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Post by peasapie on Jul 1, 2015 14:57:25 GMT
Is there ever a point where you think you will see them again?
My brothers are estranged from my sister and I over issues instigated by my sister-in-law and which my two brothers did nothing to stop. Lots of gossip, lies and hurtful things said by her, and they both followed along. Anyway, it's been 10 years and I know my sister and I are much happier not being in contact with SIL. We're disappointed in our brothers, of course, who don't stand up to her, but that's how life goes. The older I get, though, the more I wonder whether I'll ever see them again and whether it's worth trying to reconnect in some limited way so that we don't all die strangers.
There is a big part of me that says to leave it alone and stay content. But a little voice also reminds me that it will be sad to see them next at their wakes. Has anyone been through this?
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Post by peabrain on Jul 1, 2015 15:11:14 GMT
Your post has hit me hard this morning, as a lot of the "family" posts have this week. I would've said we had a close family until my father died last month and then it all unraveled. Some of us are not speaking and those of us that are aren't speaking about what we need to be speaking about.
I fear that as time goes on with my sister and I not speaking, that this is the end for us. We've always had a rocky relationship but this put us over the top.
I've thought maybe I should fly to her city and just show up at her door step and get this all out into the open, but I'm not sure how that would work out.
But I don't know how else to fix things.
but I guess all that to say......I know how you feel
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Post by mallie on Jul 1, 2015 15:18:30 GMT
I anticipate that after my FIL dies, my dh will probably not speak to his siblings again. (There are other family members we are in closer relationship with on his side -- aunts, uncles, and cousins.) He is not estranged from his siblings, per se, but has no emotional connection to them. At all. His one sister is a BSC-level drama queen and we avoid speaking to her now, if at all possible and he's looking forward to the day when he has no reason to maintain contact and also believes -- correctly, IMO -- that when his father dies, she is going to cause all sorts of problems over the estate that will lead to estrangement.
He simply has nothing in common with the others, who live small town lives and have no interest in us since we no longer live in that small town. We've tried to maintain relationships with them, but they are simply uninterested. One brother said that he really had no interest in people he couldn't see on a daily basis. So that's that. We both assume that we will probably never hear from them again after his father dies and that he'll just send flowers when they die.
It's sad, but in a very distant sort of way since we had decades to get used to the lack of connection after we moved away and became so much rubbish in their lives.
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Post by flopsykitty on Jul 1, 2015 15:21:27 GMT
I am, to a degree. My husband and I are estranged from his two sisters and one brother for going on 4 years now, because we refused to get involved in a family squabble that also involved the inlaws of another brother. The one brother (whose inlaws were involved) has stood by us and supported us, and kept us included in HIS immediate family (wife and two daughters). We feel we are owed an apology, which we know we are NEVER going to get, and that's okay with us. But, we are not so upset by the estrangement that we are willing to forget how they treated us and pretend it never happened. One sister has reached out to us, but my husband is not willing to let things go without a one-on-one discussion with her about how we choose to be treated (no gossip, etc.) If it's something his sister can live with and honor respectfully, we will resume contact with her. If she chooses not to respect our wishes, or we find out she has continued with the gossip or disrespectful treatment, we will walk away. I won't say it hasn't been difficult. We have 2 grand-nieces that we have never met. But being away from the drama and bad feelings has been healing for us. Yes, it will be sad if there is no reconciliation before someone passes away, but we feel since they were the ones who stopped communicating with us, it's up to them to resume contact if they want to. If it would make you feel better to reach out to your brothers, you should try. Don't to it for THEM, do it for YOU. Hugs - you are not alone.
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Post by valleyview on Jul 1, 2015 15:22:20 GMT
Family issues here too. At my father's funeral, one of my brothers kept us waiting for lunch and would not join us for dinner. We were very hurt and felt that SIL was making it about her. I wondered if I would ever see him again.
After seven years, he came to see me, and we talk occasionally. What changed? I had always known more about family illnesses. He had cancer, and was honest enough to talk to me and also our brother. Many hard feelings are still there, but there's hope for the kids who grew up together.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 1, 2015 15:29:45 GMT
hmmm... not me personally, but my BF has not spoken to his mother for about 10 years out of the 11.5 we've been together, and probably won't ever again.
It's over many things but mostly has to do with things that happened when her mother (his grandmother) died, and suspicions he has about the way the will was executed. He had asked her directly about it in the past, and she would never answer, saying it was none of his business-- he believe his grandmother would have left him something in her will (he was the only grandchild), and that his mom manipulated her into changing her will. Plus, his mom was a huge drama queen and always tried to put my BF in the middle of her physical and emotional abuse issues with her then-husband. I have a pretty decent relationship with my parents, so in a way I feel bad that he doesn't have that, but then again, he never really did with her (she's a very selfish person and always has been).
Our life was very drama-filled when his mother was in it, so while he may feel some regret at the way things turned out overall (like, general regret he didn't have a different sort of a mother), I don't think he thinks about her much, if at all. Unless she would change drastically (which won't happen in my opinion), I know he doesn't think about mending their relationship at all and probably never will. If she wanted to mend fences she knows where we are, but she hasn't, so there's that... someday when she passes away, if anything he'll feel relief, but not much else.
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Post by momto4kiddos on Jul 1, 2015 15:32:23 GMT
dh hasn't spoken to his father in over 20 years. In the rare circumstance where we are at a same event, father says nothing! Few years back for whatever reason dh decided he would invite father to breakfast so they could talk. I'm not entirely certain what he was looking to see or hear, but he walked away saying he'd changed none in the last 20 years and it was a poor me sob story. Needless to say he hasn't invited him out again.
peasapie brings up something I sometimes think about. I'd be willing to bet dh would go to his father's wake. But I find that kind of strange in the sense that if you don't care to see them while they are here, why then? Father has been hospitalized and dh will get that info through his brother if it's a serious situation and he's never chosen to go to the hospital. So would you find it strange in that case if they went to the wake? The things I ponder some days, lol.
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Post by amom23 on Jul 1, 2015 15:32:16 GMT
My brother and I only see each other about once a year. I think even that could very well stop once our mom dies. I feel a little bad, but my brother is a jerk and has ruined so many family events. My motto is just because you share DNA doesn't make you family.
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Post by anonrefugee on Jul 1, 2015 15:39:26 GMT
DH and his sister are completely, long term estranged from one sib. The fourth keeps minimal contact with the estranged one.
After 25. years of watching it I feel sorry for them. There wasn't a single incident, but a gradual separation. The separated one kept his own mother at a distance.
It's sad. I've told DH to call, make plans, we will pass they their town soon. But DH knows it will be viewed as apology for something he doesn't know about and gloating will happen.
They're all in AARP zone yet act like they're ten. Baffling.
ETA the siblings are all quite normal people- respectable even. MIL didn't like the spouse much, although she's normal too from my experience. I had enough interaction to like her, go to lunch and meet her normal friends.
I really don't get it.
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Post by scrappinghappy on Jul 1, 2015 15:41:29 GMT
I was estranged from my sister but it really bothered me. I am teaching my kids that family is everything but I am not talking to my own sister. So yes, I sat down with her, apologized (even though she was the one who caused the rift, but I had to be the bigger person) and we reconciled. Yes, things are still rocky and she continues to piss me off, but I keep it away from the kids for the most part as she is their aunt. They do see her for what she is and they are a little wary, but at least we are on talking terms.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 15:44:22 GMT
Is there ever a point where you think you will see them again?
My brothers are estranged from my sister and I over issues instigated by my sister-in-law and which my two brothers did nothing to stop. Lots of gossip, lies and hurtful things said by her, and they both followed along. Anyway, it's been 10 years and I know my sister and I are much happier not being in contact with SIL. We're disappointed in our brothers, of course, who don't stand up to her, but that's how life goes. The older I get, though, the more I wonder whether I'll ever see them again and whether it's worth trying to reconnect in some limited way so that we don't all die strangers. There is a big part of me that says to leave it alone and stay content. But a little voice also reminds me that it will be sad to see them next at their wakes. Has anyone been through this? I hope not. I'm not even sure I'll get word when my father passes away. Sad, for sure. But I haven't had a "father" in a very long time. The father I once loved died many years ago.
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Post by ten&rose on Jul 1, 2015 15:45:48 GMT
I have not seen or spoken to either of my sisters in 10 years. I did recently add one as a friend on facebook but what she sees is severely limited. I imagine the next time I could possibly see them would be at our parents' funerals, possibly our one grandfather's funeral. I don't foresee us ever forging a relationship.
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Post by meridon on Jul 1, 2015 15:50:28 GMT
I am estranged from an aunt. She's a total narcissist and I cut ties with her when my grandmother died. She was at my sister's wedding and we spoke briefly. That was four years ago and I don't plan to see her again. I won't attend her funeral when that time comes. I'm not likely to be a welcome guest there, either, so I'll spare myself the drama. When I was younger, I really tried to deal with her for the same of my mom's memory and my grandmother, but now it's just not worth it.
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Post by freebird on Jul 1, 2015 15:52:03 GMT
all those special sayings like "family is forever" makes me belly laugh. Bullshit. Family is thrust upon you, you get to pick your friends so friends tend to be more important to me. Fortunately some of my friends are also some of my family.
Having said that, I don't have TOO Much trouble with my side of the family. Every couple years my sister gets mad at one of us and doesn't talk to us for a couple years. I'm not even sure why she was mad the last time. It's happened so many times that I don't even pay much attention anymore. I love her, we grew up together, but this is on her, not me.
My husband on the other hand, he has some crazy assed relatives. There is one (very close family) that he's not spoken to in several years and will NEVER speak to again. It's a very safe bet they will never lay eyes on each other again even if that means we don't go to weddings or funerals. Let's just say, things have been said that can never ever be undone. Life is peaceful and happy and I don't see it changing anytime soon.
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Post by giatocj on Jul 1, 2015 15:58:03 GMT
I am from my middle brother. We had a pretty big fight last week about our aging mom and how her care should proceed...he sees selling her house and moving her to a facility as the first course of action, but my other brother and I think it should be the LAST course of action. She is still relatively healthy and could get by for quite a while with in-home care a couple of hours a day and arranged rides to doctor appointments. I think she is years away from having to look at selling her home.
He truly lost his freaking mind when we would not agree with him and stormed off in a massive huff. We have not spoken since, and probably won't for quite some time. It's sad because we used to be close, but the older he gets the more arrogant, selfish and unbending he's becoming.
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Jul 1, 2015 16:00:15 GMT
I was estranged from my sister for years. We were even living in the same house for part of it. When my mother passed (in 2002), we started speaking again. More for the fact to be there for my Dad. She is single and my son is her only nephew. Lately, though, I'm thinking of distancing myself from her again. She's being a royal b*tch to me and I just can't take it. Demanding that I find assisted living for Dad and I make sure there's food in his freezer and I make sure to get his finances in order. Yeah, sure, I'm working full time, have a sick husband and a son with autism. But yeah, I'll do it all since you're so busy with your job and your dog. I've come to the realization that we're just totally different people. We never got along and we'll never get along. She's such a friggin drama queen, no on could possibly be as busy as she is. I just don't have the energy to deal with her along with everything else.
Oh DH's side, his family is just a clusterf*ck. If I wasn't so tired, I'd type it all out. Needless to say, I don't rely on family, my friends have been more of my family. One of my favorite sayings: Family don't end with blood.
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Post by padresfan619 on Jul 1, 2015 16:04:16 GMT
My dad is estranged from most of his side of the family. I have never met several people on that side of the family and haven't seen my uncle since I was about 3 years old. It has not made any sort of impact on my life and if I were to come across one of them on the street I probably wouldn't know who they were. I am closer to my friends who I have chosen to be my family than people I share a bloodline with.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 16:12:15 GMT
I'm not yet but I will be after my dad dies. My older brother has already tried to get my mom to sign over some property to him, and Dad's not even gone yet! She's going to need the income from the property to take care of herself, but brother says there's no need, he'll take care of her. Uh, no. He's always been selfish and mean, and there's NO way I'd leave her at his mercy.
When he finds out he's not getting everything in the will, there's going to be fireworks. He believes he deserves it because he's the only child who has stayed in the area to "take care of Mom and Dad." No, he's the only one who stayed because he could never stand on his own two feet. His home is on my parent's land, and they've bankrolled his business for years. He'd have nothing if not for them.
I have promised my dad I will see that his wishes are carried out. My younger brother is named as executor of the estate (which older brother doesn't know) and he has made the same promise. When the time comes, it's going to be ugly.
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Post by sues on Jul 1, 2015 16:29:31 GMT
I have been estranged from my oldest brother for 34 years. I hope I never see him again. I doubt I will. He didn't show up when my parents died (he knew there was no moey in it for him)- and I can't imagine what might motivate him to contact any of us. I believe he is a sociopath. There's more wrong with him than that- but that's the core issue that estranged him from our family. My mother, sister and younger brother tried to give him a chance to redeem himself about 15 years ago- maybe more- and in pretty short order let them know he had not changed. My older brother, Dad and I didn't get involved in that and were relieved when it was all over.
I haven't had contact with my younger brother for several years (4?) due to a problem with his wife. I don't actually have a problem with him and we make small talk on the rare occasion we see each other, but it's awkward due to the problem with his wife. It was one of those situations where bad behavior and hurt feelings had simmered for many years and I pushed things aside to keep the peace. Every time I pushed things aside, it seemed to give her license to get bolder the next time. I finally said enough is enough and stepped back. No argument, no confrontation- just stepped away. She's responsible for the current situation. She owes me an apology. She knows it. She obviously doesn't feel compelled to give it. And I'm done letting things go- so there we are. Will we ever speak again? Probably. But too much time has gone by for things to return to 'normal'.
My husband has little contact with his siblings. They are scattered all over the country- but even when they weren't, we didn't have much contact with them. The couple of times a year we'd get together fell by the wayside after my MIL died. He's good with them on the rare occasion he sees them- except for one sister. There's a big problem with her and it is unlikely he will see her again. I never will, that's for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 16:34:54 GMT
I may see members of my paternal biological family if and when my brother ever gets married, but otherwise I expect I will never see or speak to them again. My biological father was abusive and his mother was a fruit cake. As an adult I cut them off after behavior they exhibited surrounding my wedding. I told them I simply wouldn't allow myself to be treated that way anymore. Nearly 10 years went by. I reached out to them to see if they were interested in reconciliation. Neither responded. I don't know that I'm sad because I never really liked them or had much relationship with them anyway, but I also don't like fracture.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 16:40:07 GMT
My brother just ripped me off for $500,000 or so. Yup knew this would happen.
When your mother tells you your children aren't her real grandchildren, there is no need to carry on a relationship.
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Post by scrapmaven on Jul 1, 2015 16:42:01 GMT
I could run into family at a major event in a few years, but I won't even say "hello". I'm so happy to be free and that means drama free. It's one of the best decisions that I could have ever made and I wouldn't change a thing.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jul 1, 2015 16:42:09 GMT
No.
I have one brother that I haven't talked to in probably 6 years and a sister that I've intentionally limited my contact with since our mom died almost 4 years ago. She is the executor of mom's estate (and STILL isn't done distributing the final assets, all of which she has in her possession and could easily do). I'm not kidding you, the MINUTE I get the rest of my stuff will likely be the last time I set eyes on her or talk to her.
My brother royally jacked us on a business deal that ended up costing us $XXXXX. I warned DH that he was a total flaker but he was showing DH his good side and DH believed all his BS so they went forward. Then brother backed out of the deal halfway through leaving us completely in the lurch and on the hook for a bunch of money. Yeah, nice. As far as I'm concerned, he's already dead to me. He also never bothered to go see our mom even one time in the last ten years of her life because he was too self absorbed to bother with a failing old woman. He's a loser.
My sister stirred up a heap of trouble in the last few years mom was alive and caused more problems than she helped solve, making what was already an emotional and stressful situation even more so. She is a self absorbed jerk, but she's so busy always playing the victim card that she doesn't realize how much of a jerk she herself is. Her husband and kids are all like that too, getting into mess after mess and then looking around for anyone else to pass blame onto.
The bottom line for me is that since we've (mostly) cut off contact with those two life has been a whole lot calmer and so much less drama, and honestly I like it better this way. I can't imagine ever voluntarily inviting that hot mess back into my life. No, thank you. Living well is the best revenge!
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Post by Native New Yorker on Jul 1, 2015 16:45:31 GMT
Yes. It will happen because that bitch keeps showing up trying to disrupt my life. Family is not everything if family doesn't enrich you/support you or make you better.
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Post by rumplesnat on Jul 1, 2015 16:50:09 GMT
Any chance of my brother ever seeing my family ever again was eliminated when he didn't attend my dad's funeral. Fu¢k him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 16:50:10 GMT
I'm estranged from my sister and have been for 10 years. It makes it a challenge to see my parents since she lives next door to them, but they usually visit me instead. I dread the next time I see her because I'm sure my family will try to coax a reconciliation. They did that last time we were there and it didn't work out.
We're also estranged from my DH's siblings. They are not nice people and I have no regret about cutting ties with them.
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Post by azredhead on Jul 1, 2015 16:57:02 GMT
yes, I do on my namesake side on my adoped dad side as well as biological. It gets long and complicated. But this weekend we had a wedding of one of my cousins on my namesake side. My sister and my SIL went with me. We decided to use the buddy system so my 'dad' couldn't corner us as he's been known to do before in years past. It's been probably 20 years or more since I've seen my cousin that got married but I was very close to her and her mom growning up. The rest of the family not so much. So I wasn't sure how it would go. She sent me message over Facebook a few months ago and asked if I could come but I knew I probably wouldn't as the space and time and I live in a different state, 'my dad drama'and being in a different place etcc... but would love to see me. So I thought I would surprise them and come. I also had a family reunion on Dh 's side that same weekend. It was crazy but it all worked out . I nearly threw up in the parking lot when we got there but once we got there and saw my aunts and some of my favorite cousins who I was very close too, it wasn't so bad and I even did talk to my 'dad' with my sister. It didn't seem like that much time had passed.We left with no strings attatched too- so that was nice too no expectations and no obligations. I have my favorite ones on face book
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Post by songbird on Jul 1, 2015 17:08:22 GMT
I haven't spoken to my grandmother in three years. There was a lot of build up over a long period of time, and I just reached my breaking point. I do want to make amends, but I know she will never make the first move nor will she ever apologize, so I need to make sure that when the time comes that I am truly prepared for that emotionally. I'm getting married in September, and she's never met my fiance. I would like for her to meet him, and I would like to make amends before I don't have the opportunity to do so any longer.
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Post by TankTop on Jul 1, 2015 17:14:36 GMT
My mother.
I would love to have a mom, but not her. She was never capable of being a mom for more than a week or so. I never plan on seeing her again. Because I don't have a relationship with her the survivng relatives on her side have cut me out. It's okay though.
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Post by bc2ca on Jul 1, 2015 17:16:51 GMT
DH and I each have a sister that we have a limited relationship with and some may see us as estranged. About 15 years ago I realized I was just done with the drama, walking on egg shells so as to not offend, trying to figure out what the heck we had done once again to offend her, etc., and just stopped making any effort to contact her except an annual Christmas card. I don't have a problem seeing her at an annual family event and have great relationships with my other siblings, their partners and kids. The estranged sister has the same relationship with our siblings as she has with me.
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