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Post by Woobster on May 15, 2015 21:37:06 GMT
I won't argue with the death penalty. I'm not jumping for joy, because honestly, I think the worse punishment is to have to sit in a superman prison for the next 60-70 years. But the jury decided on the death penalty and I'm ok with that.
I kind of wish we could use these monsters for medical/chemical testing instead of innocent animals.
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Post by mallie on May 15, 2015 21:40:01 GMT
I have no problems with the verdict. The punishment suits the crime. It's only too bad he cannot die as many deaths as he caused that day.
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Post by susans sister on May 15, 2015 21:45:33 GMT
The man who murdered my dear friend in 1990 is still living on death row. In North Carolina that means less freedom than other prisoners. I hope he is miserable. He killed four women with his bare hands with no apparent motive.
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Post by mollycoddle on May 15, 2015 21:48:00 GMT
I have such mixed feelings. I am fundamentally anti-DP but I have a real hard time being broken up inside about this guy getting the chair. I felt the same way about McVeigh. I guess my principle is subject to challenge on this one. I feel the same way...at very end of the day, I am anti-death penalty. But that sentiment is sorely challenged when faced with some of evil that I see. I won't rejoice in his death sentence, but I won't be protesting and rallying against it either. It is a personal conundrum for sure. I feel the same way.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 21:53:52 GMT
I've become a lot more ambivalent with my views on the death penalty in the past decade or so, but in some cases, I absolutely believe in an eye for an eye. And executions in this country are currently carried out in far more humane ways* than the victims got.
I do hate that any money has to spent on mandatory appeals in cases like this one, though. But since making the determination on who gets to appeal and who doesn't would be way too subjective, I'm much more satisfied with this outcome than any other scenario.
*(I don't think any states still use the electric chair, but I could be wrong)
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Post by sudie on May 15, 2015 21:56:10 GMT
I'll say it and nobody has to agree, that's fine. He got the death penalty. As far as I'm concerned they should have taken that little bastard out in the courthouse parking lot and blown his ass sky high. No years of appeals, no protecting him from other inmates, no taxpayer money keeping him in jail. What he did was atrocious pre-meditated murder. He has no place in a society that he hates so much that he is willing to kill or harm as many people as an exploding pressure cooker will reach. He is guilty and he needs to feel that justice now. I totally agree with you. My only problem with him getting the death penalty, other than the long drawn out appeals process, is that he will be seen as a martyr.
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Post by Scrapper100 on May 15, 2015 22:43:56 GMT
I'll say it and nobody has to agree, that's fine. He got the death penalty. As far as I'm concerned they should have taken that little bastard out in the courthouse parking lot and blown his ass sky high. No years of appeals, no protecting him from other inmates, no taxpayer money keeping him in jail. What he did was atrocious pre-meditated murder. He has no place in a society that he hates so much that he is willing to kill or harm as many people as an exploding pressure cooker will reach. He is guilty and he needs to feel that justice now. I totally agree with you. My only problem with him getting the death penalty, other than the long drawn out appeals process, is that he will be seen as a martyr. That is my thought to, the idea of him being made into more of a hero because he is put to death. Didn't he basically write a confession on the boat he was hiding in. If so I am confused he admitted guilt and still the trial then more appeals. I hate the idea of putting the families through more pain. I so wish he could just be put in the general popation and whatever happens happens but I would hope they would make it last a while. So many people were hurt by his actions. So many lost so much. So many people are still suffering those with lost limbs and such. Having to live in solitary depending on the conditions sounds good to except for all the money we as taxpayers would be paying out. Not being able to talk to anyone at all would be torture.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 22:47:36 GMT
On the whole hero thing, maybe I'm being naive, but I just think that anyone who'd regard him as a hero was already thinking that way. I just don't see him getting the death penalty suddenly convincing more extremists that he's a hero. He didn't die carrying out his plan, he's getting justice. The fanatics probably don't feel this way I guess, but he's dying at someone else's hands and not his own, so I don't see why they'd martyr him. Then again, only a fellow fanatic would understand their thinking anyway
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Post by hop2 on May 15, 2015 23:12:34 GMT
I have no issue with the verdict in this case. I'm normally not really pro death penalty. It's not that I am strongly opposed, except for the fact that a large portion of the time there isn't irrefutable evidence and they sometimes have the wrong person. The 'justice system' doesn't always work for everyone and I'm opposed to executing the wrong people, innocent people. Usually people who can't afford high priced legal teams.
In this case I think they have enough photographic evidence of him just about planting one of the bombs that I'm not going to loose sleep over this verdict.
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Post by blondiec47 on May 16, 2015 1:11:13 GMT
I have such mixed feelings. I am fundamentally anti-DP but I have a real hard time being broken up inside about this guy getting the chair. I felt the same way about McVeigh. I guess my principle is subject to challenge on this one. I'm right there with you. This is exactly how I feel. Thanks for putting it into words
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Post by cherrie on May 16, 2015 1:15:14 GMT
Lethal injection is too easy for him considering the suffering his victims are going through!
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Post by christine58 on May 16, 2015 2:08:38 GMT
You could be right. But in that event, solitary for years on end is a hell unto itself. Where would he go to prison??
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Post by Pahina722 on May 16, 2015 2:11:00 GMT
Good. I just wish that he didn't get to sit on death row for 10 years as I don't think it will do anything to convince him that he was wrong, so why waste taxpayer money on keeping him alive and filing appeals.
Unlike many, I don't believe in the inherent sanctity of all life. The serial killers, the psychopaths who kill without remorse, the serial rapists and child abusers . . . What value do they have? Why spend our resources housing them in (relative) comfort when we could be using the money were spending on them to care for our homeless, our children, our veterans?
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Post by SweetieBsMom on May 16, 2015 3:21:12 GMT
But at least he's in prison during that time. And I'm sure his time in prison is going to be hell from the other inmates. I'm pretty sure that death row inmates are held in virtual solitary, especially in the supermax prison he's going to. He's not going to the supermax in Colorodo. He's going to death row in Indiana.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 3:56:24 GMT
I do not believe in the death penalty for anyone. For a society to say it's wrong to murder and then murders someone as punishment is very hypocritical to me. JMHO. I believe in an eye for an eye. Unfortunately he only has two eyes.
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Post by ntsf on May 16, 2015 5:19:42 GMT
after working on alcatraz...a prison for those who needed more security than a regular prison supposedly....I don't believe in the death penalty. at all. I think we should quietly keep them locked up. forever..the system is too flawed..and it changes nothing to prevent crime.
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Post by AussieMeg on May 16, 2015 8:11:26 GMT
I think the worse punishment is to have to sit in a superman prison for the next 60-70 years.
This is one of the reasons (the main reason actually) that I am against the death penalty. IMO the death penalty is "the easy way out". But the counter argument to that is the incredibly high cost of keeping these monsters alive for another 50 or so years.
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Post by craftykitten on May 16, 2015 8:47:43 GMT
I can understand why many of you feel the way you do, and why the jury reached the decision they did. I don't support the death penalty at all. Perhaps I should just be glad that I didn't have to make any decisions in this case.
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Post by Woobster on May 17, 2015 12:07:39 GMT
One of my classmates recently reported on the cost of the death penalty vs. the cost of life imprisonment, and carrying out a death sentence (including prosecution, appeals, etc.), in most states, is actually much more expensive that leaving a convict in prison for life. I am unable to pull up the specific article he cited in his paper (the link gives me an error), but a quick google search pulled up several articles.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 13:30:58 GMT
One of my classmates recently reported on the cost of the death penalty vs. the cost of life imprisonment, and carrying out a death sentence (including prosecution, appeals, etc.), in most states, is actually much more expensive that leaving a convict in prison for life. I am unable to pull up the specific article he cited in his paper (the link gives me an error), but a quick google search pulled up several articles. Yes it is, this has been shown many times. I just can't ever justify killing someone. We are not God. Makes me so sad. But I am pro-life 100%. All life. Even those deemed unworthy.
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Post by Woobster on May 17, 2015 13:34:39 GMT
I understand you, scrappower. I may not agree with you in this instance, but I absolutely respect your beliefs.
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Post by craftsbycarolyn on May 17, 2015 14:23:51 GMT
I do not believe in the death penalty for anyone. For a society to say it's wrong to murder and then murders someone as punishment is very hypocritical to me. JMHO. I am sure you would not feel that way if your child was murdered by someone...?
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 14:51:41 GMT
I do not believe in the death penalty for anyone. For a society to say it's wrong to murder and then murders someone as punishment is very hypocritical to me. JMHO. I am sure you would not feel that way if your child was murdered by someone...? I'm not the one that said that but no I still wouldn't be for the death penalty. In any case. Ever. It goes against my most fundamental belief.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on May 17, 2015 14:52:23 GMT
I do not believe in the death penalty for anyone. For a society to say it's wrong to murder and then murders someone as punishment is very hypocritical to me. JMHO. I am sure you would not feel that way if your child was murdered by someone...? That depends on the person. I know I've read of victims' family members who, for personal belief reasons, didn't want the death penalty pursued. I'd like to say I would be like that, but you never know... Related: Sometimes, in cases where a family wanted the death penalty, but the jury disagreed, I've read family quotes about how the accused won and how the family feels violated all over again. So in the end, I wonder what effect denial of execution has on some people's grieving/healing process.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 15:22:06 GMT
I do not believe in the death penalty for anyone. For a society to say it's wrong to murder and then murders someone as punishment is very hypocritical to me. JMHO. I am sure you would not feel that way if your child was murdered by someone...? I don't know -- the Richards family wrote a very moving letter opposing the death penalty for their son's murderer before the penalty phase in this trial. So some parents still feel that way even when their child was murdered. I'm generally opposed to the death penalty, and even this case I happen to agree with the Richard family. But I also wasn't involved, but hundreds of other victims were, and not all of them agree. I defer to the victims and the jury in this case. Whatever they need to feel that justice was served.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 15:31:26 GMT
I have such mixed feelings. I am fundamentally anti-DP but I have a real hard time being broken up inside about this guy getting the chair. I felt the same way about McVeigh. I guess my principle is subject to challenge on this one. I feel the same way...at very end of the day, I am anti-death penalty. But that sentiment is sorely challenged when faced with some of evil that I see. I won't rejoice in his death sentence, but I won't be protesting and rallying against it either. It is a personal conundrum for sure. I feel this way too. I'm generally not a proponent of the death penalty but there are certain circumstances where I can't get too worked up about it. I live about 10 minutes from where the Green River Killer lived and when he was finally caught, I actually supported the death penalty in his case. He was given life though because a deal was made that he would tell the police where he hid the bodies of some missing victims. I felt that if anyone deserved the death penalty, it was him. Same with the Boston bomber. Sometimes I feel that there is no hope for rehabilitation.
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Post by its me mg on May 17, 2015 18:53:08 GMT
Death penalty is "easy" IMO - he gets a lethal injection, he gets meds to knock him out first. Why can't we put him in a room with a rice cooker bomb?! asshole.
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Post by happymomma on May 17, 2015 19:29:25 GMT
One of my classmates recently reported on the cost of the death penalty vs. the cost of life imprisonment, and carrying out a death sentence (including prosecution, appeals, etc.), in most states, is actually much more expensive that leaving a convict in prison for life. I am unable to pull up the specific article he cited in his paper (the link gives me an error), but a quick google search pulled up several articles. I remember reading long ago that it is vastly more expensive to carry out the death penalty than it is to house a prisoner for life. First off, there is the automatic appeal factor. It also costs more to house a death row inmate than a LWOP inmate. And that extended cost can go on for years. Here is one story that touches on that...http://www.nbcrightnow.com/story/15519792/what-costs-more-the-death-penalty-or-life-in-prison So, going strictly by cost, DP costs more. Now as for if it is the 'right' thing to do...My opinions have wavered on this over my lifetime. At this point, I am okay with the DP if there is no question the person actually committed the crime. Such as in this case. Or the Jodi Arias case. Or others where the defendant has confessed and there is no doubt that it is valid, backed up by physical evidence. Where I have a problem with the DP is when someone is claiming innocence and it is up to the court or jurors to decide if they actually did it. I pray I never have to decide on someone's life either way.
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Post by Sam on May 17, 2015 19:35:52 GMT
A 60 year sentence with no parole is a death sentence in most cases, just without the guilt.
I have no issue with the verdict.
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Post by littlefish on May 17, 2015 22:50:14 GMT
My dad finished the 2013 Boston Marathon 6 minutes before the bombs went off.
My mom missed being in the exact area where the bombs detonated by about 10 minutes, due to her hotel shuttle being delayed.
It took about 3 hours after the bombs went off to hear that my parents were ok. Because of the chip timing system they have, my brother and I knew my dad had finished, but we also knew that my mom planned to be at the finish waiting for him, and there was a chance they both were right there.
It was probably the scariest 3 hours of my life.
I am not anti-death penalty. I just don't like the idea of spending so much more money on this guy going through the appeals process.
I asked my dad about it. He would've chosen life without chance of parole.
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