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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2015 5:42:35 GMT
I think this challenge is interesting. Not helpful to anybody who actually recieves food stamps but interesting.
The challenge is to look up what your family would recieve in assistence and then then tried to shop using only that much money.
Gwen Paltrow was challenged to do this and she did. BUT it has turned into a huge nightmare for her.
Would you try it for a month?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2015 5:54:46 GMT
Interesting challenge. What was so nightmarish about it for her?
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Post by scorpeao on Apr 14, 2015 6:04:22 GMT
She's being bashed for her choices. What she chose amounted to about 1000 calories/day. She made some really questionable purchases, such as 7 limes.
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Post by luvnlifelady on Apr 14, 2015 6:16:29 GMT
I think it may get flack too because most anyone can do it for a week knowing it's not permanent. If you knew after the week was over you could go back to normal, it would be a lot easier to scrimp than if it's your actual reality.
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Post by grinningcat on Apr 14, 2015 11:30:30 GMT
I have to agree with the article when it says that these challenges are useless. I, quite frankly, hate them and think they work to the detriment of those on food assistance rather than make things better for them. Real movement towards food security is what is needed (living wages, eliminating food deserts, etc) not this slacktivism bullshit.
And we all know that Paltrow is a clueless git.
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Post by pelirroja on Apr 14, 2015 11:41:30 GMT
Paltrow's heart is probably in the right place but it's hard to take her seriously when she has led such a privileged life. I'm guessing that for Gwyneth, any food deprivation experience she's had is likely a self-imposed personal choice and not a real-life food/rent/medication decision for her.
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Post by blue tulip on Apr 14, 2015 11:47:17 GMT
Paltrow's heart is probably in the right place but it's hard to take her seriously when she has led such a privileged life. I'm guessing that for Gwyneth, any food deprivation experience she's had is likely a self-imposed personal choice and not a real-life food/rent/medication decision for her. I agree. and she's coming at it from "how do I maintain my healthy lifestyle on $29 a week? you can't. you have to put those limes back and get ramen noodles and such because that will feed your kids longer than limes. of course she's not willing to adopt the menu a lot of foodstamp people are limited to: the most "food" for the cheapest price are never the better, nutritious items you'd like to be eating.
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Post by anxiousmom on Apr 14, 2015 11:51:33 GMT
Paltrow's heart is probably in the right place but it's hard to take her seriously when she has led such a privileged life. I'm guessing that for Gwyneth, any food deprivation experience she's had is likely a self-imposed personal choice and not a real-life food/rent/medication decision for her. I agree. I think it shows when you look at her food choices. Most of us would recognize that the choices she made would not feed you for a week-my guess is that she doesn't spend a lot of time in a grocery store to begin with, which probably would make it hard to judge portions available from those foods. As to the challenge, I could do it. But that is mostly because my food budget has been shrinking and food costs increasing and I have been forced due to recent circumstances to change how I look at my own choices while grocery shopping. Turns out, if you are careful enough, you can well and spend less.
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Post by Rainbow on Apr 14, 2015 12:01:49 GMT
She doesn't seem like she knows what people on food stamps buys. I see them buy pop, chips and candy.
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Post by anxiousmom on Apr 14, 2015 12:23:06 GMT
She doesn't seem like she knows what people on food stamps buys. I see them buy pop, chips and candy. And I see "them" buy vegetables and meat and other healthy meal choices. Not every one who is a "them" buys junk food. Food stamps does not equal an automatic poor decision maker when it comes to food.
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Post by Rainbow on Apr 14, 2015 12:25:07 GMT
She doesn't seem like she knows what people on food stamps buys. I see them buy pop, chips and candy. And I see "them" buy vegetables and meat and other healthy meal choices. Not every one who is a "them" buys junk food. Food stamps does not equal an automatic poor decision maker when it comes to food. I'd be GLAD if I saw them buying healthy choices. Unfortunately, this is not the case.
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Post by anxiousmom on Apr 14, 2015 12:31:13 GMT
And I see "them" buy vegetables and meat and other healthy meal choices. Not every one who is a "them" buys junk food. Food stamps does not equal an automatic poor decision maker when it comes to food. I'd be GLAD if I saw them buying healthy choices. Unfortunately, this is not the case.Down in my neck of the woods, SNAP benefits are on a debit like card. The card is run through the machine exactly like my debit/credit card is and unless you happen to be watching at the time the card is run, you won't notice that a person is using any kind of specific method of payment. With the economy the way it has been and number of working poor who are receiving benefits, the more likely scenario is that you just haven't noticed all the people who are making different choices.
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Post by Linda on Apr 14, 2015 12:32:13 GMT
I looked up the maximum food stamp benefit for my family size (5 people) and it's pretty in line with my food budget to be honest - probably a little more than I spend since my food budget includes non-food items and food stamps doesn't. But I have a fully stocked kitchen, a working fridge, a chest freezer, and don't have to worry about my electricity being shut off. That enables me to shop sales and store for later. It enables me to cook from scratch and to buy fresh foods with out worrying about them going bad. Oh and I'm a homemaker which gives me the time to prepare and cook meals, can etc... There are people on food stamps living out of their car - they have to buy shelf-stable foods that don't require cooking. There are people on food stamps living in motal rooms with just a microwave and a micro-fridge - they have to buy microwavable foods and can only buy a very small quantity of perishable items at a time. There are people on food stamps who don't have electricity and/or water because it's been shut off....that limits cooking options also There are people on food stamps who are working two jobs and taking care of children and need quick easy meals There are people on food stamps who never learnt to cook at home or in school and microwave dinners and convenience foods are the best they can do. There are people on food stamps who have to say no to almost everything their child wants and much of what they need...I don't begrudge them a bag of chips or a candy bar because for that moment, they got to say yes There are people on food stamps who are perpetually sleep-deprived between working long hours and raising children and wondering where the rent money will come from - I don't begrudge them coffee or soda as a pickmeup. rainbow - you don't know their stories or why they make the food choices they make - perhaps it's their child's birthday? perhaps they were asked to contribute to the class party? perhaps they are tired of always saying no and a couple of dollars/month on candy or chips is the only treat they or their child gets? Or perhaps they live on chips and candy and pop and never buy anything nutritious...but I'm guessing that's the least likely answer
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2015 12:34:12 GMT
Food stamps are meant to SUPPLEMENT your food budget, not be the whole budget. The amount that you get is supposed to be based on your family size and income.
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Post by iowgirl on Apr 14, 2015 12:42:15 GMT
I have seen people buying large amounts of the really cheap frozen pizzas and other pre-prepared stuff. I know these aren't the healthiest - and I know I full on judged them by their physical appearance and the type of food they were buying. I also know they were using the food stamp card.
But, I have come to realize they probably don't know how to prepare a nutritious meal and stretch out meats and proteins. I grew up with a mother who was dirt poor growing up. I mean really poor. I remember one of the best things she made was braised beef bones ("so meaty" she would say) with gravy and mashed potatoes. It was like a taste of heaven. I asked her how to make them later, and she laughed. She was buying "dog bones" from the butcher.
I also learned a chicken or turkey wasn't a one time meal. You used the carcass and made wonderful flavorful broths for soups. She would put the left over veggies into the freezer and put them all in a beef vegetable soup.
It wasn't a matter of economy in how she cooked at this point. But it was how she learned. It is how I learned. It is how my kids are learning. My kids are young adults, but can make a wonderful home made meal that blows their friends away. Time is the enemy when trying to make some of these old fashioned dishes (old fashion - now trendy!) - but they plan ahead and make the stock on the weekend and use it during the week or have other parts of the meal pre-prepped.
I really think SO many people have no idea how to cook. Some also have absolutely no time to do it. I really think about it now before I judge their food choices.
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Post by Rainbow on Apr 14, 2015 12:47:07 GMT
I'd be GLAD if I saw them buying healthy choices. Unfortunately, this is not the case. Down in my neck of the woods, SNAP benefits are on a debit like card. The card is run through the machine exactly like my debit/credit card is and unless you happen to be watching at the time the card is run, you won't notice that a person is using any kind of specific method of payment. With the economy the way it has been and number of working poor who are receiving benefits, the more likely scenario is that you just haven't noticed all the people who are making different choices. I was a cashier at one time, so I knew how they paid. It frustrated me to no end that I was working my ass off so they could have "free" junk food.
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Post by brina on Apr 14, 2015 12:47:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2015 12:52:12 GMT
It's not really a valid challenge. "Food Stamps", which is no longer the correct name for the benefits, are a supplemental assistance program. Recipients are not expected to only spend the amount of their benefits on food. It's to supplement existing income.
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Post by pierkiss on Apr 14, 2015 13:01:46 GMT
I'm not getting the outrage. She bought what she eats normally. Is everyone upset because she took the challenge in the first place? Orate people upset that she didn't buy junk food? I just don't get it, and I am NOT a fan of hers in the least. I think this whole thing is pointless, but not outrage worthy.
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Post by grinningcat on Apr 14, 2015 13:04:14 GMT
That sounds like a great project! Like a food share but more in depth. I hope it succeeds.
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Post by anxiousmom on Apr 14, 2015 13:05:21 GMT
Down in my neck of the woods, SNAP benefits are on a debit like card. The card is run through the machine exactly like my debit/credit card is and unless you happen to be watching at the time the card is run, you won't notice that a person is using any kind of specific method of payment. With the economy the way it has been and number of working poor who are receiving benefits, the more likely scenario is that you just haven't noticed all the people who are making different choices. I was a cashier at one time, so I knew how they paid. It frustrated me to no end that I was working my ass off so they could have "free" junk food.Well, then I am sorry that appears to be your only experience with SNAP benefits. I stand by my assertion that is not the rule but rather the exception. But, we all see life through the prism of our own experiences, and my prism is vastly different than yours-like night and day different.
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Post by grinningcat on Apr 14, 2015 13:09:27 GMT
I'm not getting the outrage. She bought what she eats normally. Is everyone upset because she took the challenge in the first place? Orate people upset that she didn't buy junk food? I just don't get it, and I am NOT a fan of hers in the least. I think this whole thing is pointless, but not outrage worthy. I think it's because what she bought would not last for a family for a week. She bought 7 limes, one cob of corn, one avocado, one sweet potato and one tomato, not exactly going to go very far (well the limes will I suppose). The beans, peas, rice and eggs, yes those could stretch through the week. The cilantro, the green onions the romaine, the onion and the jalapeno, yes those could be stretched through the week to add flavour. I'm not sure how many tortillas are in the pack but they could be for a couple meals. But by the end of the week, she'd be in a bind because there wouldn't be much left. I understand that she's buying within her preferred food diet, but that diet is not realistic for someone who is using food stamps to feed their family. That's where the outrage is coming from. That and Paltrow has said some things in the past that makes her completely clueless about reality for anyone other than the super priviledged like herself.
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Post by grinningcat on Apr 14, 2015 13:10:09 GMT
I was a cashier at one time, so I knew how they paid. It frustrated me to no end that I was working my ass off so they could have "free" junk food. Well, then I am sorry that appears to be your only experience with SNAP benefits. I stand by my assertion that is not the rule but rather the exception. But, we all see life through the prism of our own experiences, and my prism is vastly different than yours-like night and day different. That is definitely the exception not the rule. But I am not surprised at the source of this misinformation.
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Post by Rainbow on Apr 14, 2015 13:16:58 GMT
Well, then I am sorry that appears to be your only experience with SNAP benefits. I stand by my assertion that is not the rule but rather the exception. But, we all see life through the prism of our own experiences, and my prism is vastly different than yours-like night and day different. That is definitely the exception not the rule. But I am not surprised at the source of this misinformation. I'm curious where all these healthy-eating food stamp recipients are, LOL. They don't live anywhere near me.
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Post by compeateropeator on Apr 14, 2015 13:26:46 GMT
I agree with others that it is probably a lot easier to do this when it is self imposed and you know that you can go back to your normal eating/buying patterns. But I think it would show you how difficult it is to eat healthy when you relying mainly on assistance. It is very expensive to buy fresh fruit and vegetable, even at places like farmers markets. As someone else said food stamps is supposed to be just a supplemental, however I am sure it is the majority of many people's food budget. While I am sure there are many who make questionable choices, there are also many who try to feed their families the best they can. I try not judge. She doesn't seem like she knows what people on food stamps buys. I see them buy pop, chips and candy. I try to not be judgemental about people's situations. Just as I try not to judge you by many of your questionable (at least in my eyes) posts. You have said that you are very low income and that you don't typically have to file taxes. Yet you use various services provided by the government, while obviously not contributing as much as others do, and all while judging others who need a little bit help. Maybe you should give tips to others on how to eat and live so scrupulously and correctly. We all need help at sometime and I certainly try not to judge how others live...I have a hard enough time keeping my own life in order. I try not to think the worst about others no matter what their situation is.
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Post by compwalla on Apr 14, 2015 13:31:30 GMT
Food stamps are meant to SUPPLEMENT your food budget, not be the whole budget. The amount that you get is supposed to be based on your family size and income. Yes. This is why food stamp challenges are worthless.
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Post by withapea on Apr 14, 2015 13:38:56 GMT
I have mixed feelings about these. I appreciate that they attempt to bring awareness but I think they fall short of reality. Anyone can do something for a week or month especially without the other constraints that people that qualify for this type of assistance typically have. Eating well when you have time, access and a lifestyle that someone who is working poor doesn't negates an awful lot of the "experience".
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Post by anxiousmom on Apr 14, 2015 13:40:17 GMT
That is definitely the exception not the rule. But I am not surprised at the source of this misinformation. I'm curious where all these healthy-eating food stamp recipients are, LOL. They don't live anywhere near me.I don't know what to tell you. Until the scales fall from your eyes, you won't see them because you have already decided to see what you what you see and nothing more.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Apr 14, 2015 13:44:16 GMT
" It wasn't a matter of economy in how she cooked at this point. But it was how she learned. It is how I learned. It is how my kids are learning. My kids are young adults, but can make a wonderful home made meal that blows their friends away. Time is the enemy when trying to make some of these old fashioned dishes (old fashion - now trendy!) - but they plan ahead and make the stock on the weekend and use it during the week or have other parts of the meal pre-prepped.
I really think SO many people have no idea how to cook. Some also have absolutely no time to do it. I really think about it now before I judge their food choices." ------------------------------------------------------------------------
I think most people learn this. I don't think people make a chix then throw it away after the 1st meal. I agree, what Gwynth bought is a SUPPLEMENT. It wasn't intended to just eat what she bought all wk, just that. We buy groceries and don't just live off of that all wk, we have other things in our kitchen pantry, correct?
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