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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Jul 21, 2015 19:47:53 GMT
The Chattanooga shooter wasn't affiliated with ISIS.
He was manic-depressive with a history of drug and alcohol addiction. Keeping guns out of the hands of mentally unstable people is the solution. Not putting a gun in every person's hand.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 21, 2015 19:51:50 GMT
The Chattanooga shooter wasn't affiliated with ISIS. He was manic-depressive with a history of drug and alcohol addiction. Keeping guns out of the hands of mentally unstable people is the solution. Not putting a gun in every person's hand. isis and other organizations are telling people to target military, they don't have to be part actively affiliated with isis to carry out that program.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 21, 2015 19:52:31 GMT
As happymomma said, until now, I had no reason to know the policies, and as freecharlie said, ISIS is now telling people to take out the military. Because we've lost 5 military people as a result of this threat and policy. People that have taken an oath to defend us were not allowed to defend themselves. Because until now, we haven't been forced to have civilians defending the US Armed Forces, because our US ARMED Forces are not allowed to be armed. Yes but they actively took away their ability to carry arms. Didn't this come up in that discussion? Wasn't it considered that it would be making our military a target? It isn't like terrorism didn't exist back then. Maybe our enemies were different but it isn't like there weren't issues even then. I'm not saying don't revisit it now, I just think it is interesting when these policies are changed one way and then people swing back the other way. I don't think there was an active threat in 1992 to our military on US soil.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 19:55:46 GMT
Yes but they actively took away their ability to carry arms. Didn't this come up in that discussion? Wasn't it considered that it would be making our military a target? It isn't like terrorism didn't exist back then. Maybe our enemies were different but it isn't like there weren't issues even then. I'm not saying don't revisit it now, I just think it is interesting when these policies are changed one way and then people swing back the other way. I don't think there was an active threat in 1992 to our military on US soil.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 19:57:32 GMT
The Chattanooga shooter wasn't affiliated with ISIS. He was manic-depressive with a history of drug and alcohol addiction. Keeping guns out of the hands of mentally unstable people is the solution. Not putting a gun in every person's hand. In this case we're not talking about every person. Our Armed Forces need to be armed, especially when their life has been threatened.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 20:01:34 GMT
The Chattanooga shooter wasn't affiliated with ISIS. He was manic-depressive with a history of drug and alcohol addiction. Keeping guns out of the hands of mentally unstable people is the solution. Not putting a gun in every person's hand. NBC is reporting that the shooter downloaded recordings of radical al-Qaeda cleric al-Alwaki's sermons. He also spent time in Jordan with an uncle who has now been detained for being a radical. ISIS or not, he was under the influence of radical Islamists prior to shooting American military personnel.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 20:39:19 GMT
I guess what makes me nervous about open carry is the locations of most of these recruiting offices; mini malls with many businesses surrounding them. It isn't a base or fort, it's a shopping area. I know it would be a turn off for me to see someone (anyone) carrying and I would not patronize businesses by a recruiting office. It's just a personal preference knowing how quick my son is and how he does not understand danger. I *get* that they are military and *some* are well trained. I also know the military doesn't always help their own who have PTSD. So, it still does freak me a bit if they will be allowed to have a concealed firearm. So even though there is a target on military personnel and it is now common knowledge tgese recruiters are not armed, you are advocating for to remain defenseless because you son is quick? I think I'd rather the businesses nearby lose your business than lose more lives. I'm not advocating anything. You asked a question and I answered. I don't give a fuck if they open carry or conceal their weapons. I wouldn't frequent an area where any business or recruiting center chose to open carry. It's a non-issue.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 21, 2015 21:39:06 GMT
So even though there is a target on military personnel and it is now common knowledge tgese recruiters are not armed, you are advocating for to remain defenseless because you son is quick? I think I'd rather the businesses nearby lose your business than lose more lives. I'm not advocating anything. You asked a question and I answered. I don't give a fuck if they open carry or conceal their weapons. I wouldn't frequent an area where any business or recruiting center chose to open carry. It's a non-issue. I can respect not wanting to see the open carry. I'm not a huge fan, though I don't mind law enforcement or in uniform military.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jul 22, 2015 0:21:31 GMT
Absolutely! If anyone can be trusted with a gun, it's our soldiers. During my enlistment in the service, my experience would probably argue that point.
I'm afraid that not everyone in the military should have access to weapons. Not all jobs in the military require weapons, mine never did (civil engineering), although I did have to qualify on an M-16 once a year, but I never had to carry one.
This was exactly why I asked dh his opinion. He spent 20+ years training sailors on firearms so I figured if anyone would know whether it's a good idea he would My thinking was along the same line as yours, not all jobs/rates carry a gun or need to be proficient in gun skills. Just learning how in boot camp or when you need to qualify is much different than being skilled
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Post by cade387 on Jul 22, 2015 2:02:37 GMT
Yes but they actively took away their ability to carry arms. Didn't this come up in that discussion? Wasn't it considered that it would be making our military a target? It isn't like terrorism didn't exist back then. Maybe our enemies were different but it isn't like there weren't issues even then. I'm not saying don't revisit it now, I just think it is interesting when these policies are changed one way and then people swing back the other way. I don't think there was an active threat in 1992 to our military on US soil. Well that turned out to be pretty obtuse didn't it? We just thought we would be safe forever? Did history teach us nothing? I'm amazed that we can waste so much money on military spending and yet do nothing to actually protect the military. (As a former defense contractor I have seen this waste first hand and can speak to it)
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Post by RiverIsis on Jul 22, 2015 5:28:50 GMT
The Chattanooga shooter wasn't affiliated with ISIS. He was manic-depressive with a history of drug and alcohol addiction. Keeping guns out of the hands of mentally unstable people is the solution. Not putting a gun in every person's hand. isis and other organizations are telling people to target military, they don't have to be part actively affiliated with isis to carry out that program. Both excellent points. It would have been a lot more difficult for a mentally ill manic depressive with a drug and alcohol addiction to shoot the military if he hadn't been able to get his hands on the weapons so easily.
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Post by RiverIsis on Jul 22, 2015 5:31:12 GMT
During my enlistment in the service, my experience would probably argue that point.
I'm afraid that not everyone in the military should have access to weapons. Not all jobs in the military require weapons, mine never did (civil engineering), although I did have to qualify on an M-16 once a year, but I never had to carry one.
This was exactly why I asked dh his opinion. He spent 20+ years training sailors on firearms so I figured if anyone would know whether it's a good idea he would My thinking was along the same line as yours, not all jobs/rates carry a gun or need to be proficient in gun skills. Just learning how in boot camp or when you need to qualify is much different than being skilled And being skilled to shoot it doesn't make a person (even military) competent to carry a firearm day to day without issue.
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Post by RiverIsis on Jul 22, 2015 5:33:24 GMT
I don't think there was an active threat in 1992 to our military on US soil. Well that turned out to be pretty obtuse didn't it? We just thought we would be safe forever? Did history teach us nothing? I'm amazed that we can waste so much money on military spending and yet do nothing to actually protect the military. (As a former defense contractor I have seen this waste first hand and can speak to it) Too much money going to defence contractor CEOs/investors and not enough for on the ground security. Surprised no one has blamed Hillary for this.
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Post by PEArfect on Jul 22, 2015 5:53:15 GMT
Yes, they have the right to defend themselves.
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