CeeScraps
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Post by CeeScraps on Mar 2, 2015 0:26:46 GMT
60 minutes has this on now. Apparently there is too much formaldehyde in this flooring.
I don't have this I just wanted to share. It sounds like it is country wide.
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Post by cherrie on Mar 2, 2015 0:57:49 GMT
I watched.....how disgusting to sell that crap!
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Post by hennybutton on Mar 2, 2015 2:06:05 GMT
I wonder how many times we're going to get products from China that have excessive levels of toxins in them before we push back. Remember the dog food with melamine? The children's toys with lead paint? This is the price we pay for cheap goods from a country that doesn't even impose air quality standards on their industry.
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Post by tincin on Mar 2, 2015 2:13:52 GMT
When all we care about is the price of the product, these are the sorts of things that happen. Something has to be done to cut the price, generally it's either the components of the product or the cost of labor. In many places, like China, it's both.
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Post by hennybutton on Mar 2, 2015 2:21:02 GMT
When all we care about is the price of the product, these are the sorts of things that happen. Something has to be done to cut the price, generally it's either the components of the product or the cost of labor. In many places, like China, it's both. Exactly! It's quite telling to look at our West Coast ports. Trucks go in empty and the containers pile up on the docks faster than they can move them out. We do so little exporting compared to importing. You wouldn't believe how many ships are sitting off the coast between Long Beach and Huntington Beach right now because the dockworkers are staging a labor slowdown. We just get too much stuff from China. |
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Post by raindancer on Mar 2, 2015 2:25:02 GMT
I wonder how many times we're going to get products from China that have excessive levels of toxins in them before we push back. Remember the dog food with melamine? The children's toys with lead paint? This is the price we pay for cheap goods from a country that doesn't even impose air quality standards on their industry. its always interesting to me how no one considers the laborers in China. Just worry about ourselves. The dog food with melamine is a good example. More outrage over our pets in the US health than for those human beings producing these products. And our outrage is short lived because honestly we have set ourselves up to fail within this framework. Don't buy China is a great catch phrase, that is completely unrealistic. We can't do it. And so it goes. We are all bark and no bite. |
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Post by mstubble on Mar 2, 2015 2:31:11 GMT
60 minutes has this on now. Apparently there is too much formaldehyde in this flooring. I don't have this I just wanted to share. It sounds like it is country wide. Leather handbags and shoes that come from China also have excessive levels of formaldehyde in them. ETA: Bold words added. |
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Post by raindancer on Mar 2, 2015 2:32:34 GMT
60 minutes has this on now. Apparently there is too much formaldehyde in this flooring. I don't have this I just wanted to share. It sounds like it is country wide. Leather handbags and shoes that come from China also have formaldehyde in them. and as with everything, it's how much that makes it an issue or not. the chemical is not inherently "good" or "bad" |
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Post by tincin on Mar 2, 2015 2:42:32 GMT
I wonder how many times we're going to get products from China that have excessive levels of toxins in them before we push back. Remember the dog food with melamine? The children's toys with lead paint? This is the price we pay for cheap goods from a country that doesn't even impose air quality standards on their industry. its always interesting to me how no one considers the laborers in China. Just worry about ourselves. The dog food with melamine is a good example. More outrage over our pets in the US health than for those human beings producing these products. And our outrage is short lived because honestly we have set ourselves up to fail within this framework. Don't buy China is a great catch phrase, that is completely unrealistic. We can't do it. And so it goes. We are all bark and no bite. Actually, if we quit buying so much crap from the nations that do this, like China, it would have a direct impact on the people that produce the products. Once the demand decreases, the production will decrease. In actuality, that is all I can do as a person to help the people who produce these things and are exposed to the toxins. |
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Post by mstubble on Mar 2, 2015 2:51:12 GMT
Leather handbags and shoes that come from China also have formaldehyde in them. and as with everything, it's how much that makes it an issue or not. the chemical is not inherently "good" or "bad" These items from China contain excessive levels of formaldehyde. Formaldehyde can cause skin irritation; on shoulders and hands from handbags and the feet from the shoes. I've run into people who have really bad reactions and have to be very careful about handbags and shoes. |
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Post by suzastampin on Mar 2, 2015 5:02:16 GMT
I saw it and am so tired of companies putting profits above ethics. Yea...like they didn't know this was going on. And, we wonder why the huge rise in autism over the last few years. Kids and moms are being exposed to so much crap. Who knows what all these chemicals are doing to kids? I saw a story the other day of a baby being born with cancer!
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Post by raindancer on Mar 2, 2015 5:11:14 GMT
its always interesting to me how no one considers the laborers in China. Just worry about ourselves. The dog food with melamine is a good example. More outrage over our pets in the US health than for those human beings producing these products. And our outrage is short lived because honestly we have set ourselves up to fail within this framework. Don't buy China is a great catch phrase, that is completely unrealistic. We can't do it. And so it goes. We are all bark and no bite. Actually, if we quit buying so much crap from the nations that do this, like China, it would have a direct impact on the people that produce the products. Once the demand decreases, the production will decrease. In actuality, that is all I can do as a person to help the people who produce these things and are exposed to the toxins. actually, this is an extremely complex problem, with exceptionally difficult aspects that have to be navigated. It's not black and white nor so simple as 'don't buy from them'. everything has a cost. and not thinking through situations is what got us here in the first place. the developed countries, policy, corporations, governments, all have a stake in this. |
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Post by raindancer on Mar 2, 2015 5:15:01 GMT
I saw it and am so tired of companies putting profits above ethics. Yea...like they didn't know this was going on. And, we wonder why the huge rise in autism over the last few years. Kids and moms are being exposed to so much crap. Who knows what all these chemicals are doing to kids? I saw a story the other day of a baby being born with cancer! in the world we know of 70000+ chemicals. We regulate about 7000 (US) . Its a really big and overwhelming problem. Yet one we won't tackle any time soon. We have a rather scientifically illiterate population, and a huge fear of science in general. Not to mention, even when we do warn people, half the country doesn't believe the scientists. they believe that corporations deserve to make money regardless of the dangers. they believe scientists are schills. We can't get people to understand that climate change is a real thing. Let alone fund safety research on chemicals. |
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Post by raindancer on Mar 2, 2015 5:15:26 GMT
and as with everything, it's how much that makes it an issue or not. the chemical is not inherently "good" or "bad" These items from China contain excessive levels of formaldehyde. Formaldehyde can cause skin irritation; on shoulders and hands from handbags and the feet from the shoes. I've run into people who have really bad reactions and have to be very careful about handbags and shoes. How does that negate what I said? |
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Post by tincin on Mar 2, 2015 12:53:31 GMT
Actually, if we quit buying so much crap from the nations that do this, like China, it would have a direct impact on the people that produce the products. Once the demand decreases, the production will decrease. In actuality, that is all I can do as a person to help the people who produce these things and are exposed to the toxins. actually, this is an extremely complex problem, with exceptionally difficult aspects that have to be navigated. It's not black and white nor so simple as 'don't buy from them'. everything has a cost. and not thinking through situations is what got us here in the first place. the developed countries, policy, corporations, governments, all have a stake in this. Obviously, it is much too complex for a simple mind such as mine, I bow to your superior intellect. |
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Post by Kerri W on Mar 2, 2015 13:17:36 GMT
So Raindancer are we all supposed to continue to ignore the problem? Please tell us an appropriate response because my gut reaction is to not buy the product.
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Post by scrappinmama on Mar 2, 2015 14:18:47 GMT
It is a complex problem, but something has to be done. How many times do we have to hear about toxins in products from China, before we actually address the problem? I don't have the answers. It would be a painful transition for some companies.
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Post by raindancer on Mar 2, 2015 14:31:01 GMT
So Raindancer are we all supposed to continue to ignore the problem? Please tell us an appropriate response because my gut reaction is to not buy the product. I'm not suggesting that anyone buy the product. I'm suggesting that every time this comes up the outrage is directed at a specific item and only because Americans are afraid for their health. Never do they consider that this is on going day after day I China. The fact is that we can't fix this by simply not buying a single product. Additionally how much do you think the workers are exposed to daily making that flooring. And even flooring with permissible levels of exposure for uS in our homes is too high in the workplace. My point is that I get tired of the indignation at what China is "doing to us" when we should really be asking ourselves "what the hell are we doing to China's poor" |
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Post by raindancer on Mar 2, 2015 14:32:07 GMT
actually, this is an extremely complex problem, with exceptionally difficult aspects that have to be navigated. It's not black and white nor so simple as 'don't buy from them'. everything has a cost. and not thinking through situations is what got us here in the first place. the developed countries, policy, corporations, governments, all have a stake in this. Obviously, it is much too complex for a simple mind such as mine, I bow to your superior intellect. Obviously if you think I'm commenting on your intellect we can't have a real conversation. But hey go on being butt hurt. |
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Post by mstubble on Mar 2, 2015 15:06:23 GMT
These items from China contain excessive levels of formaldehyde. Formaldehyde can cause skin irritation; on shoulders and hands from handbags and the feet from the shoes. I've run into people who have really bad reactions and have to be very careful about handbags and shoes. How does that negate what I said? Formaldehyde is bad in excessive amounts. |
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Post by Peamac on Mar 2, 2015 15:17:03 GMT
I saw it and am so tired of companies putting profits above ethics. Yea...like they didn't know this was going on. And, we wonder why the huge rise in autism over the last few years. Kids and moms are being exposed to so much crap. Who knows what all these chemicals are doing to kids? I saw a story the other day of a baby being born with cancer! in the world we know of 70000+ chemicals. We regulate about 7000 (US) . Its a really big and overwhelming problem. Yet one we won't tackle any time soon. We have a rather scientifically illiterate population, and a huge fear of science in general. Not to mention, even when we do warn people, half the country doesn't believe the scientists. they believe that corporations deserve to make money regardless of the dangers. they believe scientists are schills. We can't get people to understand that climate change is a real thing. Let alone fund safety research on chemicals. I'm not "scientifically illiterate" and I don't have a "fear of science", but I can understand why a lot of people don't believe scientists. Most of the "scientific discoveries" that I hear about in the news are about millions and billions of dollars being spent to "discover" all sorts of ridiculous things that we already know, like "wash your hands so you don't get sick," "men are different than women," etc, etc. How often have we said, "well duh, of course! Who wouldn't know that? What a waste of money!" Between "studies" like those, people like Dr. Oz, new fad diets and workout plans coming out constantly-- it's no wonder people don't know who to believe anymore. |
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Post by Kerri W on Mar 2, 2015 16:10:22 GMT
So Raindancer are we all supposed to continue to ignore the problem? Please tell us an appropriate response because my gut reaction is to not buy the product. I'm not suggesting that anyone buy the product. I'm suggesting that every time this comes up the outrage is directed at a specific item and only because Americans are afraid for their health. Never do they consider that this is on going day after day I China. The fact is that we can't fix this by simply not buying a single product. Additionally how much do you think the workers are exposed to daily making that flooring. And even flooring with permissible levels of exposure for uS in our homes is too high in the workplace. My point is that I get tired of the indignation at what China is "doing to us" when we should really be asking ourselves "what the hell are we doing to China's poor" So what should we be doing to help China's poor? |
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Post by raindancer on Mar 2, 2015 17:23:53 GMT
How does that negate what I said? Formaldehyde is bad in excessive amounts. Right. Which is exactly what I said. All chemicals can be bad in excessive amounts. |
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Post by CeeScraps on Mar 2, 2015 18:42:10 GMT
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