies to school. The amazing things is we had to cross a busy side street and the school was located on a really busy street! I don't think the world is more dangerous we are just more aware of the dangers.
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Post by freecharlie on Jan 16, 2015 4:16:37 GMT
All it takes is for something like Jacob Wetterling's abduction to happen (close to home, in the small town where my mom grew up, still unsolved after more than 25 years) to really freak a parent out. And he was 11 years old and was with two other kids! Yes, it's rare but it happens. it would absolutely freak me out, but if we lives our lives rules by fear, is it really living?
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Post by hennybutton on Jan 16, 2015 4:17:25 GMT
I have two kids; one is 31 years old and one is 19. When my oldest was in first grade, she'd walk to and from school. It was less than 10 minutes, she didn't leave our tract, and there were a lot of other kids walking. When she was 8, I was in college and she'd come home about 15 minutes before I got there. None of that was possible by the time my son reached school age. Sometime in the 12 years between the two, everything changed. I would say that my daughter and her friends were better adjusted and more mature at 19 than my son and his friends are.
It's not just things like walking or riding bikes to school, parks, and friends' houses. Other things that have changed are elementary school homework (DD didn't have it, DS was inundated.), online grade posting (With DD, we only had printed progress reports.), and no-touch rules. That last one shocked me. DS went to private school, but the local public school instituted a no-touch rule that meant that kids couldn't play tag or touch football or tag for outs in softball. My sister-in-law, an elementary teacher, said that she couldn't give kids high-fives or pats on the shoulder. What really shocked me was that other parents were not only okay with the rule, but thought it was normal and a good idea!
While I think that I might have had more freedom that was wise as a child in the Sixties, I think we've swung too far in the other direction.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jan 16, 2015 4:18:12 GMT
I know at our neighborhood school, kindergarteners (who are usually 6) and 1st graders are not allowed to walk to and from school alone. At the end of the day they will only be released to an adult. They cannot leave if they are alone. The school where my DD goes to Pre-K and will go next year for kindergarten will not let Pre-K or kindergarten kids off the bus if a parent or other designated adult isn't there to get them, even if the bus stops right outside their house. I'm not sure how they handle the kids that walk. We're across the highway from the school so our kid will always take the bus.
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Post by myshelly on Jan 16, 2015 4:23:21 GMT
I know at our neighborhood school, kindergarteners (who are usually 6) and 1st graders are not allowed to walk to and from school alone. At the end of the day they will only be released to an adult. They cannot leave if they are alone. The school where my DD goes to Pre-K and will go next year for kindergarten will not let Pre-K or kindergarten kids off the bus if a parent or other designated adult isn't there to get them, even if the bus stops right outside their house. I'm not sure how they handle the kids that walk. We're across the highway from the school so our kid will always take the bus. Our school does not offer bus service. An adult must come to the school to pick up a child 1st grade or younger.
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Post by Skypea on Jan 16, 2015 4:29:26 GMT
It's going way overboard. All I can say is thank goodness my kids are grown and I don't have to worry about shit like this. No wonder so many kids nowadays can't do anything for themselves. They aren't allowed to. yep. I agree. What a nanny state this country has become. As a little kid - even under 9, I was all over the neighborhood including many, many blocks away and no one knew. I walked to school, often home for lunch (let myself in) back again after lunch and then home again after school.
As kids we got ourselves up and to school. Mom had long since left for work - she had to take the bus and transfer around to get to work.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jan 16, 2015 4:35:28 GMT
All it takes is for something like Jacob Wetterling's abduction to happen (close to home, in the small town where my mom grew up, still unsolved after more than 25 years) to really freak a parent out. And he was 11 years old and was with two other kids! Yes, it's rare but it happens. it would absolutely freak me out, but if we lives our lives rules by fear, is it really living? I hear you and try to find a reasonable balance. But being aware that things like that DO happen, kids are being trafficked for sex, and how easily kids can be groomed and manipulated by these slick creepers, I would rather err on the side of caution. ETA: We ran the neighborhood too. I don't think when I was growing up in the 70's though that any of that stuff was ever on my parent's radar since no one ever talked about it and it never made the news.
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Post by perumbula on Jan 16, 2015 4:52:56 GMT
Different children have different levels of maturity. A couple of my kids I would have let make that walk. A couple of them I wouldn't. It's all in the kids. One of my friends home schools and they are done with their work by noon almost every day. These are intelligent children who are ahead of their peers in almost every subject, so they have their afternoons free. They are active and wanted fun things to do. The oldest is 13 the youngest 7. My friend started out letting them walk by themselves to the library four blocks from their home. Now they range all over town. They always have a cell phone on them and know how to call. They always have backpack with snacks and water for "long" trips. They never go out alone. they always have a destination and a time to be home. They are good mature kids who can handle the responsibility because they have been trained slowly to know how to handle it. If those two children are like my friend's kids, then a mile isn't a big deal and they were fine. I think one of the problems we are having in our society with rules is that we are judging everyone by the same measuring stick and sometimes that stick seems cut awfully short without any wiggle room.
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Post by jonda1974 on Jan 16, 2015 5:06:32 GMT
That's crazy, when me and my brother were those ages, we used to ride our bikes all over at least a 10 block radius or more.
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Post by epeanymous on Jan 16, 2015 5:10:13 GMT
Honestly, I feel like I often restrict my children, not for their own good, but because I am worried that something like this will happen. I am fairly free-rangey but am not going to detail my exact parameters and philosophies on teh interwebz because, again, I am just that paranoid. Suffice it to say that I think that encouraging everyone to keep their kids indoors with parents or in the car at all times is probably not good for anyone, and that I think my kids build a lot of confidence by being given some latitude to navigate the world on their own.
And honestly, they are statistically much more likely to be in danger from the adults they know than the adults they do not.
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Post by oaksong on Jan 16, 2015 5:14:37 GMT
I walked to kindergarten by myself, and I can remember being pulled out of snow drifts by the 6th graders. My kids were never allowed to walk anywhere by themselves. Times change, or maybe I just have more sense than my mother did
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Post by conchita on Jan 16, 2015 5:41:56 GMT
Since we're reminiscing about our childhoods I'll tell you what almost happened to me. We lived on a border town. I was about 12 and was allowed to skate, bike and roam our neighborhood. I was walking back with a friend to my home when a large white van starting creeping alongside us. There were several men in the van, windows rolled down, looking at us. We quickly crossed the road but they pulled out ahead of us, opened the sliding van door and took several rapid photos of us.
I was a responsible, level headed kid. But at that moment, at that age I didn't fully realize the danger I was in. My friend and I ran until we had stitches in our side. We didn't walk alone after that.
More recently, in my last neighborhood overseas, there were several attempted abductions. The pervert finally realized he didn't have to abduct a child. He had free and easy access to all the unattended children on the playground. A little girl and a young boy both molested in a playground not far from their homes. About two blocks from where I lived.
Now I'm back Stateside and there's been a few attempts made in this area. A couple of times the same description of a man trying to take a child walking to and another walking from school. They haven't caught him. And I wonder when he'll realize he doesn't need to abduct a child.
So, maybe I live in a different world where bad things are pretty commonplace? I don't know. And I'm not knocking these parents for their parenting style. But I'm a homeschooler and I make sure I abide by the law. I never know when an "observer" will take it upon themselves to call in regarding my children and my parental choices. I'm not even sure the police requiring them to sign a statement that they'll abide the law is out of bounds. Six cop cars? Interviewing the children at school without parental consent? Yeah, those things bother me. But there has to be some middle ground between hands off and hovering over our children.
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Post by peppermintpatty on Jan 16, 2015 13:05:28 GMT
They are fairly close to my town. This is all over the news here. CPS needs to get their noses out of that family's business and start investigating all the crap that I see around me. So letting your kids walk around in the neighborhood is more dangerous than that stupid woman who left her 3 and 4 year old alone in the house while she got her hair done and then the house burned down and the kids died? That mother should have been under investigation, not this family.
The news outlet mentioned the number of registered sex offenders in the area and the father researched it and found that the vast majority of them were for misdemeanors such as having porn.
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Post by jackie on Jan 16, 2015 13:07:41 GMT
But that's kind of a fallacy. People think it's far more dangerous out there from when they were growing up, but it really isn't. Depending on when you grew up, it could be actually less dangerous. It's the barrage of 24/7 news that give us this illusion.
As many said, I have memories of walking to school every day in Kindergarten with just my other kindergarten age friend. My mom had my older sister who was 11 at the time walk with us the first week. After that we begged to be able to walk alone and she allowed us. Ever since then, I've walked with my same-age friends to and from school every day of my elementary and jr high school life.
Whether everyone agrees with these parents or not (and I for one think what they did was fine--whether the park was two blocks away or one mile), I think the fact that they are being called neglectful is ridiculous.
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