grinningcat
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Post by grinningcat on Aug 7, 2015 11:35:31 GMT
Gee, what a shock. The sanctimonious "perfect" mommies who have their children by their side every moment of the day because they can't bear to be separated from them for a second are shitting on the mommies who don't feel the need to smother their children and actually like having time to themselves while allowing their kids to grow independently. It's so lovely to see the bitchiness start. I was wondering when this version of the mommy wars would come to the board.
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Post by pierkiss on Aug 7, 2015 12:36:40 GMT
Me! I don't want to! I want to have more summer, and I am really really not looking forward to getting up at 6 every single flipping day.
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Post by giatocj on Aug 7, 2015 12:42:07 GMT
ME! I truly hate the whole school year routine of waking up a teenager, getting him to and from hockey, seeing that his homework gets done (and then actually turned in) and all the other happy horse crap that the school year brings with it. And really, I just love summer and wish it would last way longer than it does.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 12:43:27 GMT
You mean, other than my kid? No one! But we still have 3 weeks left of summer break here.
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Post by lorieann13 on Aug 7, 2015 13:18:35 GMT
32??? omg... Do you have any help in that class? In my county the kindergarten teachers all have an aide, but the rest of elementary 1 (1-5) does not. However, the class size can't go above 26 and even that can be a lot of 1st graders all in one room if there are some "lively" ones. Well, I do have an aide for one student. She is almost 100% blind. Her aide is helping her with the Braille and enlarged textbooks, and the machine the enlarges what I write on the board for the class. I think it's pretty amazing to have this small window where she still has some vision and I can cram as much visual stuff in as possible! My aide is not allowed to help as a general aide (because we don't have them and it's not fair to the other classrooms). We we also don't have a prep, which means I teach all the 'specials' like science lab and PE. So, trying to collaborate on the lessons with my aide to help her be highly effective for the student will happen during our lunch. California thinks putting all the special Ed students in general Ed is good for everyone. I actually think it is doable if you have a fantastic Special ED team on site and don't have the violent students. My gen Ed kids miss out on so many lessons because I have to deal with violent behavior issues and the revolving door of specialists who come to observe the violent student and want to tell me what I'm doing wrong. I think they don't realize I'm here to teach general Ed first grade, not manage violent behaviors! Sorry, this turned into a vent. I really hope you all have a wonderful school year! Learning should always be a magical and rewarding experience for everyone!!!!!!! Southern California mom here...it depeneds on what your district does honestly. Mine has an elementary, jr high and higschool classroom for the violent and disturbed kids. Our sped ed is also broken down into mainstream with rsp support, mild mod, mod severe, and severe profound. My aspie is mainstream with rsp support. My son is mod severe. Also forgot we have ABA autism classrooms too. My son will be ABA with mod severe pull out and goal of mild mod support. Jr high is a bit different as their is just mild classes too. In our district and surrounding districts 1st grade classes max out at 24-26. 32 is the max for 3-5th. 34 for Jr High.
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Post by cyndijane on Aug 7, 2015 13:34:07 GMT
I love the no bell schedule of summer. I also love teaching, and that first day is so much fun. Day two, when the true colors show, is a different story. I just got my class list - 32 first graders including a violent student. I just pray we don't end up on the news. 32??? omg... Do you have any help in that class? In my county the kindergarten teachers all have an aide, but the rest of elementary 1 (1-5) does not. However, the class size can't go above 26 and even that can be a lot of 1st graders all in one room if there are some "lively" ones. I was thinking something very similar to this when I read it. Class size was one of the many reasons we ended up homeschooling last year. As nervous as I am to begin this year with two, instead of just one- pulling DS out after first grade with 27 in his class has made a HUGE difference for him. He has autism, and we really didn't understand how hard it was for him each day to try and navigate through so many kids in his class. This last year he's just blossomed-and actually enjoys meeting new people, makes new friends on the playground, etc. We just had no idea that a typical classroom was just too much for him at this point in his life. I know schools are so limited with funding that many schools MUST have those large classrooms, but our experience makes me wonder how many other kids are experiencing some degree of social stress because of overcrowding?
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Post by lorieann13 on Aug 7, 2015 14:52:28 GMT
32??? omg... Do you have any help in that class? In my county the kindergarten teachers all have an aide, but the rest of elementary 1 (1-5) does not. However, the class size can't go above 26 and even that can be a lot of 1st graders all in one room if there are some "lively" ones. I was thinking something very similar to this when I read it. Class size was one of the many reasons we ended up homeschooling last year. As nervous as I am to begin this year with two, instead of just one- pulling DS out after first grade with 27 in his class has made a HUGE difference for him. He has autism, and we really didn't understand how hard it was for him each day to try and navigate through so many kids in his class. This last year he's just blossomed-and actually enjoys meeting new people, makes new friends on the playground, etc. We just had no idea that a typical classroom was just too much for him at this point in his life. I know schools are so limited with funding that many schools MUST have those large classrooms, but our experience makes me wonder how many other kids are experiencing some degree of social stress because of overcrowding? While I understand this from an autism parent stand point, my area and surrounding areas had the same and even higher numbers when I was in school. I had a class of 36 for elementary. High school 38. And there were no aides. While class size is important in some aspects, I often wonder if it has more to do with the riggers of the work than the actual class size. I saw a huge difference in my aspie when she went into jr high last year. She gets 6 55 min class periods on only 1 subject. So each subject is taught in depth. Not glossed over and rushed through like in elementary. And there are more kids in each class. Our kids deal with sensory and auditory input all day. So of course a parger class size affects our children differently. But I still think its the riggors and pressure that affects them more than numbers.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Aug 7, 2015 15:47:43 GMT
32??? omg... Do you have any help in that class? In my county the kindergarten teachers all have an aide, but the rest of elementary 1 (1-5) does not. However, the class size can't go above 26 and even that can be a lot of 1st graders all in one room if there are some "lively" ones. I was thinking something very similar to this when I read it. Class size was one of the many reasons we ended up homeschooling last year. As nervous as I am to begin this year with two, instead of just one- pulling DS out after first grade with 27 in his class has made a HUGE difference for him. He has autism, and we really didn't understand how hard it was for him each day to try and navigate through so many kids in his class. This last year he's just blossomed-and actually enjoys meeting new people, makes new friends on the playground, etc. We just had no idea that a typical classroom was just too much for him at this point in his life. I know schools are so limited with funding that many schools MUST have those large classrooms, but our experience makes me wonder how many other kids are experiencing some degree of social stress because of overcrowding? Reading about huge class sizes makes me cringe! Our previous governor pledged "no new taxes" and stuck with that even though our roads were crumbling and class sizes in the city ballooned (it was reported locally that some high school classes were maxed out at 45 students per class and there weren't enough desks so they could all sit). Since then, a former teacher was elected as our governor and our family moved out of the inner city to the 'burbs where there is even more of an emphasis on having reasonable class sizes and more classroom support (school funding referendums get passed by wide margins here). DD will be in a K class with no more than 20 kids (there will be three classes, as there were last year) max, 1st-3rd have no more than 22 per class. The kids here also get daily phys ed plus weekly art and music classes which makes me very happy since my kid already shows a strong inclination toward the arts. I don't know how any kid can function well in a huge class with all those other kids going in a hundred different directions daily! I'm so glad the teachers here can focus on what they do best.
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AnotherPea
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Post by AnotherPea on Aug 7, 2015 16:24:27 GMT
I was thinking something very similar to this when I read it. Class size was one of the many reasons we ended up homeschooling last year. As nervous as I am to begin this year with two, instead of just one- pulling DS out after first grade with 27 in his class has made a HUGE difference for him. He has autism, and we really didn't understand how hard it was for him each day to try and navigate through so many kids in his class. This last year he's just blossomed-and actually enjoys meeting new people, makes new friends on the playground, etc. We just had no idea that a typical classroom was just too much for him at this point in his life. I know schools are so limited with funding that many schools MUST have those large classrooms, but our experience makes me wonder how many other kids are experiencing some degree of social stress because of overcrowding? Reading about huge class sizes makes me cringe! Our previous governor pledged "no new taxes" and stuck with that even though our roads were crumbling and class sizes in the city ballooned (it was reported locally that some high school classes were maxed out at 45 students per class and there weren't enough desks so they could all sit). Since then, a former teacher was elected as our governor and our family moved out of the inner city to the 'burbs where there is even more of an emphasis on having reasonable class sizes and more classroom support (school funding referendums get passed by wide margins here). DD will be in a K class with no more than 20 kids (there will be three classes, as there were last year) max, 1st-3rd have no more than 22 per class. The kids here also get daily phys ed plus weekly art and music classes which makes me very happy since my kid already shows a strong inclination toward the arts. I don't know how any kid can function well in a huge class with all those other kids going in a hundred different directions daily! I'm so glad the teachers here can focus on what they do best. I'm so glad your new governor is making a difference. It saddens me though, that moving out of the inner city means smaller class sizes. I hate discrepancies like this in education.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Aug 7, 2015 16:45:29 GMT
I'm so glad your new governor is making a difference. It saddens me though, that moving out of the inner city means smaller class sizes. I hate discrepancies like this in education. I think the city schools are doing better with smaller class sizes now too because they have gotten most of their funding back, but there is still a big difference out here. There is a much greater emphasis within the community on having excellent public schools, and the people who live here actively vote for higher taxes specifically to fund education. Our district is constantly improving the school facilities, they work to keep class sizes small, and we have a very active PTA that works tirelessly to raise even more money for things like smart boards, technology in the classrooms and library, and other things like that. Similar referendums in the city almost always got voted down. We wanted to be out of the city anyway for many other reasons (I don't miss having to wait three days for the street in front of my house to get plowed!), but moving somewhere with great schools was high on our list of must haves when we were house hunting a few years ago.
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Post by pretzels on Aug 7, 2015 19:04:30 GMT
I'm excited about my two starting school because they love it and they are into all sorts of extracurriculars. We've had a good summer -- my two are teens and we've gone on vacations, went to $5 movies on Tuesdays, grilled, swam, all that -- but they are ready to get back to school. My oldest will be a JUNIOR and will get his license in a couple of months. He's an officer in the marching band, and is excited about all the things he gets to in regards to that. He's taking a lot of interesting classes; already he's been working on AP assignments this summer, which has been great for keeping him sharp. My DD will be in the eighth grade; this is her last year before she starts high school, and she is anxious to get started.
We like going to school; I feel sad for those who don't.
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smartypants71
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Post by smartypants71 on Aug 7, 2015 19:15:04 GMT
I'm on the fence about it. I work full time, so my schedule doesn't change too much. Pros: I look forward to getting DS back to a regular schedule DS has moved to symphonic band, so I'm looking forward to much better performances Won't have to argue about the stupid XBox Happy that DS gets to see all his friends again Thrilled that this is DS's last year of middle school Cons: DS was in camp the last week of June and was with his dad the whole month of July, so I'm a little sad that I won't have much time to spend with him I do not look forward to the nagging and whining about getting him to do his work in school I HATE going to the grocery store more than anything in the world and it's so much worse during the school year The traffic sucks so much harder when school is in session
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inkedup
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Post by inkedup on Aug 7, 2015 20:11:16 GMT
You have no clue what life is like in many homes. Be thankful for that, I guess. Because, really, if you spent one summer weekend in my home, living my life, with my kids, you'd want school to start again too. Trust me. You'd be just as "awful" as the moms you are judging in this post. Actually, I *do know what it is like in those homes. I've seen the posts year after year. Summer approaches and the "what are we going to DO all summer" starts. Then a week into summer: "they won't stop fighting - I can't take this for the whole summer!" "OMG it's like I have to entertain them constantly!" "They won't settle down and do the smallest thing I ask them to!" THEN, two months into the school year I see "Had to go put the teacher in her place again - she expects a ten year old boy to sit still and behave all.day.long. If she'd only keep them engaged, he wouldn't act up." I don't know why you had to take it to a personal level, but I'll let that bit slide. I'll assume that you're very thankful for the teachers that care for your children and that you'd never begrudge them a day when they couldn't keep your child perfectly on schedule or happy all day long. You remind me a lot of another teacher who used to frequent the board, except that your spelling and grammar are better. You seem pretty damn bitter about your job and angry toward people who don't do things the way you think they should. It must be hard to teach from that high horse of yours. I get the feeling that the students you have that come from homes you disapprove of don't get quite the same attention as the others because you feel that they don't deserve it. After all, their parents made poor choices, sooooo....
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sweetpeasmom
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Post by sweetpeasmom on Aug 7, 2015 20:23:16 GMT
Today was our first day of school. I am a SAHM and I love it. But I am also glad to see school start and not because I want to get rid of my kids. I love having them home in the summer (even if they can get on my nerves with their fighting). But my youngest started middle school today and my oldest starts his first year of school football. So to me, these are big deal years. I look forward to the new school years because I want to see how my kids will develop and grow each year. So why I don't love the early mornings and homework fights at night, I look forward to the school year.
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Post by rahnee on Aug 7, 2015 20:59:47 GMT
I'm not ready at all. One reason is that summer seemed to fly by this year...I want more!! Another reason is that DD will be a sophomore this year, which means we are one step closer to her leaving the nest. She's grown out of the sassy, mouthy, know it all stage (mostly, lol) and I'm really enjoying the person she has developed into. Which is going to make it that much harder when she goes away for college. Wow my kids would love to get this long off school for summer. We are in Australia so summer is Christmas time. Last year they finished 19 December and went back at the end of January. They do get time off throughout the year but we'd rather have it in summer.
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raindancer
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Post by raindancer on Aug 7, 2015 21:15:36 GMT
Gee, what a shock. The sanctimonious "perfect" mommies who have their children by their side every moment of the day because they can't bear to be separated from them for a second are shitting on the mommies who don't feel the need to smother their children and actually like having time to themselves while allowing their kids to grow independently. It's so lovely to see the bitchiness start. I was wondering when this version of the mommy wars would come to the board. Meh. The board is at least something you can click out of and leave. I put up with this from people in real life. It's super awesome. You know, how crazy am I, to want to further my education, get a job and that I expect my kids to have real chores that require work to keep the house up. Including packing lunches and doing laundry. I have been asked why I don't want to be home with them any more. I want to just say, "Isn't it obvious? I just don't love my kids and this way I never have to put up with them."
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Post by threegirls on Aug 8, 2015 0:13:15 GMT
Me! Even before I became a teacher I mourned the end of summer. Summer is so relaxing and free. I hate the memes that pop up about this time stating that parents are ready for their kids to go back to school. Especially coming from the SAHMS. It's so sad that they don't know how to enjoy their own children and a slower pace. Not surprising, these are the same mothers that complain throughout the school year about their disagreements with teachers. You'd think they'd be worshipping the people that take care of their kids when they don't want to themselves.
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eastcoastpea
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Post by eastcoastpea on Aug 10, 2015 14:49:37 GMT
I sure don't look forward to waking the kids up at 6 a.m.
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Post by fiddlesticks on Aug 10, 2015 17:13:29 GMT
I love summer and am enjoying the time home with my kiddo. We still have three weeks until I go back, a month because DD starts. We are in for some transitions this fall. I'm starting at a new school and my DD is starting 1st grade. It will be the first time she's in school all day, everyday.
So, I'm on the fence but I'm not staring the end of our summer quite yet. I might feel differently in a couple of weeks.
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Post by Miss Lerins Momma on Aug 10, 2015 18:31:10 GMT
I love summer and am enjoying the time home with my kiddo. We still have three weeks until I go back, a month because DD starts. We are in for some transitions this fall. I'm starting at a new school and my DD is starting 1st grade. It will be the first time she's in school all day, everyday. So, I'm on the fence but I'm not staring the end of our summer quite yet. I might feel differently in a couple of weeks. I honestly didn't mean to ruffle so many feathers!
I love summer and enjoy my time at home with my girls and like you will be having a huge transition when school starts this year because DD#2 starts First Grade too and will be going all day. We aren't morning people, so it will be a big adjustment for us! I forsee her being super cranky for awhile until she gets adjusted.
We love all things summer, all day at the pool, coming and going as we please, late mornings, mid-week sleepovers with friends, etc. Only a few more days to enjoy all of that for us.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 19:40:35 GMT
Gee, what a shock. The sanctimonious "perfect" mommies who have their children by their side every moment of the day because they can't bear to be separated from them for a second are shitting on the mommies who don't feel the need to smother their children and actually like having time to themselves while allowing their kids to grow independently. It's so lovely to see the bitchiness start. I was wondering when this version of the mommy wars would come to the board. Meh. The board is at least something you can click out of and leave. I put up with this from people in real life. It's super awesome. You know, how crazy am I, to want to further my education, get a job and that I expect my kids to have real chores that require work to keep the house up. Including packing lunches and doing laundry. I have been asked why I don't want to be home with them any more. I want to just say, "Isn't it obvious? I just don't love my kids and this way I never have to put up with them."
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frostybuns
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Post by frostybuns on Aug 11, 2015 2:12:12 GMT
I'm not ready. I've been traveling for the past 2 months (oh expat life) so I AM ready to be back in my own home and for my kids to have their friends around but I'm not ready for schedules and routines l and crazy busyness yet. I wish it was endless summer.
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Post by Miss Lerins Momma on Aug 12, 2015 19:41:52 GMT
Oh and I didn't know that I was a "sanctimonious "perfect" mommy"... but well, if I can get that title for a day or two, then I guess I'll take it. Better than the "Mom of the Year" Award I'm usually going for, LOL!
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luckyexwife
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Post by luckyexwife on Aug 13, 2015 0:31:52 GMT
I'm not sure what happened on this thread, but I am not looking forward to school starting. I love the lazy days of summer.
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Post by compeateropeator on Aug 13, 2015 1:11:40 GMT
I love summer and am enjoying the time home with my kiddo. We still have three weeks until I go back, a month because DD starts. We are in for some transitions this fall. I'm starting at a new school and my DD is starting 1st grade. It will be the first time she's in school all day, everyday. So, I'm on the fence but I'm not staring the end of our summer quite yet. I might feel differently in a couple of weeks. I honestly didn't mean to ruffle so many feathers!
I love summer and enjoy my time at home with my girls and like you will be having a huge transition when school starts this year because DD#2 starts First Grade too and will be going all day. We aren't morning people, so it will be a big adjustment for us! I forsee her being super cranky for awhile until she gets adjusted.
We love all things summer, all day at the pool, coming and going as we please, late mornings, mid-week sleepovers with friends, etc. Only a few more days to enjoy all of that for us. I don't think that the question itself ruffled feathers. You can love summer and hate for school to start; You can hate summer and love when school starts; or you can have any variety of emotions. I think what ruffles feathers is instead of just stating why YOU love or hate either is injecting your actual disdain for why OTHERS feel differently and obviously passing judgement on them without living their life. And you can say why take it personal all you want but when you say things like this: You are making a personal judgement on what others have posted and it comes across as sanctimonious no matter what your intention was. And this is coming from someone who has no dog in the fight and is just looking in from the outside.
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Post by alittleintrepid on Aug 13, 2015 1:21:03 GMT
Summer is my favourite time. The kids get to try new things at camps etc. and we try to have lots of fun together. It's great for my kids to be able to do things a little differently. They like school and will be happy to be back (not until after labour day) but *****i******* would like an endless summer.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 2:10:45 GMT
I honestly didn't mean to ruffle so many feathers!
I love summer and enjoy my time at home with my girls and like you will be having a huge transition when school starts this year because DD#2 starts First Grade too and will be going all day. We aren't morning people, so it will be a big adjustment for us! I forsee her being super cranky for awhile until she gets adjusted.
We love all things summer, all day at the pool, coming and going as we please, late mornings, mid-week sleepovers with friends, etc. Only a few more days to enjoy all of that for us. I don't think that the question itself ruffled feathers. You can love summer and hate for school to start; You can hate summer and love when school starts; or you can have any variety of emotions. I think what ruffles feathers is instead of just stating why YOU love or hate either is injecting your actual disdain for why OTHERS feel differently and obviously passing judgement on them without living their life. And you can say why take it personal all you want but when you say things like this: You are making a personal judgement on what others have posted and it comes across as sanctimonious no matter what your intention was. And this is coming from someone who has no dog in the fight and is just looking in from the outside. I get to enjoy my kids at a slower pace for the rest of my life. My son isn't going to live on his own *ever*. My daughter will need help the rest of her life and my oldest has been cheated out of a normal childhood. Summer isn't a magical season. It's another season with less structure. It has been getting up early every day, 5 days a week so my son can do 3 hours of in home therapy. We can't do the things that make summer fun. There has only been 1 teacher *ever* I had issues with. Three kids; 15, 14, and 6. I thank them profusely at every PTC I attend. I ask them to be brutally honest about my kids.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 3:07:46 GMT
I had mixed feelings about it this year and several years in the past. I really like school to be in after the summer because I get myself on a schedule and I get things done that I have been putting off all summer. I don't like having the kids gone so much or dealing with all the school things. I enjoy having them home. I guess it was probably a good thing with what happened with the kids yesterday. You know when they were little and you locked yourself in the bathroom just to get alone time and they came and pounded on the door? Well, my youngest is 14 and I have a 17yo and 20yo too. The house was SO SLOUD yesterday. I went in the master bathroom to get away from the noise, but it was so loud I could hardly concentrate. Then my youngest came into my room and closed the door and proceeded to yell at my oldest to be quiet. It was all in good fun and I'm glad they were happy, but I was AOK when they left for work and first day of school today!
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Post by betty on Aug 13, 2015 6:16:13 GMT
Dreading it! Getting up in the dark to drive kid #1 to the bus stop before 5:45am or 6:15 am depending on which bus he is taking...ugh. Then 2 more kids on two different buses at different times..lunches, signed papers, homework, etc. along with dh leaving for work in the mix. By 8am I have usually driven 14 to 20 miles round trip to get someone somewhere on time.
I like the non-chaos mornings of summer!
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