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Post by myboysnme on Jul 23, 2015 11:30:41 GMT
I saw the footage yesterday of her arrest and I have to say I am so disturbed I can't stop thinking about it. I think about if that happened to me or one of my children. Like she said in her last voicemail, "How does it go from changing lanes to this?"
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Post by baslp on Jul 23, 2015 11:40:49 GMT
If I am pulled over by the police, I just answer with yes and no . I just want to get out of there. I can go to court later tio fight the charges. I have noticed that many officers have attitudes and I do not want to interact w them.
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Post by krazykatlady on Jul 23, 2015 11:50:02 GMT
If I am pulled over by the police, I just answer with yes and no . I just want to get out of there. I can go to court later tio fight the charges. I have noticed that many officers have attitudes and I do not want to interact w them. Why do we see it, time after time, people find it necessary to argue with the cops.? I'm not excusing him but she seemed intent on pushing his buttons. |
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Post by christine58 on Jul 23, 2015 11:50:48 GMT
This all could have been avoided if she had followed the officers directions. She was belligerent and rude. I believe she did kill herself. The police released her intake form and she answered yes to "Have you attempted suicide?" and no to "are you thinking of suicide today".
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Jul 23, 2015 11:56:05 GMT
CNN has been covering this extensively and now the family and their attorney are speaking out.
One thing I don't understand is why she was in jail for three days and no one came to bail her out. According to the report I saw on CNN, she was allowed out of her cell and there was a table with a phone and she was allowed to make phone calls to reach someone to post her bail.
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Post by Merge on Jul 23, 2015 12:09:12 GMT
So many things wrong with that video - but at the end of the day, the responsibility for de-escalating the situation is on the officer. According to the legal analysis I've read, he was not within his rights to require her to put out her cigarette, nor to ask her to get out of the car without probable cause. He amped up the situation instead of acting as the voice of reason.
Yes, she was wrong to argue. But the cop, as the one in authority, had a responsibility to de-escalate the situation. There is zero evidence that he felt he was in danger - it appears, rather, that he was on a power trip and angry that she wasn't going along with it.
The discrepancy in the intake forms regarding her history of attempted suicide is troubling. It appears she should have been more closely watched.
The whole thing is very sad.
ETA: there is no evidence that she lost her life because she argued with a officer. She was taken to jail because she argued, but it appears the choice to end her life was her own.
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Post by gar on Jul 23, 2015 12:12:35 GMT
It's not worth losing their life to argue with an officer. It shocks me that if you argue with a police officer you risk death!!! |
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Post by Merge on Jul 23, 2015 12:14:21 GMT
It's not worth losing their life to argue with an officer. It shocks me that if you argue with a police officer you risk death!!! You don't. Arguing with the police is not what caused her death. |
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Post by lollapealooza on Jul 23, 2015 12:16:24 GMT
I think the police killed her on purpose because they could. That's what I think.
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Post by maryland on Jul 23, 2015 12:18:22 GMT
It's not worth losing their life to argue with an officer. It shocks me that if you argue with a police officer you risk death!!! Ok, I deleted my post! I wasn't saying it well. Obviously I wasn't explaining myself well. I should have said I teach my girls to listen to the police if they are pulled over. |
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Post by christine58 on Jul 23, 2015 12:19:48 GMT
It shocks me that if you argue with a police officer you risk death!!! You don't. Arguing with the police is not what caused her death. She took her own life. It bothers me that no one went and bailed her out. Did any of her family even go see her at the jail? |
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Post by christine58 on Jul 23, 2015 12:20:25 GMT
I think the police killed her on purpose because they could. That's what I think. What the hell are you smoking??? |
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Post by Kerri W on Jul 23, 2015 12:32:04 GMT
I think the police killed her on purpose because they could. That's what I think. What the Feezey heck?! You've GOT to be kidding me? |
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Post by elaine on Jul 23, 2015 12:34:00 GMT
So many things wrong with that video - but at the end of the day, the responsibility for de-escalating the situation is on the officer. According to the legal analysis I've read, he was not within his rights to require her to put out her cigarette, nor to ask her to get out of the car without probable cause. He amped up the situation instead of acting as the voice of reason.Yes, she was wrong to argue. But the cop, as the one in authority, had a responsibility to de-escalate the situation. There is zero evidence that he felt he was in danger - it appears, rather, that he was on a power trip and angry that she wasn't going along with it. The discrepancy in the intake forms regarding her history of attempted suicide is troubling. It appears she should have been more closely watched. The whole thing is very sad. ETA: there is no evidence that she lost her life because she argued with a officer. She was taken to jail because she argued, but it appears the choice to end her life was her own. I have seen more legal analysts say that, when stopped for a traffic violation, an officer DOES have the right to ask you to step out of your car and that you should comply. Since there are some that say you don't, I wonder what the truth is. It was shocking to see how quickly that situation went bad. The officer went from politely asking Bland to put out her cigarette to screaming angry in seconds. |
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Post by hosschick on Jul 23, 2015 12:37:12 GMT
CNN has been covering this extensively and now the family and their attorney are speaking out. One thing I don't understand is why she was in jail for three days and no one came to bail her out. According to the report I saw on CNN, she was allowed out of her cell and there was a table with a phone and she was allowed to make phone calls to reach someone to post her bail. She reportedly did speak to family several times over the weekend and asked for assistance with bail. I can only speak for myself, but if I needed to cough up 5 grand to bail someone out of a jail cell halfway across the country, and over a weekend at that? I'm sure it'd take several days if not longer. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2015 12:55:24 GMT
It's not worth losing their life to argue with an officer. It shocks me that if you argue with a police officer you risk death!!! I agree and it seems like a few people are saying that if you argue with the police you kind of get what's coming to you. Surely officers are trained to defuse situations like this without resorting to 'lighting someone up'? He does seem to have been determined to make the situation in to something it wasn't, for what purpose though is beyond me. |
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Post by CeeScraps on Jul 23, 2015 12:55:23 GMT
CNN has been covering this extensively and now the family and their attorney are speaking out. One thing I don't understand is why she was in jail for three days and no one came to bail her out. According to the report I saw on CNN, she was allowed out of her cell and there was a table with a phone and she was allowed to make phone calls to reach someone to post her bail. I heard last night her family didn't have the bail money. They were trying to raise it to get her out. Now saying that was that what pushed her over the edge? Maybe feeling like she was nothing but a burden to her family? I haven't a clue. I too don't understand why people argue with a police person. The man said to get out of the car.....just do it. She was combative from the beginning of the dash cam video. |
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Post by blue tulip on Jul 23, 2015 12:56:13 GMT
CNN has been covering this extensively and now the family and their attorney are speaking out. One thing I don't understand is why she was in jail for three days and no one came to bail her out. According to the report I saw on CNN, she was allowed out of her cell and there was a table with a phone and she was allowed to make phone calls to reach someone to post her bail. She reportedly did speak to family several times over the weekend and asked for assistance with bail. I can only speak for myself, but if I needed to cough up 5 grand to bail someone out of a jail cell halfway across the country, and over a weekend at that? I'm sure it'd take several days if not longer. granted I'm not all that familiar with this, but I believe you can go to a bail bondsman and pay only 10% of the bail to get them out. so, $500.. still a lot but much more attainable. |
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Post by gar on Jul 23, 2015 13:01:18 GMT
You don't. Arguing with the police is not what caused her death. She took her own life. It bothers me that no one went and bailed her out. Did any of her family even go see her at the jail? I realise that but I was referring to a previous posters comment that you risked your life if you argued. Comment has since been deleted and that wasn't what she meant to imply. |
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Post by annabella on Jul 23, 2015 13:03:00 GMT
This all could have been avoided if she had followed the officers directions. She was belligerent and rude. I believe she did kill herself. The police released her intake form and she answered yes to "Have you attempted suicide?" and no to "are you thinking of suicide today". They could have faked the paperwork. I had a friend that was arrested and because it happened on the weekend, he had to wait until Monday to set foot in front of the judge to be released. But I think Sandra's family not being in the same state made it difficult. Not everyone has the money to get on a plane immediately, book a hotel, and work things out. |
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Jul 23, 2015 13:05:20 GMT
She reportedly did speak to family several times over the weekend and asked for assistance with bail. I can only speak for myself, but if I needed to cough up 5 grand to bail someone out of a jail cell halfway across the country, and over a weekend at that? I'm sure it'd take several days if not longer. granted I'm not all that familiar with this, but I believe you can go to a bail bondsman and pay only 10% of the bail to get them out. so, $500.. still a lot but much more attainable. My understanding was that $500 was all that had to be posted too. While I understand this could have been a hardship for one person, I think several family members could have come up with it together. I have to say that the family has lawyered up and getting lots of face time on tv but no one has asked them this question. |
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Jul 23, 2015 13:09:25 GMT
This all could have been avoided if she had followed the officers directions. She was belligerent and rude. I believe she did kill herself. The police released her intake form and she answered yes to "Have you attempted suicide?" and no to "are you thinking of suicide today". They could have faked the paperwork. I had a friend that was arrested and because it happened on the weekend, he had to wait until Monday to set foot in front of the judge to be released. But I think Sandra's family not being in the same state made it difficult. Not everyone has the money to get on a plane immediately, book a hotel, and work things out. She had to go before a judge for the arraignment and if she could not afford counsel she should have been assigned a public defender. You call him and wire the $500 or call the judges office and make arrangements. No one had to physically go in order to help her. The family is accusing the police of murder, they are saying this was not suicide. |
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Post by annabella on Jul 23, 2015 13:13:05 GMT
granted I'm not all that familiar with this, but I believe you can go to a bail bondsman and pay only 10% of the bail to get them out. so, $500.. still a lot but much more attainable. My understanding was that $500 was all that had to be posted too. While I understand this could have been a hardship for one person, I think several family members could have come up with it together. I have to say that the family has lawyered up and getting lots of face time on tv but no one has asked them this question. The lawyers are representing them free I'm sure because it's high profile. But we don't know their family's income bracket or relationship and it may have been a hardship to collect $500 in such a short time. |
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Post by originalvanillabean on Jul 23, 2015 13:13:21 GMT
I am following this and am troubled by it. She was rude to the officer and it all went downhill from there. Last night on the NBC news, there was an inference that the video, that has been circulated of the stop, has been doctored. Something about in one frame you see a car passing by and in another frame it's completely gone. Not my world so I have no idea, but it seems odd to me that the she ended up in jail over a small infraction (that it went that far - both sides could have handled better) and then death. In the past, she had been diagnosed with PTSD, or so they say. Honestly, I don't know if I believe she committed suicide. I just don't know.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2015 13:41:50 GMT
If I am pulled over by the police, I just answer with yes and no . I just want to get out of there. I can go to court later tio fight the charges. I have noticed that many officers have attitudes and I do not want to interact w them. Why do we see it, time after time, people find it necessary to argue with the cops.? I'm not excusing him but she seemed intent on pushing his buttons. That was my exact thought. Its like when my kids were small and they wanted to argue over every thing. They made stuff a big deal that really could have been solved so much easier. When I watched the video, I couldn't help but think she was just asking for trouble. I mean, what if you (general you) not even a cop, and someone started talking to you like that. What would you do? I cant imagine being a police officer and having to deal with that stuff. You just never know what someone reacting like that might actually be trying to hide something sinister or delaying until THEIR backup arrives, you know? And when she says she doesn't know how illegal lane change turns into that, I just want to yell because you picked a fight! |
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Post by Kelpea on Jul 23, 2015 13:43:08 GMT
Hmm...
Both parties were actually pushing each OTHER's buttons. Secondly, the video tape has been altered. Any idiot can see the loops of the same cars and trucks, lol. Her rights were NEVER read to her. She did NOT have to leave her car, and she knew that.
And until an investigation by an impartial organization (doubt there will be an impartial organization) is completed I don't accept the statement of a suicide. Additionally, there have been at least four "suicides" at that particular jail, and the Waller County Sheriff was fired from a previous post due to allegations of racism.
There's a lot more to this story than most folks think, I'm betting.
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Post by worrywart on Jul 23, 2015 13:53:15 GMT
She was definitely rude and combative to the trooper but the bottom line is why in the heck did he even pull her over...not putting on a blinker is a very lame excuse to pull someone over.
They were both out of line but HE is the one who is supposed to stay professional and relatively calm. He does not need to be interacting with the public and should be let go.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jul 23, 2015 13:55:48 GMT
They could have faked the paperwork. I had a friend that was arrested and because it happened on the weekend, he had to wait until Monday to set foot in front of the judge to be released. But I think Sandra's family not being in the same state made it difficult. Not everyone has the money to get on a plane immediately, book a hotel, and work things out. She had to go before a judge for the arraignment and if she could not afford counsel she should have been assigned a public defender. You call him and wire the $500 or call the judges office and make arrangements. No one had to physically go in order to help her. The family is accusing the police of murder, they are saying this was not suicide. Actually you'd deal with the bails bondsman if you're just going to pay the $500. You wire them $500 and they take care of the rest. |
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Post by peppermintpatty on Jul 23, 2015 13:57:55 GMT
I think the police killed her on purpose because they could. That's what I think. That's quite a statement. Care to elaborate? I don't agree with you at all but I am interested to understand why you really would think that. I think she was itching to cause a stir. Sick enough to not care about her family in order to make a point. I don't think the cop should have shoved her to the ground but I don't think there was ANY reason to be as combative as she was through the whole thing. And who can possibly self diagnose PTSD? |
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Post by AnotherPea on Jul 23, 2015 14:12:28 GMT
Why do we see it, time after time, people find it necessary to argue with the cops.? I'm not excusing him but she seemed intent on pushing his buttons. That was my exact thought. Its like when my kids were small and they wanted to argue over every thing. They made stuff a big deal that really could have been solved so much easier. When I watched the video, I couldn't help but think she was just asking for trouble. I mean, what if you (general you) not even a cop, and someone started talking to you like that. What would you do? I cant imagine being a police officer and having to deal with that stuff. You just never know what someone reacting like that might actually be trying to hide something sinister or delaying until THEIR backup arrives, you know? And when she says she doesn't know how illegal lane change turns into that, I just want to yell because you picked a fight!Exactly! I see this way too often at school. A kid could end up suspended over something that should have been a quick correction and short private talk after class. But because he wants to be argumentative and raises the stakes, he ends up out of class and/or school. |
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