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Post by finaledition on May 9, 2015 16:14:12 GMT
There will be spoilers...you have been warned.
Not sure who has yet watched The Search, but wanted to get a thread going since we are so quickly getting not only to "that" part, but also the end.
Beautiful episode, the sweeping scenery was stunning. And Claire and Jenny together- would not want to cross them. The part between Murtaugh and Claire was so poignant, the way her voice cracked...she's brilliant. I'm not sure how I felt about the Boogie Woogie part. I think I was expecting a higher intensity by this part of the season, I wanted more urgency translated onscreen. Overall I did like the episode.
Having said that, it seems like they will need to cover about 20% of the book in the last 2 episodes. I'm going to reread that last part this week so I'm more refreshed on some of the details. I'm having a hard time seeing how they are going get through it all, but hoping that while we know the brutality of Wentworth will be featured, maybe they won't dwell on it???
Episode 15 is called Wentworth Prison
Episode 16 is To Ransom A Man's Soul.
On Wikipedia is shows episode 15 airing on May 16 and episode 16 on May 30. I don't know this is accurate, but curious about the one week break.
Also, I've seen it twice that season 2 won't be returning until 2016, which made the last break seem short by comparison. But I am at least hoping that season 1 ends where it does in the book and not a forced cliffhanger.
So, your turn-thoughts on The Search and the remaining episodes...
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Post by cindyupnorth on May 9, 2015 17:08:06 GMT
I haven't watched yet, but I'm thinking with the names of the final episodes that it ends with Jamie still there, and Clare going in to get him out. Don't ya think?
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Post by finaledition on May 9, 2015 20:18:53 GMT
I had to go look. Chapter 34 is Wentworth and 39 is To Ransom a Man's Soul. And 41 chapters total. So hopefully Wentworth will just be that one episode.
Isn't Dragonfly in Amber even longer than Outlander.?They haven't confirmed how many episodes season 2 will have, it's only been stated that STRZ renewed it for "at least 13 more episodes". They can't have any carry over from this book if they may have less episodes.
The Outlander book ends in a good place, I hope the show ends there as well
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Post by Kymberlee on May 9, 2015 20:58:03 GMT
I can't imagine there is going to be any carry over. I'm rereading the last few chapters right now, and I can see how they will be able to tie it all up in a few more episodes. The time at the Abby is pretty slow and uneventful in the book so I think they will be able to condense that pretty well. I haven't seen this weeks episode yet. I'm looking forward to it.
Regarding Wentworth, Jamie has quite a few flashbacks as he tells Claire about it. We don't read about it as it is happening. It is retold in flashbacks to Claire so maybe that is how they will portray it in the show? Or they shove all the terrible stuff in one epi so we can move on to the healing and relationship with Claire at the Abby? I think it will be interesting. In an interview with Ron Moore and DG, they do say that the Wentworth episode is pretty terrible but both Tobias and Sam are brilliant.
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Post by dazeepetals on May 12, 2015 23:01:16 GMT
I had to go look. Chapter 34 is Wentworth and 39 is To Ransom a Man's Soul. And 41 chapters total. So hopefully Wentworth will just be that one episode. Isn't Dragonfly in Amber even longer than Outlander.?They haven't confirmed how many episodes season 2 will have, it's only been stated that STRZ renewed it for "at least 13 more episodes". They can't have any carry over from this book if they may have less episodes. The Outlander book ends in a good place, I hope the show ends there as well I have a feeling they will actually end the book in the first Chapter of DIA. Based on this year and their LOVE for cliffhangers (which I despise) I can totally see them doing this. And I really dislike the deceptive marketing they have. It's like they don't trust us loyal watchers to come back each week and watch each episode, so they have to make us think they are making this HUGE change from the book so we will come back, when in facts it's nothing. |
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Post by Scrapbrat on May 13, 2015 0:48:03 GMT
I believe that Sam hinted in an interview that there would be some sort of cliffhanger or ambiguous ending. That's probably just something that makes sense for TV -- lots of watchers haven't read the books, remember.
Season 2 is supposed to air spring 2016. Considering that they just last week started shooting, and that the producer has said it takes 10 months to shoot, that makes sense.
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Post by genny on May 13, 2015 1:11:11 GMT
I'm sure I will survive the wait somehow, but damn that's a long time! I thought this episode was very good. I seem to feel more tension between Jenny and Claire in the show than I felt in the book. Maybe I'm crazy, but I seem to remember Jenny becoming friendly to Claire a little more early on. That said, I do think they picked a great actress for Jenny. I felt like "The Watch" deviated more from the book than any episode so far, but I don't fault them for it. It was a good story line and made sense; I do realize they have to make some changes to condense things a little more for TV. I can't wait for next week's episode and am dreading it all at the same time. I really do love the series and think they have done a fabulous job all the way around. I didn't like Sam as Jamie at first when they first showed who would be playing him - he didn't seem tall and imposing enough - but one episode in and I was HOOKED. He is perfect. I've just lent Outlander to a friend who hasn't read them yet and now I want it back so I can read the ending again before these last two episodes LOL. Ill probably reread the whole series this summer, I think I've read them 4 or 5 times now, can't remember anymore.  |
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Post by Kymberlee on May 13, 2015 1:17:34 GMT
Spring 2016??? OMG! When I heard 2016, I was hoping it would air in January. Damn it to hell.  I agree with dazeepetals; the cliffhangers are getting annoying especially the one from Lallybroch to The Watch. Dumb, dumb, dumb and so not necessary. So, what did you guys think of The Search? I kinda liked it even if it was a little silly. I would have preferred much more of that tall red headed Scot, but it was a fun episode. I know the Scot and the Sassenach podcast tore it to shreds, but I was OK with it. Ron Moore actually said it was one of his favorite episodes. I think we need a little bit of light heartedness to get ready for next week. |
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Post by finaledition on May 13, 2015 1:27:34 GMT
So I went and reread the last third of the book and thought I had a good idea of how it would be paced. And I agree with the poster above-115 will be horrible, but I think the scenes will play out in flashback in episode 116 and that is going to be the stuff of nightmares. And then I read this-ruh ro, this does not make me comfortable with what we are about to see. m.eonline.com/news/656014/warning-to-outlander-fans-you-have-no-idea-what-you-are-in-for |
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Post by finaledition on May 13, 2015 1:38:37 GMT
Spring 2016??? OMG! When I heard 2016, I was hoping it would air in January. Damn it to hell. I agree with dazeepetals; the cliffhangers are getting annoying especially the one from Lallybroch to The Watch. Dumb, dumb, dumb and so not necessary. So, what did you guys think of The Search? I kinda liked it even if it was a little silly. I would have preferred much more of that tall red headed Scot, but it was a fun episode. I know the Scot and the Sassenach podcast tore it to shreds, but I was OK with it. Ron Moore actually said it was one of his favorite episodes. I think we need a little bit of light heartedness to get ready for next week. Kymberlee- I've now seen The Search 3 times and the first third and last third are superb. The middle part has grown on me more each time I watched it (and having reread that part of the book). I thought that TSatS made a good point that if that song had been referenced in a conversation between Jamie and Claire it would have made more sense. (I love re watching the show after listening to those podcasts and picking up thing I didn't notice before). I haven't heard any date regarding the return of season 2-just 2016. They had not finished filming when it aired in August so I don't think finishing season two is a contingency to it airing. I did read that 7!episodes have already been written. |
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Post by Kymberlee on May 13, 2015 1:48:58 GMT
finaledition, I completely agree with TSandTS when they were talkng about the song. That would have tied it together nicely. I also agree on the points they were making about this episode not really being "in character" but I still enjoyed the episode. I was getting angry at the podcast about half way through for ruining the episode for me. Just kidding...they did make excellent points. I'm glad I can just watch the show for the entertainment and I don't have to worry any perceived weakness in the story. I was surprised when RM said this was one of his fave episode of the series so far. ETA: I will rematch the show tomorrow to catch all the stuff I missed. I usypually watch it twice before the next show. I'm saving the third viewing during the next who knows how long when I need a fix. I absolutely love this show.
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Post by cindyupnorth on May 13, 2015 1:55:15 GMT
Yikes,what final edition posted!!
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Post by momx1 on May 13, 2015 1:55:35 GMT
I've been wondering if I would be able to watch the unspeakable torture scenes, after reading that article, I'm thinking no. For me reading and actually SEEING are two seperate things.
But, I do want to see the "beautiful" scene he talks about so I guess I'll just hide behind a pillow and have hubby tell me when the torture scenes are over. Cowardly, I know.
From the article it sounds like the worst scenes will be in the episode "To Ransom A Man's Soul." So we get the iunspeakable ugly scenes and then an amazingly, beautiful scene. I think that's a wise choice, if we had the torture scenes and then a week break I think we would lose some of the non-book viewers.
Kymberlee, glad to know someone else doesn't always agree with the Scot and the Sassenach. I enjoy their analysis most of the time, but sometimes I just don't see it their way.
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Post by dazeepetals on May 13, 2015 1:57:09 GMT
Spring 2016??? OMG! When I heard 2016, I was hoping it would air in January. Damn it to hell. I agree with dazeepetals; the cliffhangers are getting annoying especially the one from Lallybroch to The Watch. Dumb, dumb, dumb and so not necessary. So, what did you guys think of The Search? I kinda liked it even if it was a little silly. I would have preferred much more of that tall red headed Scot, but it was a fun episode. I know the Scot and the Sassenach podcast tore it to shreds, but I was OK with it. Ron Moore actually said it was one of his favorite episodes. I think we need a little bit of light heartedness to get ready for next week. While I like The Search, it wasn't my favorite either. The could have easily taken out a good 10 minutes of the whole traveling entertainment/healer part so that they could have given more time to the first 3 episodes which FLEW by at such a rapid pace. I did kinda agree with some of the stuff that TSatS mentioned about problems with the story. I mean, why haven't they completed the Duke of Sandringham's petition? I think the problem is that we have some exceptional writers such as Anne Kenney and Toni Graphia, who did The Wedding and The Devil's Mark (my two favorite episodes so far) and they set the bar extremely high. I hated the cliffhanger from Lallybroch to the Watch also. I also HATED the deceptive part about Claire telling Mrs. Fitz about her being from the future. Do you think next week's episode will be in Jamie's POV? |
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Post by Kymberlee on May 13, 2015 2:10:12 GMT
Hmmm, I hadn't thought about it from Jamie's POV. If they stick to the book than no, I think it will be retold to Claire and in flashbacks while they are at the Abby. Maybe they might use Jamie's POV during the dark scenes with JR. it will be interesting to watch. Unpleasant, but I'm looking forward to it. Does that make me a sicko?   |
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Post by dazeepetals on May 13, 2015 2:17:19 GMT
No it doesn't While I'm definitely nervous about what's to come, I've been waiting for this moment all season. I keep telling my DH that something big is coming. After we watched last weeks episode I told him to be prepared for next week. I don't think he has any idea. I'm just excited to see who they have cast for DIA. So many good characters next season..... |
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Post by Kymberlee on May 13, 2015 2:22:45 GMT
The costumes are going to be phenomenal next season. I have been listening to DIA on my long runs so the story is still fresh in my head. That is one long ass book. Thank goodness I run like a turtle. It's going to be a loooong wait unfortunately. |
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Post by finaledition on May 13, 2015 2:50:56 GMT
No it doesn't While I'm definitely nervous about what's to come, I've been waiting for this moment all season. I keep telling my DH that something big is coming. After we watched last weeks episode I told him to be prepared for next week. I don't think he has any idea. I'm just excited to see who they have cast for DIA. So many good characters next season..... First new cast member revealed. Meet Bouton  |
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Post by Scrapbrat on May 13, 2015 12:59:20 GMT
Spring 2016??? OMG! When I heard 2016, I was hoping it would air in January. Damn it to hell. I agree with dazeepetals; the cliffhangers are getting annoying especially the one from Lallybroch to The Watch. Dumb, dumb, dumb and so not necessary. So, what did you guys think of The Search? I kinda liked it even if it was a little silly. I would have preferred much more of that tall red headed Scot, but it was a fun episode. I know the Scot and the Sassenach podcast tore it to shreds, but I was OK with it. Ron Moore actually said it was one of his favorite episodes. I think we need a little bit of light heartedness to get ready for next week. Kymberlee- I've now seen The Search 3 times and the first third and last third are superb. The middle part has grown on me more each time I watched it (and having reread that part of the book). I thought that TSatS made a good point that if that song had been referenced in a conversation between Jamie and Claire it would have made more sense. (I love re watching the show after listening to those podcasts and picking up thing I didn't notice before). I haven't heard any date regarding the return of season 2-just 2016. They had not finished filming when it aired in August so I don't think finishing season two is a contingency to it airing. I did read that 7!episodes have already been written. No, I don't think they necessarily have to finish filming or editing, either. But the spring 2016 date has been mentioned by the producers, and Starz recently held a promotion about a trip to see the premiere of season two, and the date given was spring 2016. Also, if you listen to the podcasts, they frequently don't finish an episode even when it's finished. What I mean is, they realize later, in post production, that they never got this scene or that scene, and they have to go back and capture those, which is done after all other filming is done. The shot of Claire and Geillis being taken away in the police wagon was apparently the very last bit that was filmed for the entire first season.
I thought last week's episode was okay, and I understood why it was less dramatic -- a break before the big finale episodes. I actually loved The Watch, and thought it was a pretty great addition and fit in well with the plot as written. In the book, there is all that nice, gentle downtime at Lallybroch, which I think is ok when you're reading, but maybe wouldn't be as great for a TV series. I also loved the character of McQuarrie and noticed tat he hadn't been killed, so I'm kinnda hoping he'll show up again later.
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Post by Kymberlee on May 13, 2015 18:36:19 GMT
Ahhhhh, Bouton! I think that is his name?? He looks just like I pictured him. So funny!
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Post by birukitty on May 13, 2015 21:44:56 GMT
I'm getting to this late and feeling a bit lost. I've read the entire series of books which I absolutely adored. And I just read them this year once I saw the previews for the Starz series and realized what the series was about-yeah, silly me!
Anyway, about this last episode-and it's been awhile since I read the first book-that whole part about Clare going around singing with Murtaugh wasn't in the book at all, was it? I certainly don't remember it at all, so I'm wondering if anyone knows why they decided to go in that direction instead of following the book? I think I remember in the book (and like I said it's been quite a few pages since I read the first one) something about the snow and Clare fighting off wolves outside of the prison. Did they decide not to go with the wolves scene because of the danger or they didn't want to use CGI or am I completely wrong in my remembering of the events?
Personally I didn't like this episode very much at all-in fact this was my least liked episode so far. All in all I love this show and I am very grateful that Starz and everyone involved with this show is making this film series of my very favorite books. Everything else so far is absolutely wonderful.
Oh and if someone can post some links to those podcasts or other sites with information about the show I'd really appreciate it. Thanks so very much.
Debbie in MD.
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Post by susans sister on May 13, 2015 22:19:00 GMT
What is TS andts?
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Post by finaledition on May 13, 2015 22:37:34 GMT
I'm getting to this late and feeling a bit lost. I've read the entire series of books which I absolutely adored. And I just read them this year once I saw the previews for the Starz series and realized what the series was about-yeah, silly me! Anyway, about this last episode-and it's been awhile since I read the first book-that whole part about Clare going around singing with Murtaugh wasn't in the book at all, was it? I certainly don't remember it at all, so I'm wondering if anyone knows why they decided to go in that direction instead of following the book? I think I remember in the book (and like I said it's been quite a few pages since I read the first one) something about the snow and Clare fighting off wolves outside of the prison. Did they decide not to go with the wolves scene because of the danger or they didn't want to use CGI or am I completely wrong in my remembering of the events? Personally I didn't like this episode very much at all-in fact this was my least liked episode so far. All in all I love this show and I am very grateful that Starz and everyone involved with this show is making this film series of my very favorite books. Everything else so far is absolutely wonderful. Oh and if someone can post some links to those podcasts or other sites with information about the show I'd really appreciate it. Thanks so very much. Debbie in MD. Debbie-the wolf scene is AFTER Wentworth, just before the rescue. As for the other scene, it's not too far off base from the book. Starts at chapter 34. Murtagh tells Claire that he needs to find them. Starts off with her being a healer. Said Murtagh taught her songs as they went place to place. And they did sing in a tavern. He also suggested she do fortune telling. So all the components are thee from the book. It was maybe 8 pages in the books tops-with a good 20 minutes of onscreen time it seemed a bit skewed bi would have much preferred more time at Lallybroch. And for as much as I didn't care for that song in that episode, I can't get that tune out of my head. Lol. Podcasts-search Outlander Ronald Moore (he's the producer and gives some thought process to the making of that specific episode. TSatS stand for the Scot and the Sassenach. Kymberlee mentioned those awhile and I'm hooked on that one as well. My friends hates the wife, so different strokes and all that. |
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Post by birukitty on May 14, 2015 20:34:33 GMT
Thanks so much Finaleedition for setting me straight. I knew I didn't remember Clare and Murtaugh "touring" and singing that "Bugle Boy" song  I do remember her being a healer very well, and singing in a tavern makes much more sense in my memory as well. Thanks also for clarifying my memory about the wolf attack-between Menopause brain and reading all of the books I've gotten a few things mixed up in what order they happened in Thanks also for leading me towards the podcasts. Those look very interesting to check out, and I really appreciate it. And the newest cast member? That wonderful dear dog of Mother Hildegarde's? I can't remember how to spell his name. But he doesn't look anything like I thought he'd look like.I pictured him as a soft grey terrier like a Cairn Terrier. They are one of the oldest terriers that are indigenous to the Isle of Skye in Scotland. The best know one is of course Toto in "The Wizard of Oz". The Cairn terrier was developed over centuries in the highlands of northwest Scotland. Today I looked in my "Legacy of the Dog" book for a terrier that looked like one that I had in my mind from my reading of the books, and this one not only fit my memory the best, but also came from Scotland. They come in all colors except white, but soft grey is what I always had in my mind. Does he look like any of you had pictured who've read the books? What did you have in mind? Debbie in MD. |
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Post by Scrapbrat on May 15, 2015 11:37:15 GMT
The singing and dancing was definitely in the book except that it was Murtaugh who did both. Claire did healing and fortune telling. The actress who plays Claire often sang between takes on set, so they decided to have her do the song. That exact song wasn't in the book. I think that they spent so much time on the Murtaugh and Claire part in order to show time passing. They are "on the road" for almost a month before the scene with Dougal in the cave, so I think you were supposed to get a sense of time passing. Also, both the writer and RDM said that episode was intended, in part, to be a bit of a breather before the heavy, intense stuff to come in the next two episodes. I actually thought this episode kept more closely to the book than almost any one so far.
I pictured Bouton for some reason as a small white dog, but I perfectly happy with the little cutie that was actually cast.
Also, there isn't going to be any wolf scene. RDM has explicitly said so. Doing it with CGI would cost too much, and if they used real animals at all there are all kinds of restrictions and so forth that they would have to deal with. Although interesting to read, I did not feel that the wolf scene moved the story forward in any significant way, so I think it's fine that they are cutting that.
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Post by Kymberlee on May 15, 2015 11:52:43 GMT
I really didn't like the wolf scene in the book. It seemed just a huge pile on of suck for Claire that was just stretching reality a little too much for my taste. I know we are dealing with time travel and other bits of non reality but come on.... Really? Like she needed more bad stuff to be piled on to her at that point. I'm glad they are leaving it out of the show. In reference to the TS&TS podcast. They were sorta piling on about Claire not being the one to kill the British officer in The Search. They (Lani and whatever his name is) thought she should have been the one to kill the officer to show she was ready to "do anything for love." I thought about it, and I think the writers did the correct thing. Claire isnt ready to kill anyone yet. This becomes obvious in the next episode when she runs into the young British soldier. I think it shows her desperation and her level of understanding of doing what needs to be done and there is no room for sentiment in her new world. It shows growth as a character if that makes sense. Maybe "growth" isnt the right word, but it is the only one I can think of this early. |
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Post by cindyupnorth on May 15, 2015 17:53:07 GMT
See, I remember it completely different! The wolf scene is important. Showing her act of desperation, and survival, and isn't this really how she drags herself out of the "pit'??! to me it means missing out on alot!and isn't that scene replayed in her mind several times as it affected her so much?!
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Post by finaledition on May 15, 2015 22:44:20 GMT
I wouldn't say the wolf scene was one of my favorites, but it seemed to me there was a lot of symbolism involved in that scene I thought it was important in the book, but can see it unnecessary in the adaptation.
I'm going to be watching tonight. I'd normally say woot woot, but doesn't seem like an episode in need of a celebratory woot.
I'll post vague thoughts on it so as not to spoil it for the rest of you.
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Post by nitad on May 15, 2015 23:01:25 GMT
I am in Canada and it doesn't air until Sunday night here (at least where I am). I am not going near a computer until I have watched the episode! Well, watched as much as I can peeking out between the cracks of my fingers covering my eyes! ShowCase ,the station that airs it here, has commercials which normally drives me crazy but I'm thinking the breaks might be a good thing this time....give me time to actually breathe!
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Post by finaledition on May 16, 2015 5:45:31 GMT
Sooo.... I've watched the flogging episodes multiple times and cannot bring myself not to put my hands over my eyes. I just cannot watch it.
Wentworth-wow wow wow, super intense, incredible performances. Many scenes straight from the book. So IMO it was a great adaptation.
As for the brutality of the episode, like I said intense, but only one time did I cover my eyes and that was very brief.
I'm not going to say more than that at this point, but for those of you who wondered if you could handle the episode, I would say yes.
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I agree with 
I do remember her being a healer very well, and singing in a tavern makes much more sense in my memory as well. Thanks also for clarifying my memory about the wolf attack-between Menopause brain and reading all of the books I've gotten a few things mixed up in what order they happened in 