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Post by Sassenach on Feb 6, 2015 14:13:34 GMT
Are you concerned with the way she feels when she has to look at all the Jesus, Christian, Bible crap that shows up in her Facebook feed? I don't take it personally, and I can't block all that stuff. I JUST IGNORE IT. Anyone who is not a Christian has had to tolerate listening to and reading crap we don't believe in.
Maybe it's time you learned to do the same.
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Post by miominmio on Feb 6, 2015 14:23:49 GMT
So I think that in a world where some religious folds are yelling to have their judgemental "truths" heard and everyone follow their religion because it's the only way, it's refreshing to hear that there is a different voice to be heard, confirming that we atheists aren't the heathens and hooligans incapable of morals or ethics that many religious people claim us to be. Hey, we heathens have a moral compass, too!!  |
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Post by grinningcat on Feb 6, 2015 14:25:46 GMT
So I think that in a world where some religious folds are yelling to have their judgemental "truths" heard and everyone follow their religion because it's the only way, it's refreshing to hear that there is a different voice to be heard, confirming that we atheists aren't the heathens and hooligans incapable of morals or ethics that many religious people claim us to be. Hey, we heathens have a moral compass, too!! Shhhh... don't tell anyone.  |
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Post by yoko on Feb 6, 2015 14:26:12 GMT
One of my friends posted this and the very first response he got was someone telling him they didn't know he is an atheist how disappointed they are in him and they thought he was a better person than that. He IS a good person.  |
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Post by miominmio on Feb 6, 2015 14:27:00 GMT
Hey, we heathens have a moral compass, too!! Shhhh... don't tell anyone. Oooops, sorry! |
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Post by grinningcat on Feb 6, 2015 14:28:24 GMT
Shhhh... don't tell anyone. Oooops, sorry! Way to let the cat out of the bag (what a crazy expression that is... so put the cat back in the bag!)  |
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Post by Merge on Feb 6, 2015 14:33:24 GMT
I think there are values and ways of life that are better for raising kids. I just think those are common to many kinds of families and that it is more productive in practice to unify around those things than to try to sort out who's better than who. As usual, moveablefeast FTW. I think as a "mixed" household (DH is Christian; I'm a non-believer) we're pretty good proof of the fact that essential parenting decisions are not based in religious belief. We teach the same values to our kids: honesty, hard work, respect for self and others, determination, responsibility, caring for the earth and for those less fortunate. DH talks about God's plan for our lives; I tend to frame things in terms of our responsibility to ourselves and our communities. We have one child who leans toward non-belief and one who leans towards belief. DH likes to say that he relies on the bible for guidance and support, but that he's never found it useful as a weapon. I imagine if he was a more dogmatic type, our "mixed" marriage and parenting would be much less successful. |
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Post by gar on Feb 6, 2015 14:49:05 GMT
One of my friends posted this and the very first response he got was someone telling him they didn't know he is an atheist how disappointed they are in him and they thought he was a better person than that. He IS a good person. :frown: |
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Post by ~Susan~ on Feb 6, 2015 15:08:21 GMT
I can certainly relate to that article. I live smack in the middle of the Bible Belt and have a lot of "Christians" in my family and my circle of friends. I had a lot of bad experiences growing up and have decided not to be involved in "church". I don't advertise that I am not saved and I try to steer clear of those kinds of conversations and situations.
I'm not sure what I "am", but I sure as hell know that I will never profess to be a Christian. It really leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Most of the people that I am related to and are friends with are nice Christians, but there are a few that make the rest of them look really
bad. Sometimes I just want get in their faces and shout at them that there is no way they are getting into Heaven with the way they act. They are the biggest bigots and hypocrites I know. I also get a huge laugh out of what some of them post on FB. I so want to ask them if they remember that I actually know them in real life, lol.
Sorry to go on a rant, but this is something that we deal with on almost a daily basis in my area and I really get tired of hearing that people who aren't "Christian" must be bad and live indecent lives. Nothing could be farther from the truth for me and my immediate family.
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Post by Regina Phalange on Feb 6, 2015 15:16:25 GMT
The columnist David Brooks just posted a column slamming secularists for lacking adequate moral motivation so it's a hot topic in opinion based news this week. I can't tell you how many times, when reading about these topics, that I've heard a Christian say they don't understand how athiests could have morals because they don't believe in God. It's not an uncommon thought by any means. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 15:25:27 GMT
The columnist David Brooks just posted a column slamming secularists for lacking adequate moral motivation so it's a hot topic in opinion based news this week. I can't tell you how many times, when reading about these topics, that I've heard a Christian say they don't understand how athiests could have morals because they don't believe in God. It's not an uncommon thought by any means. How insulting would it be if we turned that thought around and said 'hey, so if it wasn't for your belief in god and the massive pay off you're gonna receive when you die are you saying you'd be looting, raping and murdering on a regular basis'? I'm guessing pretty insulting!! |
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Post by wellway on Feb 6, 2015 15:42:44 GMT
The columnist David Brooks just posted a column slamming secularists for lacking adequate moral motivation so it's a hot topic in opinion based news this week. I can't tell you how many times, when reading about these topics, that I've heard a Christian say they don't understand how athiests could have morals because they don't believe in God. It's not an uncommon thought by any means. See, I don't understand those types of Christians. It's like they are saying I only make good choices because I fear God's wrath or I need to build up a long list of good deeds for the promised afterlife. Their moral decisions come across as calculated rather than selfless. Picturing Phoebe and Joey discussing a truly selfless act. 
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Post by bc2ca on Feb 6, 2015 17:11:48 GMT
Are Doing A Better Job with a link to this article jezebel.com/godless-parents-are-doing-a-better-job-1682844001?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenewsWe aren't close with dh's sister or her family, but i feel blech since she put this out there. I pretty much knew how they felt, and really never cared one way or the other. But this article just seems so hurtful and judgmental, no matter what you believe in. I believe most of us are doing the best we can as parents and this article, well, it just stirs the pot unnecessarily. Or am I missing something? Is this a great article and I'm not being fair judging her back for her posting it. Sorry, I'm rambling, this just really struck a nerve... and I'm far from uber religious.  ? I think the title of the article was inflammatory/attention getting, but there is a lot of good stuff in it and I didn't find that it was "hurtful and judgmental, no matter what you believe in". This didn't surprise me at all: And the countries with the lowest crime and highest reports of well-being (Sweden, Denmark, Japan, Belgium and New Zealand)? They are the ones with the lowest religious engagement.
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Post by Regina Phalange on Feb 6, 2015 17:13:56 GMT
I can't tell you how many times, when reading about these topics, that I've heard a Christian say they don't understand how athiests could have morals because they don't believe in God. It's not an uncommon thought by any means. See, I don't understand those types of Christians. It's like they are saying I only make good choices because I fear God's wrath or I need to build up a long list of good deeds for the promised afterlife. Their moral decisions come across as calculated rather than selfless. Picturing Phoebe and Joey discussing a truly selfless act.
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Post by compwalla on Feb 6, 2015 17:28:51 GMT
There is a common refrain heard in religious areas of the country - that you can't be a good moral person if you aren't religious. This article refutes that. I think it's awesome but something secular families were already well aware of.
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