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Post by fridaycat on Feb 6, 2015 2:38:34 GMT
Are Doing A Better Job with a link to this article jezebel.com/godless-parents-are-doing-a-better-job-1682844001?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenewsWe aren't close with dh's sister or her family, but i feel blech since she put this out there. I pretty much knew how they felt, and really never cared one way or the other. But this article just seems so hurtful and judgmental, no matter what you believe in. I believe most of us are doing the best we can as parents and this article, well, it just stirs the pot unnecessarily. Or am I missing something? Is this a great article and I'm not being fair judging her back for her posting it. Sorry, I'm rambling, this just really struck a nerve... and I'm far from uber religious. ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 2:44:00 GMT
The tone of the article is a bit sarcastic and biting, but I don't see anything wrong with the actual content. I think the findings of all of the studies cited are very interesting.
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Post by trollie on Feb 6, 2015 2:44:56 GMT
Thrusday. It's what's for dinner!
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Feb 6, 2015 2:45:47 GMT
I'm sure that when she sees articles about how religious parents are doing a better job she feels the same way as you.
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Post by freecharlie on Feb 6, 2015 2:46:27 GMT
Why let someone's post of an article meant to pat one group on the back while shredding another influence your life at all?
Scroll by and ignore. I couldn't even make it through that "article" and I don't go to church.
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Post by myshelly on Feb 6, 2015 2:49:09 GMT
Are people really this affected by what others post on FB? Really?
I think the article is interesting. It cites lots of interesting studies and brings up some good points.
And it's in Jezebel. Of course it's snarky and sarcastic. That's their style. (Which is why I love that site so much, exactly my type of humor)
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Post by christine58 on Feb 6, 2015 2:49:19 GMT
I agree with this part to an extent...and I am a Catholic. I believe in God but my morality came from being taught by my parents this exact statement~~That how you treat others matters. Are some non-believers good people--absolutely. Are some believers bad people...absolutely.
I think there are good parts of this article and there's other parts that I think are hogwash. Just because someone believes in God does not make them a good person or a good parent.
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Post by ntsf on Feb 6, 2015 2:50:57 GMT
it is so counter to what you usually see..I think it is fine. I wouldn't take it as a personal insult.
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Post by fridaycat on Feb 6, 2015 2:52:23 GMT
Haha, Thursday...I should have waited a few more hours to post this. In my 14 years on 2ps I've never ventured into partaking in controversial threads. I am definitely more the what's-for-dinner kinda girl so please be kind. ?
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Post by AussieMeg on Feb 6, 2015 2:56:44 GMT
I don't know your SIL so I can't really comment on her intent - perhaps she is trying to be inflammatory, perhaps she feels the need to "prove" that her godlessness is ok. But overall I don't see anything really wrong with the article.
Things like :
is pretty much what I think.
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Post by trollie on Feb 6, 2015 2:56:57 GMT
Haha, Thursday...I should have waited a few more hours to post this. In my 14 years on 2ps I've never ventured into partaking in controversial threads. I am definitely more the what's-for-dinner kinda girl so please be kind. ? You just squeaked it in there tonight!! I predict a 10 pager fo sho!! You controversial refupea, you! If you know you're a good parent, just ignore the article... I'm sorry your SIL hurt your feelings.
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Post by fridaycat on Feb 6, 2015 3:00:05 GMT
[/quote]I agree with this part to an extent...and I am a Catholic. I believe in God but my morality came from being taught by my parents this exact statement~~That how you treat others matters. Are some non-believers good people--absolutely. Are some believers bad people...absolutely.
I think there are good parts of this article and there's other parts that I think are hogwash. Just because someone believes in God does not make them a good person or a good parent. [/quote]
I think that's what bothered me the most, good and bad people/parents are everywhere, no matter what you believe. I thought more of her than to look past, or at least not address, the obviousness of that.
And it is true, I thought about how she must feel seeing God messages that are seemingly more common. She does live in the Bible belt for that matter.
And thank you also for the reminder that it is Facebook after all. Snort.
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Post by fridaycat on Feb 6, 2015 3:05:27 GMT
I don't know your SIL so I can't really comment on her intent - perhaps she is trying to be inflammatory, perhaps she feels the need to "prove" that her godlessness is ok. But overall I don't see anything really wrong with the article. Things like : is pretty much what I think. Meg, maybe that's it. In general she likes it known she is better than everyone so perhaps in my mind I'm automatically going to make the leap to 'oh, ah, yes, sil, but of course you're better at this too'.
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Post by fridaycat on Feb 6, 2015 3:08:11 GMT
Haha, Thursday...I should have waited a few more hours to post this. In my 14 years on 2ps I've never ventured into partaking in controversial threads. I am definitely more the what's-for-dinner kinda girl so please be kind. ? You just squeaked it in there tonight!! I predict a 10 pager fo sho!! You controversial refupea, you! If you know you're a good parent, just ignore the article... I'm sorry your SIL hurt your feelings. Thank you. I will push this toward the just ignore file. And I really don't want a 10 pager. I think I would be mortified! Ha!
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Post by hop2 on Feb 6, 2015 3:09:11 GMT
I agree with this part to an extent...and I am a Catholic. I believe in God but my morality came from being taught by my parents this exact statement~~That how you treat others matters. Are some non-believers good people--absolutely. Are some believers bad people...absolutely. I think there are good parts of this article and there's other parts that I think are hogwash. Just because someone believes in God does not make them a good person or a good parent. yeah that.
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Post by AussieMeg on Feb 6, 2015 3:11:13 GMT
Meg, maybe that's it. In general she likes it known she is better than everyone so perhaps in my mind I'm automatically going to make the leap to 'oh, ah, yes, sil, but of course you're better at this too'. I thought that's where you might have been coming from. There's obviously history, and I can see why it would annoy you.
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Post by mellyw on Feb 6, 2015 3:11:20 GMT
Honestly, I think some people like to put their Atheism out there as much as Christians. And her living in the Bible Belt, as do I, what is thrown in your face if you don't believe in G*d, can be ugly.
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Post by carhoch on Feb 6, 2015 3:13:41 GMT
After having spent 13 years in Mobile Alabama and been openly secular I agree with most of that article ...
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Post by fridaycat on Feb 6, 2015 3:14:08 GMT
Christine58, your reply is why I brought this here... to more eloquently put my thoughts in order as to why the article bugged me.
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Post by fridaycat on Feb 6, 2015 3:17:51 GMT
Honestly, I think some people like to put their Atheism out there as much as Christians. And her living in the Bible Belt, as do I, what is thrown in your face if you don't believe in G*d, can be ugly. If I know my sil like I think I do, this was directed at someone in particular and it makes me sad all around... that she was hurt and this could hurt back.
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Post by 5peanutsnana on Feb 6, 2015 5:04:01 GMT
One of my FB friends posted this also. She even posted an apology of sorts by saying,"Don't shoot the messenger", so she was expecting controversy. Today she posted a picture of Mickey Mouse with measles, thanking President Obama for opening the borders. I somehow new he would eventually get blamed for the outbreak.
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Post by anniebygaslight on Feb 6, 2015 8:21:56 GMT
We don't tend to have the Bible Belt issues in the UK, so I probably haven't got a full perspective on how this might set the cat among the pigeons in such an environment. However, I have to say that I don't disagree with the content of the article.
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Post by polz on Feb 6, 2015 8:31:46 GMT
Here in New Zealand, roughly 10% of people go to church/temple/mass/mosque. We are largely secular. We are also largely tolerant. Hmmmm.
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Post by scrapaddie on Feb 6, 2015 8:46:29 GMT
Not exactly a scholarly article... who knows what his sources said because he quoted what he wanted and the crest was, as the writer said, "and shit"....
I think some of the peas speak much more eloquently!!
In my mind, a Christian 1. Treats everyone with compassion. 2. Leaves the judging to God 3. Works actively to help those less fortunate 4. Worships/studies God`s word 5. Is a steward for God`s creation ( takes care of earth/resources) 6. Behaves in such a way at all times that their actions are a greater testament for God than anything I could ever say. 7. Probably more I am not thinking about!!
I am a Christian and a scientist (biologist) who finds the workings of creation marvelous. I think evolution is the coolest creation.
What I don't understand is why anyone should be threatened by these beliefs and feel the need to disparage me for them.
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Post by gar on Feb 6, 2015 9:06:57 GMT
Not exactly a scholarly article... who knows what his sources said because he quoted what he wanted and the crest was, as the writer said, "and shit".... I think some of the peas speak much more eloquently!! In my mind, a Christian 1. Treats everyone with compassion. 2. Leaves the judging to God 3. Works actively to help those less fortunate 4. Worships/studies God`s word 5. Is a steward for God`s creation ( takes care of earth/resources) 6. Behaves in such a way at all times that their actions are a greater testament for God than anything I could ever say. 7. Probably more I am not thinking about!! I am a Christian and a scientist (biologist) who finds the workings of creation marvelous. I think evolution is the coolest creation. What I don't understand is why anyone should be threatened by these beliefs and feel the need to disparage me for them. For the reason that many Christians seem to find it hard to believe that non Christians also try to treat everyone with compassion, don't judge others, help those less fortunate and so on. There are disparagers and those who feel threatened (or rather feel the need to defend their side of the 'argument') on both sides.
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Post by Sarah*H on Feb 6, 2015 13:05:57 GMT
The columnist David Brooks just posted a column slamming secularists for lacking adequate moral motivation so it's a hot topic in opinion based news this week.
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Post by sunnyday on Feb 6, 2015 13:17:16 GMT
Lots of people don't like the tone of Jezebel. Personally, I enjoy that site, but it's definitely not for everyone.
With that said, I see countless, COUNTLESS Christian articles, memes, bible verses, and preachy status posts CONSTANTLY on my fb news feed. The vast majority of my family is conservative evangelical Christians. But God forbid that I post something like this...
I don't bother any more, but I just wish my relatives would keep their religious stuff to themselves. I have hidden many of them for this reason and I wish I didn't have to. But I just can't take it any more. So I end up missing out on the random personal stuff that they post sporadically, which is a shame. But when 80-95% of what they post is religious, I just can't waste my time scrolling through all of that to find the nugget I want.
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Post by apeacalledliz on Feb 6, 2015 13:24:40 GMT
I agree with this part to an extent...and I am a Catholic. I believe in God but my morality came from being taught by my parents this exact statement~~That how you treat others matters. Are some non-believers good people--absolutely. Are some believers bad people...absolutely. I think there are good parts of this article and there's other parts that I think are hogwash. Just because someone believes in God does not make them a good person or a good parent. So just some non believers are good people and only some believers are bad people.... meaning the majority of good people are believers? THIS kind of thinking is why someone would post that article. I believe that your words were simply poorly chosen and not meant the way they come across. I think most people are doing their best and like to help others when they can, I think most people try to treat others with respect and I honestly believe that most people are good, we just hear about the bad because let's face it "man helps elderly neighbor with groceries" isn't exactly newsworthy. Come to think of it, the reason that isn't newsworthy is because it's what is expected, the stuff that makes the news is the stuff that flies in the face of basic human decency.
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Post by grinningcat on Feb 6, 2015 13:36:43 GMT
I think looking over the snarky tone of the article (which is de rigeur for Jezabel), the article makes perfect sense. We are constantly bombarded with "only beleivers can be moral upstanding people" when the opposite is true. Are some Christians walking the walk and talking the talk and actually being good people? Absolutely, there are some here. However, the assholes who use Christianity to be mean, judgemental and assholic (of which we have many here) unfortunately are louder and a squeakier wheel who strive to yell "I AM A GOOD CHRISTIAN. YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE EXACTLY LIKE I DO AND I WILL JUDGE ANYONE WHO DARES TO THINK DIFFERENTLY FROM ME BECAUSE I AM THE ONLY PERSON HERE WHO COULD POSSIBLY KNOW WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A CHRISTIAN" and be judgemental of everyone and everything that is slightly different from their narrow point of view (coughcoughcoughskybar/skypeacoughcoughcoughisaprimeexamplecoughcoughcough) and they in turn give all Christians a bad name.
So I think that in a world where some religious folds are yelling to have their judgemental "truths" heard and everyone follow their religion because it's the only way, it's refreshing to hear that there is a different voice to be heard, confirming that we atheists aren't the heathens and hooligans incapable of morals or ethics that many religious people claim us to be.
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Post by moveablefeast on Feb 6, 2015 14:02:54 GMT
My thought, after reading the article, is pretty much the same as my thought after reading most pieces about parenting.
We are all doing the best we can.
In our house, we love Jesus, we love people, we try to be good to others, we try to be thoughtful and kind and generous.
My closest neighbor friends are Hindu. They are good people, thoughtful and kind and generous. They have great family values of commitment and love and hard work.
We have atheist friends with the same values for their families.
I think there are values and ways of life that are better for raising kids. I just think those are common to many kinds of families and that it is more productive in practice to unify around those things than to try to sort out who's better than who.
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