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Post by freecharlie on Jul 17, 2015 23:50:16 GMT
I understand the background of the law. It is federally based, but I wonder since isis is encouraging attacks on military installations and personnel, shouldn't we give the people a way to defend themselves?
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Post by pamela on Jul 17, 2015 23:55:09 GMT
YES!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 23:57:50 GMT
Since it seems like recruiters are more easily accessible, than trying to get on base and military has specifically been threatened, I say yes.
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Post by Judy26 on Jul 17, 2015 23:57:59 GMT
Yes, and it makes me sad to be answering this way.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 23:58:36 GMT
I'm all over the place on this one. First, I think "what if that maniac had actually gotten in his vehicle and walked inside, instead of shooting through the glass from his car. Everyone in that office would've been killed...sitting ducks.
But then I think about guns being in the hands of people that shouldn't have guns. The mentally ill. Even the mentally stressed. PTSD anyone? But then I realize that everyone in the military has had their hands on a gun at some point in their military career...even if it was just basic training.
So I'm not really sure what I want...because I could go either way. I do think the issue of guns needs to be looked at again. Perhaps one person with a gun per shift...and those with guns in "civilian areas" have to get special licensing from the military...which includes frequent mental health evaluations for that "team".
Lots to think about...not sure I have the answer...not sure I even know what I want. But I do think it needs to be addressed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 23:59:06 GMT
I've never really understood why our military men and women aren't armed. They are the MILITARY!
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 18, 2015 0:03:58 GMT
I've never really understood why our military men and women aren't armed. They are the MILITARY! part of the reasons was that they wanted the recruitment centers to be inviting and they thought being armed would ditract from that. They also thought that since they were in civilian areas, they shouldn't be armed. I'm not opposed to gun free zones or businesses that say novguns, but these are military personnel and they easy targets for these lone "I want to do something for isis/Allah" assholes. If the military personnel are equipped and mentally capable of wielding a weapon, then I would like them to have that opportunity. Our service members on bases and other installments have protections. These people should too. |
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Post by airforcemomof1 on Jul 18, 2015 0:23:24 GMT
Absolutely they should!
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Post by Rainbow on Jul 18, 2015 0:27:14 GMT
Civilians need to protect themselves too. Gun-free zones are stupid. Criminals aren't going to abide by the rules of a gun-free zone, so everyone in there is an easy target. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2015 0:39:27 GMT
We put weapons in their hands in combat and trust them to defend our country. Shouldn't we allow them to defend themselves when the enemy has declared open season on them?
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Post by txsweetpea on Jul 18, 2015 0:56:33 GMT
Absolutely! They need to be armed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2015 1:02:40 GMT
Can't they have a concealed weapon? I don't see the need to open carry.
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Post by Basket1lady on Jul 18, 2015 1:03:06 GMT
If a military person carries a gun in their everyday job, they definitely have special training above and beyond what the general ranks have received.
This isin't the first time something like this has happened, but maybe the first for Allah. DH used to work in recruiting. Some of those stories scared the heck out of me. It seems like such a tame job and for the most part, it was. But there are a few days that stand out that make my hair curl.
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Post by gossamer on Jul 18, 2015 1:26:33 GMT
Yes, open carry in uniform. Concealed not in uniform.
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Post by tarheelgurl on Jul 18, 2015 1:49:02 GMT
Yes!!
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 18, 2015 2:46:14 GMT
Can't they have a concealed weapon? I don't see the need to open carry. currently they cannot be armed at the recruiting office, concealed or not. Out of curiosity, why not open carry 8n this case? |
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jul 18, 2015 4:13:28 GMT
Dh, a retired Navy gunnersmate, says yes. Especially with what's going on now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2015 4:18:59 GMT
Can't they have a concealed weapon? I don't see the need to open carry. currently they cannot be armed at the recruiting office, concealed or not. Out of curiosity, why not open carry 8n this case? I'm not sure I would be able to explain it right. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2015 5:13:36 GMT
These are soldiers, Marines, men and women trained to fight and kill if necessary. If they are in uniform their weapon is a part of that uniform. Why should they have to hide it? If we are not going to arm the recruiters themselves, then post an armed MAA at each recruiting station.
Even the majority of uniformed services on military installations are not armed in the course of their daily work. SIL was an MAA at Naval Base San Diego; he had to check his weapon out of the armory when he went on duty, and return it at the end of his work day. He was not permitted to carry a weapon unless his specific duty assignment warranted one. I never understood that either. SMH
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Post by RiverIsis on Jul 18, 2015 5:23:47 GMT
You know, with what we spend on the military if we have personnel in an office recruiting, why aren't they behind bullet/bomb proof glass? I know there is film that can be applied, it isn't absolutely foolproof but it slows the inertia down and thus less deadly. They had to install the film in a building I was working in, not for gun fire but because of construction work right next to windows and the danger to the workers on the other side (they only did it after construction materials came through a window and covered a secretary in shards of glass so it isn't an overkill situation).
I have no problem with recruitment officers in good standing and under ongoing assessment for any issues carrying during their time in a recruitment office. I also would generally consider them equivalent to police officers when visiting High Schools and thus allowed to safely carry.
Generally I am not "pro gun" everyone arm up etc. but I think it is ridiculous in these cases of trained personnel fulfilling duties, when our alert levels have been so high for so long, not being allowed to carry. I don't think it should be mandatory and should be up to each recruiter to decide.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2015 5:30:57 GMT
I've never really understood why our military men and women aren't armed. They are the MILITARY! part of the reasons was that they wanted the recruitment centers to be inviting and they thought being armed would ditract from that. They also thought that since they were in civilian areas, they shouldn't be armed. I'm not opposed to gun free zones or businesses that say novguns, but these are military personnel and they easy targets for these lone "I want to do something for isis/Allah" assholes. If the military personnel are equipped and mentally capable of wielding a weapon, then I would like them to have that opportunity. Our service members on bases and other installments have protections. These people should too. If someone is put off by the mere sight of a weapon, then perhaps a MILITARY recruiting office is not the right place for them.
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Post by doesitmatter on Jul 18, 2015 5:32:54 GMT
Yes
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Post by RiverIsis on Jul 18, 2015 5:33:52 GMT
part of the reasons was that they wanted the recruitment centers to be inviting and they thought being armed would ditract from that. They also thought that since they were in civilian areas, they shouldn't be armed. I'm not opposed to gun free zones or businesses that say novguns, but these are military personnel and they easy targets for these lone "I want to do something for isis/Allah" assholes. If the military personnel are equipped and mentally capable of wielding a weapon, then I would like them to have that opportunity. Our service members on bases and other installments have protections. These people should too. If someone is put off by the mere sight of a weapon, then perhaps a MILITARY recruiting office is not the right place for them.
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Post by azredhead on Jul 18, 2015 5:35:48 GMT
yes, especially now.
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Post by anxiousmom on Jul 18, 2015 20:02:35 GMT
At least one Governor (mine, oddly enough) has stepped in to make some temporary changes until this idea gets settled. He has signed an executive order to pull all the National Guard recruiting centers into the National Guard Armory buildings/centers where there are armed staff and better security and to "expedite concealed weapons permits for qualified National Guard members." (quote taken from here ) |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2015 20:04:38 GMT
The military not being armed is weird. They should have guns. The end.
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Post by RiverIsis on Jul 18, 2015 20:08:51 GMT
The military not being armed is weird. They should have guns. The end. There are quite a few military that don't carry in day to day operations/work. I think it is just because you can, doesn't mean you should. I have a friend who is a counselor on a military base and hazard to guess those undergoing counselling aren't armed during sessions. Also I'm not certain a mechanic should be armed whilst trying to work on vehicles on base etc. Should they have access? I think so. Should they carry? I think it is situation dependent. |
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Jul 18, 2015 20:10:11 GMT
Yes.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 18, 2015 20:25:26 GMT
The military not being armed is weird. They should have guns. The end. There are quite a few military that don't carry in day to day operations/work. I think it is just because you can, doesn't mean you should. I have a friend who is a counselor on a military base and hazard to guess those undergoing counselling aren't armed during sessions. Also I'm not certain a mechanic should be armed whilst trying to work on vehicles on base etc. Should they have access? I think so. Should they carry? I think it is situation dependent. I'm sure they don't want/need everyone on base to be carrying, but I think those based in positions that are off the base and thus not as protected as those on base should have some sort of protection available. The recruiting offices around here are 60 miles from the nearest base. |
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Post by RiverIsis on Jul 18, 2015 20:27:27 GMT
There are quite a few military that don't carry in day to day operations/work. I think it is just because you can, doesn't mean you should. I have a friend who is a counselor on a military base and hazard to guess those undergoing counselling aren't armed during sessions. Also I'm not certain a mechanic should be armed whilst trying to work on vehicles on base etc. Should they have access? I think so. Should they carry? I think it is situation dependent. I'm sure they don't want/need everyone on base to be carrying, but I think those based in positions that are off the base and thus not as protected as those on base should have some sort of protection available. The recruiting offices around here are 60 miles from the nearest base. I know. I posted earlier they should have access in the Recruiting Office. I was just responding to why military wouldn't always be armed. |
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