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Post by scrapmomof2 on Jun 9, 2015 1:14:00 GMT
My DS (18) was accepted at a state school, I filled out the Fafsa forms, we didn't qualify for any money. I expected that that. So I have heard there are two different kind of loans.....parent plus or one where your child takes a loan out in his name. Where do I find out more information on this? What ind of loan did you take out? Do I just take out enough for one semester or for the whole year?
Ugh! I'm so confused!!!!!
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Post by txdancermom on Jun 9, 2015 1:18:02 GMT
Talk to the school's financial aid office, they should be able to guide you through the process.
you can also talk to your bank and see if they can help
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jun 9, 2015 1:21:45 GMT
Volt and a bunch of others are more versed in this, BUT yes, talk to the financial aide office of her college (though the ones we used were minimal help), they can steer you in the right direction. Even though you have filled out the FAFSA has the college presented you with their financial aide pkg she gets yet? you need this 1st. yes, you take out the amt of the loan for the YEAR. They submit it in 2 deposits for ea semester.
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Post by hop2 on Jun 9, 2015 1:25:23 GMT
We made DD be more proactive than that. We made her apply early to get merit scholarships. We knew we didn't qualify for need based aid. If she didn't get those she was going to the cheapest state school we have. We have to keep costs under $20,000 a year to aviod loans.
Be careful with the loans if you do take them. One of the loans we were offered required payback to begin immediately. So read the fine print.
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Post by anxiousmom on Jun 9, 2015 1:25:25 GMT
My oldest went off to school last year. He knew going in that we couldn't pay for it all, and he knew he wanted to serve, so he joined the National Guard. They pay for his tuition and books.
It still doesn't cover it all, but his dad also helps, so at this point he hasn't had to take out a loan.
My younger is in the stages of planning, and hopes to get some scholarship money as well as Pell. He plans on a state school, so hopefully his dad will do the same with him as his brother and cover what is left.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jun 9, 2015 5:10:07 GMT
I don't really know what to tell you about the type of loan to get, but I can share this with you. (We are all about learning from other people's expensive mistakes!)
We have good friends with two (now adult) kids. They didn't qualify for any financial aid for either kid. When the oldest went off to school, the parents paid for the whole year up front out of pocket. Kid went to Colorado skiing on winter break, decided it was more fun than school, never went back and didn't say a word to his parents for months! Parents lost the whole first year's tuition in one fell swoop.
Second kid went off to college. Parents took out loans with the kid's name attached semester by semester. If he performed and got at least a C average or better, they paid off the loan for that semester and took out another loan. If the kid didn't get decent grades, they would have let the loan stand and the kid could pay it back himself.
Needless to say, the second kid made good grades and graduated on time. The older kid finally did get his act together and finished school, but it took him a lot longer and cost HIM more money because the parents weren't going to pay for his foolishness.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 10:05:07 GMT
My DS (18) was accepted at a state school, I filled out the Fafsa forms, we didn't qualify for any money. I expected that that. So I have heard there are two different kind of loans.....parent plus or one where your child takes a loan out in his name. Where do I find out more information on this? What ind of loan did you take out? Do I just take out enough for one semester or for the whole year? Ugh! I'm so confused!!!!! There are a variety of loans. The best known two are the Stafford loans. These are taken out by the student: studentaid.ed.gov/sa/types/loans/subsidized-unsubsidized A loan a parent can take out is the Parent Plus loan: studentaid.ed.gov/sa/types/loans/plusThere is also the perkins loan studentaid.ed.gov/sa/types/loans/perkins Not all schools offer a perkins loan. The financial aid office at his chose school should be able to assist him in understanding the different sources of financial aid. Even if he didn't qualify for a grant like the Pell (money that doesn't have to be paid back) They can help with some of your questions on loans. I have an unsubsidized stafford. I applied for a school year and they disbursed half the funds each semester. You will apply online for the loans. I had to go through a tutorial as part of the qualification process to make sure I understood the terms of the loan.
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Post by MerryMom on Jun 9, 2015 11:33:46 GMT
I just wanted to add that even though your son or daughter may not qualify for grants, most students do receive "aid". The interest on student loans are covered by taxpayers while the student is in college, which is a form of "aid". Work-Study programs are also a form of "aid". Some of the parent loans' interest are covered by taxpayers which is another form of "aid". In addition, the college may offer scholarship money based on GPA and ACT/SAT scores. That is also a form of "aid".
Financial aid encompasses more than grants.
Talk to the financial aid office at the college, the staff is well versed in financing college education.
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Post by scrappinghappy on Jun 9, 2015 13:09:01 GMT
Another thought but too late for this year. (we also missed the boat for freshman year)
Get thee to a college financial planner. They can help you restructure your assets, all legal and above board, but make sure you understand exactly what they are telling you, so that you do qualify for need based aid. Our college financial planner cost us about $2000 the first year but has gotten us over $25000 in aid over 2 years so far so was well worth it.
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Post by scrapaddie on Jun 9, 2015 17:54:22 GMT
The college guidance counselor at my daughter school told us that paying for college just like buying a car. Nobody pays sticker price . So, in addition to the all the other advice given to you make sure you talk to the college too
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 18:11:05 GMT
I don't really know what to tell you about the type of loan to get, but I can share this with you. (We are all about learning from other people's expensive mistakes!) We have good friends with two (now adult) kids. They didn't qualify for any financial aid for either kid. When the oldest went off to school, the parents paid for the whole year up front out of pocket. Kid went to Colorado skiing on winter break, decided it was more fun than school, never went back and didn't say a word to his parents for months! Parents lost the whole first year's tuition in one fell swoop. Second kid went off to college. Parents took out loans with the kid's name attached semester by semester. If he performed and got at least a C average or better, they paid off the loan for that semester and took out another loan. If the kid didn't get decent grades, they would have let the loan stand and the kid could pay it back himself. Needless to say, the second kid made good grades and graduated on time. The older kid finally did get his act together and finished school, but it took him a lot longer and cost HIM more money because the parents weren't going to pay for his foolishness. I've heard more and more stories like the oldest kid in this post--kids dropping, failing, etc. and not telling their parents. DH and I have already decided we'll do like the second kid mentioned here. Kids do well, we'll help. If they don't, they get the bill, not us.
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Post by Judy26 on Jun 9, 2015 18:12:59 GMT
The college guidance counselor at my daughter school told us that paying for college just like buying a car. Nobody pays sticker price . So, in addition to the all the other advice given to you make sure you talk to the college too State schools, unfortunately, (At least in PA.) do have a set price that is pretty much set in stone. We have some of the highest state tuition in the nation. So if you live in PA and need to finance your own or your kid's education I recommend staking out your street corner early to make a little extra income. ( Joking ...... Sort of....)
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Post by anonrefugee on Jun 9, 2015 18:20:00 GMT
Another thought but too late for this year. (we also missed the boat for freshman year) Get thee to a college financial planner. They can help you restructure your assets, all legal and above board, but make sure you understand exactly what they are telling you, so that you do qualify for need based aid. Our college financial planner cost us about $2000 the first year but has gotten us over $25000 in aid over 2 years so far so was well worth it. Thanks, we need a new financial planner anyway. I should include this on list as I get references.
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Post by scorpeao on Jun 9, 2015 18:21:07 GMT
I only have one piece of advice...given to me by a friend $40K in debt for her dd's student loans. Don't take out the parent loan. Have your child take out the loans, and when it comes time to repay you pay them. My friend, even though her dd works for a nonprofit and qualifies for student loan forgiveness, cannot get any of the debt forgiven because they are in her name, not her dd's.
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Post by papersilly on Jun 9, 2015 18:24:33 GMT
my sister might do the parent one just in case XDH doesn't come through with all the tuition. she doesn't want my niece taking out any loans in her name. that's too much of a burden for her when her only responsibility should be going to school. I agree with her on that.
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Post by myboysnme on Jun 9, 2015 19:44:06 GMT
When my kids got their FAFSA awards, they only qualified for loans. The loans were part of what the school notified them they qualified for.
Now one son is 24 and that is the year they use only their own income, so this year he qualified for a $6000 Pell Grant.
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Post by 950nancy on Jun 9, 2015 19:52:15 GMT
I finally had to explain to my very white male child that scholarships for him in engineering are extremely limited. My dad left me $ and I put it into our state College Invest savings program. He did get two small scholarships, and I am thankful for those. I think we have enough for three/four years. Thankfully his high school was big on kids earning college credits and several of his teachers offered college credit classes. He was also able to attend the local college this year between classes. His high school paid for those. He has 27 credits before he starts his freshman year. That is like a huge scholarship in and of itself.
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Post by Basket1lady on Jun 9, 2015 20:06:57 GMT
It's probably too late for this year, but something to consider are the private colleges. DS is graduating this week and applied to 2 private and 2 public schools. He was offered no aid on it's own at the state schools, but one of the private schools offers merit based aid. Based on his test scores, grades, and classes, he is getting about $30,000 a year in merit aid. Add in the credits offered for his AP classes, and he has a nice package that made a private school much more affordable for our family than a state school.
Dual enrollment is another great way for a HS student to help pay for college. Many HS's offer it as part of the curriculum at no charge to the family. For DS, it wouldn't have helped, as his AP classes took care of many of his non-major requirements and his engineering classes were too specialized to work with the local CC. Not to mention that at our HS, the kids go off campus for those dual enrollment classes. For kids in sports or intensive after school activities, the logistics of driving back and forth 30 minutes each way just didn't work. But it's an excellent option for many.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 20:08:34 GMT
my sister might do the parent one just in case XDH doesn't come through with all the tuition. she doesn't want my niece taking out any loans in her name. that's too much of a burden for her when her only responsibility should be going to school. I agree with her on that.
It is a huge burden on students, but, nothing is stopping a parent from paying the student's loan. The upside to the loan in the student's name is the student may be eligible for later loan forgiveness based on income or job where the parent loan will never be eligible for forgiveness or adjustments. Then, if mom wants to use the ex's money to pay down the students loan she can.
Student loans only are a burden of the parents don't help pay them off.
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Post by scrapaddie on Jun 9, 2015 20:16:36 GMT
The college guidance counselor at my daughter school told us that paying for college just like buying a car. Nobody pays sticker price . So, in addition to the all the other advice given to you make sure you talk to the college too State schools, unfortunately, (At least in PA.) do have a set price that is pretty much set in stone. We have some of the highest state tuition in the nation. So if you live in PA and need to finance your own or your kid's education I recommend staking out your street corner early to make a little extra income. ( Joking ...... Sort of....) But they can offset the price with aid or grants, even work-study programs. Good luck.
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Post by mallie on Jun 9, 2015 20:24:12 GMT
State schools, unfortunately, (At least in PA.) do have a set price that is pretty much set in stone. We have some of the highest state tuition in the nation. So if you live in PA and need to finance your own or your kid's education I recommend staking out your street corner early to make a little extra income. ( Joking ...... Sort of....) But they can offset the price with aid or grants, even work-study programs. Good luck. Totally depends on the state. In this state, the price is the price. You either get need-based financial aid or you don't. There is no wiggle room with aid, grants or work study programs unless you qualify for them as part of FAFSA. Period. Depending on the campus, it is also competitive to actually obtain the work-study jobs. You have to be aggressive and get to campus early if you want to get the job that is part of your package. There are no guarantees on that either. So it's not really a guaranteed money source. In this state, also forget merit aid unless you are the valedictorian. The only other scholarships are for athletics (sports and marching band). Oh and if you want an internship as you become a junior/senior? Make sure to check on the requirements for your kid's department -- some departments (not all, but some) will not enroll you in an internship at all unless you get work study as part of your financial aid package. Don't get FA? Then no internship for you. (And that is something they do NOT tell you unless you point blank ask and pursue the question.)
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Post by Judy26 on Jun 9, 2015 20:34:44 GMT
But they can offset the price with aid or grants, even work-study programs. Good luck. Totally depends on the state. In this state, the price is the price. You either get need-based financial aid or you don't. There is no wiggle room with aid, grants or work study programs unless you qualify for them as part of FAFSA. Period. Depending on the campus, it is also competitive to actually obtain the work-study jobs. You have to be aggressive and get to campus early if you want to get the job that is part of your package. There are no guarantees on that either. So it's not really a guaranteed money source. In this state, also forget merit aid unless you are the valedictorian. The only other scholarships are for athletics (sports and marching band). Oh and if you want an internship as you become a junior/senior? Make sure to check on the requirements for your kid's department -- some departments (not all, but some) will not enroll you in an internship at all unless you get work study as part of your financial aid package. Don't get FA? Then no internship for you. (And that is something they do NOT tell you unless you point blank ask and pursue the question.) Exactly. Private schools can offer other types of aid. Public universities do not in PA. Private scholarships can be applied to your balance. As far as work study goes, just because you qualify doesn't mean there is a job available at your school. To add insult to injury, even if you graduate at the top of your class you will very likely get overlooked when applying to a state school for graduate school. Many of the spots including graduate assistantships go to out of state students. Public higher education in PA is a mess!
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Post by papersilly on Jun 9, 2015 20:37:45 GMT
my sister might do the parent one just in case XDH doesn't come through with all the tuition. she doesn't want my niece taking out any loans in her name. that's too much of a burden for her when her only responsibility should be going to school. I agree with her on that.
It is a huge burden on students, but, nothing is stopping a parent from paying the student's loan. The upside to the loan in the student's name is the student may be eligible for later loan forgiveness based on income or job where the parent loan will never be eligible for forgiveness or adjustments. Then, if mom wants to use the ex's money to pay down the students loan she can.
Student loans only are a burden of the parents don't help pay them off.
banking on the "possibility" of loan forgiveness is not an incentive for my sister to put a loan in her daughter's name. she doesn't want her daughter carrying student debt even if she will pay for it. she feels, as a parent, it is her total responsibility. while some people use student loans as their personal ATM machines, my parents didn't believe in student loans and for now, neither does my sister. of course the cost of education is higher now and she is a single parent so who knows what next year will bring. but for now she wants to maintain that philosophy for as long as she can. for our family, there is no "upside" to any student loan when cash can do the trick. again, that's our family and I realize the same doesn't apply for many other families.
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Post by scrappinghappy on Jun 9, 2015 20:45:28 GMT
It is a huge burden on students, but, nothing is stopping a parent from paying the student's loan. The upside to the loan in the student's name is the student may be eligible for later loan forgiveness based on income or job where the parent loan will never be eligible for forgiveness or adjustments. Then, if mom wants to use the ex's money to pay down the students loan she can.
Student loans only are a burden of the parents don't help pay them off.
banking on the "possibility" of loan forgiveness is not an incentive for my sister to put a loan in her daughter's name. she doesn't want her daughter carrying student debt even if she will pay for it. she feels, as a parent, it is her total responsibility. while some people use student loans as their personal ATM machines, my parents didn't believe in student loans and for now, neither does my sister. of course the cost of education is higher now and she is a single parent so who knows what next year will bring. but for now she wants to maintain that philosophy for as long as she can. for our family, there is no "upside" to any student loan when cash can do the trick. again, that's our family and I realize the same doesn't apply for many other families. Honestly, this is not smart financial planning. Do you know how the rich get richer? They make their money work for them, and the more money they can make work for them, the richer they get. A loan in your niece's name, if money is needed, is the smarter choice. And if loaned money can make more money for you than the interest you pay back, well that's how the rich get richer. No need to count on loan forgiveness. That would be the mistake here.
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Post by papersilly on Jun 9, 2015 21:10:36 GMT
And if loaned money can make more money for you than the interest you pay back, well that's how the rich get richer. No need to count on loan forgiveness. That would be the mistake here. you are absolutely correct. a lower interest rate loan works if you actually have money earning more elsewhere. but some people don't even have the repayment available, not now, not later-- they will just incur loans right and left with no thought to how they will pay it back. the danger of loans, no matter how small the interest, falls on those people. the "rich get richer" practice works for those who are responsible with money and have a clear understanding of income and debt. sadly, some people only know debt. we believe that if the education can be cash flowed as you go along, then that is what is preferable, again, in our family. should a loan ever be needed, there are loans out there. then there is also the thought that there will be enough loans later on...car loan...house loan that you don't need a student loan compounding that future debt.
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Post by threegirls on Jun 9, 2015 23:05:47 GMT
And if loaned money can make more money for you than the interest you pay back, well that's how the rich get richer. No need to count on loan forgiveness. That would be the mistake here. you are absolutely correct. a lower interest rate loan works if you actually have money earning more elsewhere. but some people don't even have the repayment available, not now, not later-- they will just incur loans right and left with no thought to how they will pay it back. the danger of loans, no matter how small the interest, falls on those people. the "rich get richer" practice works for those who are responsible with money and have a clear understanding of income and debt. sadly, some people only know debt. we believe that if the education can be cash flowed as you go along, then that is what is preferable, again, in our family. should a loan ever be needed, there are loans out there. then there is also the thought that there will be enough loans later on...car loan...house loan that you don't need a student loan compounding that future debt. Loaned money might make you more money than the interest you pay back. However, taxes on that earned money have to be considered. Honestly, it might be better to just start planning early and when the child is an infant, start a college 529 plan and/or a Coverdell Education Account (there is also the UGMA). Then you might be able to avoid or minimize student loans altogether. Sorry, I got off the original topic. Personally, I would not take a parent plus loan. I'd rather the kid stay home for a year or two and work. Bank all that money and then go to school with loans in their name (if loans are still needed).
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Post by likescarrots on Jun 10, 2015 0:16:15 GMT
I just wanted to add that even though your son or daughter may not qualify for grants, most students do receive "aid". The interest on student loans are covered by taxpayers while the student is in college, which is a form of "aid". Work-Study programs are also a form of "aid". Some of the parent loans' interest are covered by taxpayers which is another form of "aid". In addition, the college may offer scholarship money based on GPA and ACT/SAT scores. That is also a form of "aid". Financial aid encompasses more than grants. Talk to the financial aid office at the college, the staff is well versed in financing college education. Not all stafford loans are subsidized (the interest is covered while in school). I had both subsidized and unsubsidized stafford loans. It really depends on the student's (parents) financial situation.
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Post by papersilly on Jun 10, 2015 0:36:26 GMT
you are absolutely correct. a lower interest rate loan works if you actually have money earning more elsewhere. but some people don't even have the repayment available, not now, not later-- they will just incur loans right and left with no thought to how they will pay it back. the danger of loans, no matter how small the interest, falls on those people. the "rich get richer" practice works for those who are responsible with money and have a clear understanding of income and debt. sadly, some people only know debt. we believe that if the education can be cash flowed as you go along, then that is what is preferable, again, in our family. should a loan ever be needed, there are loans out there. then there is also the thought that there will be enough loans later on...car loan...house loan that you don't need a student loan compounding that future debt. Loaned money might make you more money than the interest you pay back. However, taxes on that earned money have to be considered. Honestly, it might be better to just start planning early and when the child is an infant, start a college 529 plan and/or a Coverdell Education Account (there is also the UGMA). Then you might be able to avoid or minimize student loans altogether. Sorry, I got off the original topic. Personally, I would not take a parent plus loan. I'd rather the kid stay home for a year or two and work. Bank all that money and then go to school with loans in their name (if loans are still needed). And you are very correct also. this is why my parents believed in cash flowing our educations as the best means for them. my parents invested in real estate. when it came time to put us through college and one of my siblings through law school, it was the income from those properties that cash flowed our education. no loans were ever taken out. when we graduated, we were all student debt free. in the meantime, I know people who are still paying on their student loans years after graduating. it affects what other loans they can get. loans versus no loans can be debated forever. families just have to do what works for them depending on their means and their ability to repay. it can be a slippery slope but if you do your homework, you can find the best funding solution for your family.
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Post by Basket1lady on Jun 10, 2015 1:49:23 GMT
banking on the "possibility" of loan forgiveness is not an incentive for my sister to put a loan in her daughter's name. she doesn't want her daughter carrying student debt even if she will pay for it. she feels, as a parent, it is her total responsibility. while some people use student loans as their personal ATM machines, my parents didn't believe in student loans and for now, neither does my sister. of course the cost of education is higher now and she is a single parent so who knows what next year will bring. but for now she wants to maintain that philosophy for as long as she can. for our family, there is no "upside" to any student loan when cash can do the trick. again, that's our family and I realize the same doesn't apply for many other families. Honestly, this is not smart financial planning. Do you know how the rich get richer? They make their money work for them, and the more money they can make work for them, the richer they get. A loan in your niece's name, if money is needed, is the smarter choice. And if loaned money can make more money for you than the interest you pay back, well that's how the rich get richer. No need to count on loan forgiveness. That would be the mistake here. True. The last two years of my college, when my brother entered college, I qualified for some loan or another. The interest on it was 3% and our investments were making 12%. We chose to pay the minimum on my college loan and up our investments. It took 10 years to pay off my loans, but 25 years later, that investment is a nice tidy sum. It's just a matter of crunching the numbers. My DS is off to college in the fall. We will pay cash for his tuition (after the scholarships), but we will still be putting money into our retirement account. "They" say that you should pay yourself first and not let college forgo retirement funding.
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Post by lancermom on Jun 10, 2015 2:20:11 GMT
Little Miss Lazy Pants went to a U out of state. We filled out FAFSA, but new she wouldn't get it. She said she filled out scholarships...nope. We told her first semester was on us. Did she learn second semester, nope. So I filled out paperwork loans in her name. So she moved back home to go to the local state school. It is cheaper you know. (Say that with sarcasm!). She has been told to start paying on her loans, but she isn't Miss Lazy Pants for nothing!!
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