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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 14:24:08 GMT
We've spent some time discussing Trump, and the myriad of GOP candidates, but I don't recall seeing anything from our Democrat friends.
So a few questions. (looking for discussion, thoughts...not looking for snark and no snark intended)
Do you think the Clinton campaign will survive? Do you necessarily WANT the Clinton campaign to survive?
Do you think Sanders has a shot?
Do you think Biden will run against Clinton...or do you think he'll wait until she's "officially done"?
My thoughts on the above questions.
I don't think the Clinton campaign can survive. Yes, I know there are those that will vote for HRC no matter what, but I think the history of her numbers just don't look good...and continue to get worse. I don't think her poll numbers are in any way the fault of any GOP "witch hunt". I think HRC plays fast and loose with the rules/laws/truth and has no one but herself to blame. DD#2 told me months ago that she was sure HRC would win because she's a woman. I told her that as much as I want a woman in the White House, I don't think just any woman is qualified. I told her that I wasn't even certain HRC would see a Primary.
I don't think Sanders has any chance. He has his following, for sure. But I think he's way too far out there even for many on the left.
Joe Biden - it would be an entertaining 4 yrs, wouldn't it? The funny thing is, I've read a little bit that says he's got a better shot against many of the GOP candidates than HRC has. He certainly has the experience though.
Now I'm not gloating over the quality of the field of GOP candidates. Believe me. I could only stomach voting for 3...maybe 4 of them...but need to do much more reading on them.
Who knows...maybe our next President hasn't even thrown their hat into the ring yet.
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Post by Loydene on Aug 3, 2015 14:33:41 GMT
I have been disappointed by HRC -- big time. I hope that Sanders can make a real run and impression and become the candidate. I'd like to see a woman candidate ... but not just because she is a woman. I don't consider myself a "yellow dog" Democrat -- but I may be becoming one. I can't think of a reason to vote for any Republican candidate.
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 3, 2015 14:36:30 GMT
I do think that Hillary can survive.
I don't believe that Sanders can win a national election.
It's early days. We'll have to see what happens.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 14:44:17 GMT
I have been disappointed by HRC -- big time. I hope that Sanders can make a real run and impression and become the candidate. I'd like to see a woman candidate ... but not just because she is a woman. I don't consider myself a "yellow dog" Democrat -- but I may be becoming one. I can't think of a reason to vote for any Republican candidate. It's difficult for me to think of a reason to vote for any Republican candidate. HA!
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 3, 2015 15:00:56 GMT
I do think that Hillary can survive. I don't believe that Sanders can win a national election. It's early days. We'll have to see what happens. exactly. I think if hillary gets the nomination, she will win the white house. I think sanders would do a better job, but would have a harder time winning I think the Republican canidate are a joke and continue to run in their "we are more moral than you" and biblical plathform and will be defeated. I can't wait for the Republican debates to start. I've got extra popcorn ready.
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Post by Sarah*H on Aug 3, 2015 15:01:38 GMT
This kind of makes my eyes boggle because I can't conceive gloating over that field - from my perspective, it's like a clown car of worse and worser. IMO, out of that entire group, there are about 1 1/2 GOP candidates that are viable. Viable is the most polite word I can come up with in this scenario. HRC is my next to last choice of the Democratic candidates so far (Webb being last) but I do believe she has a very good shot at getting the nomination or at least going far in the primaries. Anyone who thinks she is too damaged probably spends too much time with conservative media; from outside that bubble, it's the case of the boy who cried wolf and no one is paying attention to those "scandals" anymore except the true believers. There are only so many scandals that can be the worst, most horrifying, most unethical, etc. etc. and we passed that mark about 4 Benghazi investigations ago. I'm a Bernie gal. We'll see how long he can keep growing momentum. I like Biden. I think he would make a good President. I don't know if enough moderates will give him a chance.
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Post by lucyg on Aug 3, 2015 15:13:25 GMT
I do think that Hillary can survive. I don't believe that Sanders can win a national election. It's early days. We'll have to see what happens. I agree with all of that. And I guess I've become a yellow dog Democrat, too, because I will vote for the Democrat, no matter who it is. Unless Trump switches parties again and runs as a Dem. I like Joe Biden. I think he is underestimated by Republicans. But Hillary. (Also, I really think he's too old now.) I don't think Hillary is a perfect candidate, but I do think she has the best chance to win. She is competent and hard-working, and she understands the issues we face in today's world. Her politics mirror mine. Some of her problems are self-inflicted, but some really are Republican witch-hunt issues. How many Benghazi investigations coming up with zero will it take for fringe Republican candidates to stop accusing her of murdering four Americans? I'll be voting for Hillary in the primary again.
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Post by Kymberlee on Aug 3, 2015 15:15:19 GMT
My DH and we're just talking about this last night, and I am also interested in others thoughts. I almost think that JB would be the default choice for those that don't trust HRC or aren't as far to the left as Sanders. It would at least make things a little more interesting on the democrat side.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 15:24:00 GMT
This kind of makes my eyes boggle because I can't conceive gloating over that field - from my perspective, it's like a clown car of worse and worser. IMO, out of that entire group, there are about 1 1/2 GOP candidates that are viable. Viable is the most polite word I can come up with in this scenario. HRC is my next to last choice of the Democratic candidates so far (Webb being last) but I do believe she has a very good shot at getting the nomination or at least going far in the primaries. Anyone who thinks she is too damaged probably spends too much time with conservative media; from outside that bubble, it's the case of the boy who cried wolf and no one is paying attention to those "scandals" anymore except the true believers. There are only so many scandals that can be the worst, most horrifying, most unethical, etc. etc. and we passed that mark about 4 Benghazi investigations ago. I'm a Bernie gal. We'll see how long he can keep growing momentum. I like Biden. I think he would make a good President. I don't know if enough moderates will give him a chance. So you think the HRC private server/email scandal is just a blip with conservative media? You think "no one is paying attention"? (not trying to argue your point...just trying to make sure I understand what you're saying)
But in regards to the "gloating" over the field of GOP candidates...you did read what I wrote correctly to say that I am NOT gloating, right? (I don't want you to think that I'm too terribly excited over any of the GOP candidates at this point either) LOL
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 15:25:38 GMT
I do think that Hillary can survive. I don't believe that Sanders can win a national election. It's early days. We'll have to see what happens. I agree with all of that. And I guess I've become a yellow dog Democrat, too, because I will vote for the Democrat, no matter who it is. Unless Trump switches parties again and runs as a Dem. I like Joe Biden. I think he is underestimated by Republicans. But Hillary. (Also, I really think he's too old now.) I don't think Hillary is a perfect candidate, but I do think she has the best chance to win. She is competent and hard-working, and she understands the issues we face in today's world. Her politics mirror mine. Some of her problems are self-inflicted, but some really are Republican witch-hunt issues. How many Benghazi investigations coming up with zero will it take for fringe Republican candidates to stop accusing her of murdering four Americans? I'll be voting for Hillary in the primary again. You can have Trump.
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Post by Anita on Aug 3, 2015 15:27:00 GMT
I'm more of an independent, but I mostly vote Democrat since the Republicans have become the "clown car of worse and worser," as mentioned above.
Yes, I think HRC will survive. I think her chances are good not just because of her name and her track record, but because she'll be running against that clown car cavalcade. No, I don't think Sanders really has a shot, but we are still early enough that he could surprise me. I don't think Biden will step up and run.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 15:31:34 GMT
I don't honestly understand how anyone can think that all the facts have been presented in regards to Benghazi. There are still emails out there that we may never see. How can you factually state that the investigations are complete when there's still evidence out there, either destroyed or hidden? It's factual that HRC still has her secret server and we do not know the complete contents of that server isn't it?
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Post by Merge on Aug 3, 2015 15:39:41 GMT
I won't vote for HRC. I like Bernie for most things, but doubt he's electable as-is. Maybe if he chooses a very moderate running mate.
It frustrates me every four years, on both sides of the political spectrum. I think really, this? This is our best and brightest? The richest, most powerful country in the world, and this is the best we can come up with? Just evidence of how broken our political system is.
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Post by utmr on Aug 3, 2015 15:45:24 GMT
I like HRC, always have. But lately Bernie is looking better and better. Biden is ok, and I really like Elizaberh Warren.
Yellow dog here, I'll vote for the "D" no matter what. Of course I live in Texas so it just doesn't matter.
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 3, 2015 16:16:47 GMT
I won't vote for HRC. I like Bernie for most things, but doubt he's electable as-is. Maybe if he chooses a very moderate running mate. It frustrates me every four years, on both sides of the political spectrum. I think really, this? This is our best and brightest? The richest, most powerful country in the world, and this is the best we can come up with? Just evidence of how broken our political system is. no, unfortunately our best and brightest are smart enough not to run. Kind of the catch-22. I think one of our biggest issues is the amount of money needed to run. I am full of the belief that there are better people out there, but they don't have the means to run. So instaed you get the same type of person over and over.
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Post by quiltedbrain on Aug 3, 2015 16:17:53 GMT
I'm voting for Sanders. Back when Bill Clinton was running for office the first time, my mother and I went to see him at a stop on his bus tour through Florida. Tipper spoke first, then Hillary, then Al, and lastly Bill. After Hillary's speech, I told my mom that I wished she was running so I could vote for her. So, it's not that I don't like Hillary, but now that many moons have gone by...Bernie is the kind of politician I want representing me. And there's a small part of me that doesn't want another Clinton (or heaven forbid, another Bush, LOL) in the White House. I wish that everyone who likes Bernie but doesn't think he's "electable" would vote for him anyway. Then he just might be electable.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 16:23:07 GMT
I'm voting for Sanders. Back when Bill Clinton was running for office the first time, my mother and I went to see him at a stop on his bus tour through Florida. Tipper spoke first, then Hillary, then Al, and lastly Bill. After Hillary's speech, I told my mom that I wished she was running so I could vote for her. So, it's not that I don't like Hillary, but now that many moons have gone by...Bernie is the kind of politician I want representing me. And there's a small part of me that doesn't want another Clinton (or heaven forbid, another Bush, LOL) in the White House. I wish that everyone who likes Bernie but doesn't think he's "electable" would vote for him anyway. Then he just might be electable. The same wish I have for a viable 3rd party candidate. It seems so many are fed up with the 2-party system...but no one wants to take a chance.
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 3, 2015 16:24:34 GMT
I don't honestly understand how anyone can think that all the facts have been presented in regards to Benghazi. There are still emails out there that we may never see. How can you factually state that the investigations are complete when there's still evidence out there, either destroyed or hidden? It's factual that HRC still has her secret server and we do not know the complete contents of that server isn't it? I think it may be like the jfk assassination. Many believe there is more to it, but it will never be proven. FTR, unless the democratic canidate does something heinous, it doesn't really matter who it is. I will be voting Democrat for the presidential election because the current canidates (save the one who just entered because I don't know enough about him) are so off the mark with what I believe I could never vote for them. I still wish we had a viable third party canidate. I want someone who is fiscally responsible, stays out of people's moral decisions, and is looking to tackle issues like the environment without going overboard. I want someone who doesn't try to legislate morality based on a religion and someone who backs up what they believe in. Unfortunately what I want is half Democrat and half old school republican and it can't exist in today's political climate. While I am at it, I also want my elected members of Congress to vote in ways that acts reflect what they believe AND what the people who elected them want. I cannot believe that these elected people agree with their base 100% of the time and if that is the case, why bother to vote.
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Aug 3, 2015 16:26:58 GMT
I admire many of Hillary Clinton's accomplishments but Bernie Sanders will get my vote in the primary election.
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Post by doesitmatter on Aug 3, 2015 16:28:46 GMT
I am not a Democrat, but I am for whoever can be a good leader. I don't expect total alignment with my views. I don't expect perfection. I would never blindly vote for anyone in my party I don't care what party, just a good leader who is ethical and fair and abides by the constitution. So basically I guess I won't be for anyone, huh? Sigh, hope this isn't the case.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 16:30:43 GMT
I don't honestly understand how anyone can think that all the facts have been presented in regards to Benghazi. There are still emails out there that we may never see. How can you factually state that the investigations are complete when there's still evidence out there, either destroyed or hidden? It's factual that HRC still has her secret server and we do not know the complete contents of that server isn't it? I think it may be like the jfk assassination. Many believe there is more to it, but it will never be proven. FTR, unless the democratic canidate does something heinous, it doesn't really matter who it is. I will be voting Democrat for the presidential election because the current canidates (save the one who just entered because I don't know enough about him) are so off the mark with what I believe I could never vote for them. I still wish we had a viable third party canidate. I want someone who is fiscally responsible, stays out of people's moral decisions, and is looking to tackle issues like the environment without going overboard. I want someone who doesn't try to legislate morality based on a religion and someone who backs up what they believe in.
Unfortunately what I want is half Democrat and half old school republican and it can't exist in today's political climate. While I am at it, I also want my elected members of Congress to vote in ways that acts reflect what they believe AND what the people who elected them want. I cannot believe that these elected people agree with their base 100% of the time and if that is the case, why bother to vote. Preach.
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Post by meridon on Aug 3, 2015 16:37:24 GMT
As of now, I'm supporting Sanders, although I know that Clinton will almost certainly win the nomination. I feel now like I did back in 2008--that Hilary feels like she's owed my vote just because I'm a woman. I don't like her stance on regulating Wall Street and wish she would address the growing income gap. I just think she's been an insider too long to be able to address the economic pressures being faced by the middle class. I would LOVE to see Elizabeth Warren run, but she just can't be persuaded, I guess. Sigh. I just hope Sanders being in the race will force Clinton to have to move left on some issues. I teach Am Gov and it's always fun during a presidential election cycle, but having 20+ candidates to keep track of is becoming exhausting! I guess I'll have to assign one to each student and have them do it. And FWIW, it's the Democratic party. Democrat is a noun, Democratic is an adjective. So I'm a Democratic friend, not a Democrat friend, to reference the OP. I'm seeing this a lot lately and it really irks me. Not meant as a hand slap, just a personal pet peeve of mine. If I really wanted to get on my soapbox about it, I'd regale you with my conspiracy theory about how the GOP started referencing all things Democratic as Democrat because they are such douches that they won't even afford the party the respect of calling it by its proper name, but I digress...
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 3, 2015 16:40:25 GMT
I do think that Hillary can survive. I don't believe that Sanders can win a national election. It's early days. We'll have to see what happens. I agree with all of that. And I guess I've become a yellow dog Democrat, too, because I will vote for the Democrat, no matter who it is. Unless Trump switches parties again and runs as a Dem. I like Joe Biden. I think he is underestimated by Republicans. But Hillary. (Also, I really think he's too old now.) I don't think Hillary is a perfect candidate, but I do think she has the best chance to win. She is competent and hard-working, and she understands the issues we face in today's world. Her politics mirror mine. Some of her problems are self-inflicted, but some really are Republican witch-hunt issues. How many Benghazi investigations coming up with zero will it take for fringe Republican candidates to stop accusing her of murdering four Americans? I'll be voting for Hillary in the primary again. What Lucy said. Although I am voting for Hillary in the primary, if Sanders is nominated, then I will vote for him. I think that the next President might nominate SC justices, so I will definitely vote Dem. I don't want another Alito as a Justice.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 16:40:44 GMT
I think really, this? This is our best and brightest? The richest, most powerful country in the world, and this is the best we can come up with? Just evidence of how broken our political system is. I do not understand the thinking that "our best and brightest" are people who want to run for political office? I think our best and brightest are smart enough to stay far away from politics. They probably own politicians. Our best and brightest are far to busy being productive and actually doing worthwhile things in the world to want to become a mere politician who slogs through the cumbersome processes and ensconced bureaucrats in Washington DC for a living.
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Post by Merge on Aug 3, 2015 16:45:44 GMT
I think really, this? This is our best and brightest? The richest, most powerful country in the world, and this is the best we can come up with? Just evidence of how broken our political system is. I do not understand the thinking that "our best and brightest" are people who want to run for political office? I think our best and brightest are smart enough to stay far away from politics. They probably own politicians. Our best and brightest are far to busy being productive and actually doing worthwhile things in the world to want to become a mere politician who slogs through the cumbersome processes and ensconced bureaucrats in Washington DC for a living. Be that as it may, how different could our country be if our best and brightest were actually running it? How sad that our system is set up to exclude the very people most qualified to be in charge.
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Post by katieanna on Aug 3, 2015 16:45:56 GMT
It frustrates me every four years, on both sides of the political spectrum. I think really, this? This is our best and brightest? The richest, most powerful country in the world, and this is the best we can come up with? Just evidence of how broken our political system is.
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Post by ntsf on Aug 3, 2015 16:47:58 GMT
Sanders has some good ideas...but I don't think he can get elected. Hillary has her problems...but I will only vote for the Democratic candidate..whomever he/she is. the republicans are so far out of the mainstream for me...but then I live in a town where the democratic party is sort of right of most the population.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 16:48:07 GMT
I want someone who is fiscally responsible, stays out of people's moral decisions, and is looking to tackle issues like the environment without going overboard. I want someone who doesn't try to legislate morality based on a religion and someone who backs up what they believe in. Unfortunately what I want is half Democrat and half old school republican and it can't exist in today's political climate. I'm not a Democrat and that's who I want as well...with a little world peace and end to world hunger as well.
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Post by anxiousmom on Aug 3, 2015 17:10:01 GMT
I am almost hesitant to say this, but I am liking Hilary Clinton less these days. I feel like there is an almost...patronizing? air about her 'I am for the middle class' speeches. It is hard to put my finger on it, and it has nothing at all to do with email servers and Benghazi, but rather just a feeling of slight condescension when I listen to her speak.
It both bothers me and surprises me that I feel this way as I typically like her.
Back in the old days you could also find 'blue dog democrats'...fiscally conservative, socially liberal. I think I fit in that category and frankly there really isn't a candidate that fits in the bill.
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Post by carhoch on Aug 3, 2015 17:11:24 GMT
I live in Virginia so my vote do matter and I'm voting for whoever is on the Democratic ticket but it will probably be Hillary and I'm fine with that .
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