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Post by twoboyzmom on Apr 19, 2015 20:47:34 GMT
Their crate. Did/do you ever use as punishment? Especially for messing in the house?
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Post by Sam on Apr 19, 2015 20:52:47 GMT
Like toddlers and adults, there's a big difference between puppy and dog, so you need to tell us which it is!
That's just as a starting point for discussion.............
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Post by twoboyzmom on Apr 19, 2015 20:55:05 GMT
Sorry...4 months old. Just meant a dog question in general in my title. She did better the first few weeks we had her then now. ...just have had enough!!!
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Post by redshoes on Apr 19, 2015 20:59:23 GMT
I wouldn't use it as punishment. We used the crate to help potty train.
We didn't punish for accidents in the house-just lots of praise when they went outside to reinforce correct behavior.
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Post by Sam on Apr 19, 2015 21:04:24 GMT
I wouldn't use it as punishment. We didn't punish for accidents in the house-just lots of praise when they went outside to reinforce correct behavior. YUP!!  |
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Post by twoboyzmom on Apr 19, 2015 21:08:46 GMT
I think putting her in the crate after a "no no" makes her think her crate is a bad place to be (dh and I disagree) but I also don't believe in doing nothing either...she has to know she did wrong....tired of finding messes when we are all around the house...no reason she can't go to one of the three doors. ..she knows how...did it for weeks
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Post by christine58 on Apr 19, 2015 21:18:37 GMT
She's too young to have free reign in your house. Get her on a poop and pee schedule. Or tether her to you with a lease and as she starts to go...take her out. Praise praise praise when she goes outside.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 21:19:49 GMT
I think putting her in the crate after a "no no" makes her think her crate is a bad place to be (dh and I disagree) but I also don't believe in doing nothing either...she has to know she did wrong....tired of finding messes when we are all around the house...no reason she can't go to one of the three doors. ..she knows how...did it for weeks A four months the dog is not the problem. The people are. Doing if for weeks likely meant the family was hyper vigilant about getting her out. Now the new has worn off and she is getting ignored. Do NOT use a crate for punishment. In fact, don't punish a dog. They don't understand it. Reward like a crazy party for appropriate behavior and change the PEOPLE. Pick a door you want her to use to go out. Teach her how to ask in a noisy can't miss kind of way (bell or bark) And smack the day lights out of the next person who ignores her request to go out. |
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Post by twoboyzmom on Apr 19, 2015 21:22:16 GMT
No one ignores her requests. ..most of her messes are no where near the doors. She will normally pick one door to go to when she chooses to tell us she needs to go out. 95% of the time she is in a room with someone. We put her out after she eats, wakes up, plays....yet she can go all night and not have to go out once.
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Post by christine58 on Apr 19, 2015 21:24:51 GMT
 Take her to the SAME door every time...hang a bell on it. My Abbey dog peed in the house ONCE (and she's 11) and it was all my fault. She was running around playing with my nephew for about 10 minutes and I ignored her "i gotta pee" dance...LOL. Do you leave her food out all day?? Or do you feed her at the same time daily?? Abbey at that age spent a lot of time in her crate playing/sleeping. Your dog can go all night without peeing etc because she's in her crate (I am assuming) and most dogs won't go where they sleep. PLUS she's less active. The best thing I ever did was a schedule of going out to pee etc. As she got older, I increased the time between. Crate should never be used as punishment. There are some great resources/ideas online..just google crate training...Good luck!!
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Post by twoboyzmom on Apr 19, 2015 21:47:32 GMT
She sleeps with us. ..that's how I know she can go all night. She is given meals and water about the same time each day. She has a relatively same schedule each day....meals at a certain time. .etc. weekends are a little different as we are out more at times
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 23:08:53 GMT
Absolutely not..their crate is supposed to be their safe place. I agree with other posters who said that it's not their fault, it's yours. You have to pay attention to their signs and signals for what they need...especially at that young age.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 23:20:16 GMT
No one ignores her requests. ..most of her messes are no where near the doors. She will normally pick one door to go to when she chooses to tell us she needs to go out. 95% of the time she is in a room with someone. We put her out after she eats, wakes up, plays....yet she can go all night and not have to go out once. Of course she doesn't mess near the doors. They are part of **her** house. She messes in parts that don't belong to her. Just because she is with someone 95% of the time does not mean they are paying 100% of attention to her. When she starts sniffing around, circling and sneaking off someone needs to redirect her. 4 months is still babyhood. While a few dogs do get potty trained that early the majority are between 6 and 12 months. Some telling me their 4 month old pup is housebroken is like a parent telling me their 9 month old is fully potty trained. You have got to change your expectations and your family's behavior. She is too little to be allowed free roam without constant attention. If someone can't have their eyes on her 100% then crate her or set up a play pen with baby gates that restricts the area she has. But expect potty issues for at least a couple more months if she isn't in constant contact with an attentive person (not just someone in the room with her engrossed in their program, game or computer) Punishing a dog is the fastest way to end up with a nurotic dog. |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Apr 19, 2015 23:22:16 GMT
She's too young to have free reign in your house. Get her on a poop and pee schedule. Or tether her to you with a lease and as she starts to go...take her out. Praise praise praise when she goes outside. This exactly. We crated ours when we couldn't pay *complete* attention to them when we were training them, and got them used to being on a feeding/going out/walking schedule so it was somewhat predictable when they would need to go. Praise is huge, all they want is to make you happy. The crate should be their den, their safe place and somewhere they want to go. I also agree with taking the dog to the SAME door to go out, it reinforces why they are going out in the first place. |
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Post by gmcwife1 on Apr 19, 2015 23:43:09 GMT
I wouldn't use it as punishment. We used the crate to help potty train. We didn't punish for accidents in the house-just lots of praise when they went outside to reinforce correct behavior. This is how we do it too. For me if I use tne crate as punishment I wouldn't expect them to see it as their safe place much longer. |
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Post by Patter on Apr 20, 2015 10:26:34 GMT
As everyone has said--do not punish. When our 8 week old pup came home, I took him out literally every hour, and he learned to use the bell within 2 days of being home. We have used Poochie Bells with our last 4-5 dogs or so. They are awesome. Anyway, he is now 3 months old, and may have an accident once a week if that. I know his schedule, and he always goes after he eats, when he gets up from a nap, etc. I take him at those times whether he rings the bell or not. His crate should be his safe place. Our guy eats in his crate, sleeps in his crate, and is put in there when we cannot supervise him.
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Apr 20, 2015 12:59:56 GMT
We have a 10mth old puppy. He has been AWESOME to train. Seriously, the best dog I've ever had. When I brought him home, I had a pen set up in my kitchen with a bed, a pee pad, and water. When I couldn't have my eyes on him 100%, he was in there. If he had to eliminate, he did so on the pee pad. Then I started bringing him outside. Every time he peed/pooped outside it was BIG praise and a small treat. Soon he wouldn't use the pee pads at all, only wanted to go outside (used the same door every time). Once that happened, I broke down the pen and his crate (where he slept at night - he never liked it) and he's been good every since. We've had 2 accidents since giving him free reign of the house in January and both were because we didn't pay attention to potty cues. And after both incidents, it was back to being tethered to one of us to make sure there wasn't regression in the potty behavior.
Dakota, if he needs to go out, will do one of two things: sit by the door or he'll make noise and tell us.
Gotta be patient with puppies. I'd tether the dog to you and get him going out more frequently to see if you can stop the behavior. The other tip is make sure you clean where he went with an odor eliminator so he doesn't keep going to that spot.
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Post by gajitldy on Apr 20, 2015 13:19:17 GMT
Way too young to expect to be fully potty trained.
Diane
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Post by khaleesi on Apr 20, 2015 13:38:08 GMT
I never crated as a punishment. Their crates are their safe places and when we were potty training and there was a mess inside they were never yelled at or put in their crate. We would just calmly take them outside and then would clean it up. When they did their business outside it was a huge praise party with lots of praise and treats.
For anything not related to potty training, such as chewing up a shoe, they were never punished and put in their crate because I wasn't going to climb in their crate if I was the one that left the item out or in their line of sight! Instead, the item was removed and they were given an appropriate item to chew on.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 13:41:31 GMT
The crate for us was a safe haven. He would run in there for time out from us. There were 4 adults and one 4 year old Poor dog was over loved. He was potty trained in a couple of days but that is normal for standard poodles. They are very private and need to go outside to do their business right off the bat. Don't know about other breeds.
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Take her to the SAME door every time...hang a bell on it. My Abbey dog peed in the house ONCE (and she's 11) and it was all my fault. She was running around playing with my nephew for about 10 minutes and I ignored her "i gotta pee" dance...LOL. 
