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Post by Kymberlee on Aug 21, 2015 11:09:45 GMT
I don't see having an affair the same as misogyny. I agree that they aren't the same, but I find both less than admirable qualities in a man. Both things do have a common theme, though. Both denigrate women and both men have shown they have very little respect for the women in their lives. It feels very hypocritical to me for anyone to talk about what a disgusting mysogenist Trump is without talking about the fact that Clinton didn't seem to treat women any better. FTR, it makes me weep for our country if these two are the best that we can do. Trump is a clown and Hillary has proven to be no better than any other sleazy politician.
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Post by gailoh on Aug 21, 2015 11:15:07 GMT
Some of what he says I believe,not the comments on woman weather they are fat or not....I won't vote for him but I would if it were just between him and Clinton...
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Post by grinningcat on Aug 21, 2015 11:16:05 GMT
It blows my mind that anyone would even consider voting for Trump. Actually, it also disheartens me that people would be willing to reward him for his atrocious behaviour. What the hell is wrong with society that his behaviour makes him a breath of fresh air to some instead of a pariah?
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Post by Dalai Mama on Aug 21, 2015 12:27:07 GMT
Not a Clinton fan either, me, I'm voting for Bernie. However, putting that aside, I really want to know how a woman could vote for a man who is so misogynistic and vile about women. It's not about who I believe is the best candidate, it is about endorsing someone who minimizes the entire gender, who thinks women are nothing more than eye candy, who thinks it is appropriate to make disgusting comments about any woman who disagrees with him. It isn't about Trump vs. anyone, it is about Trump and his degradation of half of this country's population and how anyone in that half of the population can consider endorsing him. I can see your point.
So by the same token, I assume everyone who voted for Bill Clinton believes that cheating on your spouse repeatedly is fine and dandy.
(And don't claim this isn't about Bill because you can't say that it was okay to vote for him if you didn't agree with what he did ethically and then say that it's not okay to vote for Trump because you don't agree with what he says.)
Probably because, despite Clinton's personal record, publically, he managed to sign into law the FMLA and the Violence Against Women Act. He also upheld a woman's right to choose and called for equal pay for women. I would argue that, policy-wise, he was one of the most feminist president's you've had. I really don't think that would be the case under Trump.
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Post by Kelpea on Aug 21, 2015 12:32:44 GMT
I'm amazed at the amount of WOMEN in this country who would vote for Trump over Clinton. They are the same women, most likely, who are completely under their religion's, or husband's thumb. Are you not afraid of the being tossed back into the age of no rights for women? Jesus, Mary and Joseph.
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Post by Kymberlee on Aug 21, 2015 12:41:16 GMT
I'm amazed at the amount of WOMEN in this country who would vote for Trump over Clinton. They are the same women, most likely, who are completely under their religion's, or husband's thumb. Are you not afraid of the being tossed back into the age of no rights for women? Jesus, Mary and Joseph. That is an asinine statement. I would vote for Micky Mouse before I voted for HRC. If that mouse happens to go by the name of Trump then so be it. I think he is an ass and a jerk off, but that is how much I shudder at seeing HRC sitting in the White House. I can also guarantee that I am under no one's thumb, be it my husband or my religion. Period.
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Post by Kelpea on Aug 21, 2015 12:52:39 GMT
Sorry to disagree with you, Kymberlee. But really: have you thought of the potential loss of the myriad rights of women if you are part of the voters who vote this disgusting, racist, male chauvinist PIG into office? Not to mention the fact that due to his political INcorrectness, he has ZERO communication skills, which would immediately put us at risk in the arena of international relations.
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Post by katieanna on Aug 21, 2015 13:42:57 GMT
Qualified and capable are two entirely different things.
If you think she is qualified merely because of her experience, I'll disagree. I think her "experience" has been a miserable failure on her part. She's shown that she is someone who can and has stepped on anyone getting in her way and believes that she can lie herself out of anything and when finally cornered to answer for herself will respond with "it doesn't matter."
She may have "qualifications" but she most certainly is not capable. Well said, BF!
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Post by peasapie on Aug 21, 2015 13:45:16 GMT
I can't stand the man, and I think it would be disastrous for him to ever win an election.
I think people are tired of PC, though -- and any single candidate who wants to win should adopt his non-apologetic attitude to score points. That's the way to beat him at his own game
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Post by anxiousmom on Aug 21, 2015 13:50:14 GMT
Not to mention the fact that due to his political INcorrectness, he has ZERO communication skills, which would immediately put us at risk in the arena of international relations. I have to admit, I am listening to CNN in the background while I wander through my morning and they are talking about the escalation of possible conflict between North and South Korea and how the events are being compounded by a young leader who is desperate to prove himself militarily (and has all but broken ties with the China who has in the past the one to reign N. Korea in when they get too big for the britches.) Anyway, after watching the Trump interview the other night, I started wondering how Trump would try to deal with Kim-Jong Un and all I could come up with was an end result of a nuke going off over California. Trump may be an amazing businessman who can bull his way through negotiations for a contract to build a building, but I just don't see that he has the finesse to handle relations (or lack there of) with an unstable and prickly N. Korea.
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Post by Kelpea on Aug 21, 2015 13:59:12 GMT
Actually, his first properties were gifted to him by his dad. He further incurred at least four bankruptcies during his heyday years in NYC. Not that great of a businessman, lol.
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Post by Kelpea on Aug 21, 2015 15:15:10 GMT
and this song just came on, and I thought of The Donald. Except, of course, he would prefer Amy to be on her knees, and he would be trading her in when she became older... www.youtube.com/watch?v=uejh-bHa4To
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Post by Dalai Mama on Aug 21, 2015 15:16:44 GMT
Not to mention the fact that due to his political INcorrectness, he has ZERO communication skills, which would immediately put us at risk in the arena of international relations. I have to admit, I am listening to CNN in the background while I wander through my morning and they are talking about the escalation of possible conflict between North and South Korea and how the events are being compounded by a young leader who is desperate to prove himself militarily (and has all but broken ties with the China who has in the past the one to reign N. Korea in when they get too big for the britches.) Anyway, after watching the Trump interview the other night, I started wondering how Trump would try to deal with Kim-Jong Un and all I could come up with was an end result of a nuke going off over California. Trump may be an amazing businessman who can bull his way through negotiations for a contract to build a building, but I just don't see that he has the finesse to handle relations (or lack there of) with an unstable and prickly N. Korea. It's funny because my 13-year-old likened Trump to Kim-Jong Un this morning. He said that negotiations between the two would be like two toddlers fighting in a sandbox only with nukes.
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Post by jonda1974 on Aug 21, 2015 15:23:57 GMT
Sorry to disagree with you, Kymberlee. But really: have you thought of the potential loss of the myriad rights of women if you are part of the voters who vote this disgusting, racist, male chauvinist PIG into office? Not to mention the fact that due to his political INcorrectness, he has ZERO communication skills, which would immediately put us at risk in the arena of international relations. Wait? Disgusting, racist, male chauvinist PIG? I didn't know Bill Clinton was eligible to run again?
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Post by jonda1974 on Aug 21, 2015 15:25:12 GMT
and this song just came on, and I thought of The Donald. Except, of course, he would prefer Amy to be on her knees, and he would be trading her in when she became older... www.youtube.com/watch?v=uejh-bHa4ToOhhh. Like Monica was...
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Post by annabella on Aug 21, 2015 15:26:42 GMT
My theory on Trump is that he's a democrat but he wanted to make the race interesting. He brings up some interesting points and republicans love aggressive speakers. He's having fun with this since he's bored with his job. And if he can split the republican vote by going independent he achieved what he set out to do.
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Post by jonda1974 on Aug 21, 2015 15:27:11 GMT
I don't see having an affair the same as misogyny. WHA? Bill Clinton has a history of degrading women. At least Donald does it publicly. Clinton just harrasses them at every corner and threatens their jobs, etc. And don't tell me Hillary didn't know all about it and went along with the coverups willingly for the sake of her own political career. Champion of women my ass. That's like saying her husband loved gay people so much, he just had to sign into law the two most harmful pieces of anti-gay legislation that took 20 years and the supreme court to undo.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Aug 21, 2015 15:39:55 GMT
Sorry to disagree with you, Kymberlee. But really: have you thought of the potential loss of the myriad rights of women if you are part of the voters who vote this disgusting, racist, male chauvinist PIG into office? Not to mention the fact that due to his political INcorrectness, he has ZERO communication skills, which would immediately put us at risk in the arena of international relations. Wait? Disgusting, racist, male chauvinist PIG? I didn't know Bill Clinton was eligible to run again? That is so three presidents ago.
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Post by Kelpea on Aug 21, 2015 15:41:59 GMT
Well, at least the dude would never speak down to a reporter who called him out about using the term "anchor baby," and then DEFENDING same.
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Post by katieanna on Aug 21, 2015 15:49:03 GMT
Sorry to disagree with you, Kymberlee. But really: have you thought of the potential loss of the myriad rights of women if you are part of the voters who vote this disgusting, racist, male chauvinist PIG into office? Not to mention the fact that due to his political INcorrectness, he has ZERO communication skills, which would immediately put us at risk in the arena of international relations. Wait? Disgusting, racist, male chauvinist PIG? I didn't know Bill Clinton was eligible to run again?
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Post by katieanna on Aug 21, 2015 15:49:54 GMT
My theory on Trump is that he's a democrat but he wanted to make the race interesting. He brings up some interesting points and republicans love aggressive speakers. He's having fun with this since he's bored with his job. And if he can split the republican vote by going independent he achieved what he set out to do. That wouldn't surprise me.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Aug 21, 2015 15:54:06 GMT
I don't see having an affair the same as misogyny. WHA? Bill Clinton has a history of degrading women. At least Donald does it publicly. Clinton just harrasses them at every corner and threatens their jobs, etc. And don't tell me Hillary didn't know all about it and went along with the coverups willingly for the sake of her own political career. Champion of women my ass. That's like saying her husband loved gay people so much, he just had to sign into law the two most harmful pieces of anti-gay legislation that took 20 years and the supreme court to undo. Policy-wise, he was he was a champion of women.
But, again, he was three presidents ago and, like you said, no longer eligible to run.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 16:09:36 GMT
I have to admit, I am listening to CNN in the background while I wander through my morning and they are talking about the escalation of possible conflict between North and South Korea and how the events are being compounded by a young leader who is desperate to prove himself militarily (and has all but broken ties with the China who has in the past the one to reign N. Korea in when they get too big for the britches.) Anyway, after watching the Trump interview the other night, I started wondering how Trump would try to deal with Kim-Jong Un and all I could come up with was an end result of a nuke going off over California. Trump may be an amazing businessman who can bull his way through negotiations for a contract to build a building, but I just don't see that he has the finesse to handle relations (or lack there of) with an unstable and prickly N. Korea. And here is the problem. If for some weird reason Trump is elected President he is then going to have to deal with foreign leaders who I guarantee you will not find "say it like it is " attitude or bullying tactics amusing. Because of world tensions I think the day of electing a person president because he/she is a good person without solid foreign experience is gone. Also gone is I would vote for a liar over sleazy even though the sleazy person is more qualified. I think the disaster known as Iraq has. for me, pretty much ended my supporting anyone that isn't the most qualified. I don't personally have to like that person to think as the most qualified person they would do the best job as president. Truth be told I'm not sure how I feel about Hillary personally. But what I do know that as a candidate she is the most capable and qualified of the gaggle of 17 and the Democratic candidates. And, as I have said more than once, if she is the Democratic candidate she will get my vote. If not then whoever the Democratic candidate is will get my vote. The reason, when you look at what the gaggle of 17 have to offer, which is not much , they make Bernie look good. But I like Jim Webb but I'm not sure he wants to be president enough to fight for it. I have to say the folks on the right must agree with me that the gaggle of 17 doesn't have much to offer because I asked yesterday how are they as qualified as Hillary. Or even more qualified. Nothing. But I expected that. It's far easier to trash Hillary then sing the praises of any of the gaggle of 17. As to Trump. He is a bully. There is nothing "refreshing" about his attitude toward politics because he is a bully and a spoiled one at that. And for those who find him refreshing and consider voting for him I have to think they liked to be bullied.
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Post by anxiousmom on Aug 21, 2015 16:10:20 GMT
I have to admit, I am listening to CNN in the background while I wander through my morning and they are talking about the escalation of possible conflict between North and South Korea and how the events are being compounded by a young leader who is desperate to prove himself militarily (and has all but broken ties with the China who has in the past the one to reign N. Korea in when they get too big for the britches.) Anyway, after watching the Trump interview the other night, I started wondering how Trump would try to deal with Kim-Jong Un and all I could come up with was an end result of a nuke going off over California. Trump may be an amazing businessman who can bull his way through negotiations for a contract to build a building, but I just don't see that he has the finesse to handle relations (or lack there of) with an unstable and prickly N. Korea. It's funny because my 13-year-old likened Trump to Kim-Jong Un this morning. He said that negotiations between the two would be like two toddlers fighting in a sandbox only with nukes. You have a smart kid...I love the visual! Throw in Putin and it would Armageddon.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 16:28:02 GMT
I'm amazed at the amount of WOMEN in this country who would vote for Trump over Clinton. They are the same women, most likely, who are completely under their religion's, or husband's thumb. Are you not afraid of the being tossed back into the age of no rights for women? Jesus, Mary and Joseph. I'm amazed at the seemingly smart women who think anyone should vote for a political candidate based solely on the fact that we share the same gender. Just because I am a woman, I don't need to consider any other facts or qualifications over gender? That's screwed up. This is no different than saying all black people absolutely had to vote for President OBama just because he was black or face allegations of abandoning their race. That was screwed up too. Being an American means you get to decide for yourself who gets your vote...based on whatever criteria is important to you. To say if you are a woman you must vote for a woman is just stupid. Doing so, takes away her right to think for herself and make her own choices. Only bullies believe that because I am a woman, I shan't worry my pretty little head about all things political, just vote along gender lines. Keep it easy.
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Post by katieanna on Aug 21, 2015 17:11:24 GMT
I have to say the folks on the right must agree with me that the gaggle of 17 doesn't have much to offer I suppose that's a matter of opinion. Off the top of my head I can think of two of the "gaggle of 17" that are decent, intelligent, self-respecting men who I would vote for in a split second over anyone the Dems have to offer, including Hillary. Considering that Hillary is the "best" that the dems have to offer, that's not saying much for them. MHO, of course.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Aug 21, 2015 17:19:01 GMT
I'm amazed at the amount of WOMEN in this country who would vote for Trump over Clinton. They are the same women, most likely, who are completely under their religion's, or husband's thumb. Are you not afraid of the being tossed back into the age of no rights for women? Jesus, Mary and Joseph. I'm amazed at the seemingly smart women who think anyone should vote for a political candidate based solely on the fact that we share the same gender. Just because I am a woman, I don't need to consider any other facts or qualifications over gender? That's screwed up. This is no different than saying all black people absolutely had to vote for President OBama just because he was black or face allegations of abandoning their race. That was screwed up too. Being an American means you get to decide for yourself who gets your vote...based on whatever criteria is important to you. To say if you are a woman you must vote for a woman is just stupid. Doing so, takes away her right to think for herself and make her own choices. Only bullies believe that because I am a woman, I shan't worry my pretty little head about all things political, just vote along gender lines. Keep it easy. Thank you, I completely agree with you!! I'm not voting for Donald, but for some reason on here a few people think if you aren't supporting Hillary you must be supporting him
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Aug 21, 2015 17:29:01 GMT
I'm amazed at the amount of WOMEN in this country who would vote for Trump over Clinton. They are the same women, most likely, who are completely under their religion's, or husband's thumb. Are you not afraid of the being tossed back into the age of no rights for women? Jesus, Mary and Joseph. I'm amazed at the seemingly smart women who think anyone should vote for a political candidate based solely on the fact that we share the same gender. Just because I am a woman, I don't need to consider any other facts or qualifications over gender? That's screwed up. This is no different than saying all black people absolutely had to vote for President OBama just because he was black or face allegations of abandoning their race. That was screwed up too. Being an American means you get to decide for yourself who gets your vote...based on whatever criteria is important to you. To say if you are a woman you must vote for a woman is just stupid. Doing so, takes away her right to think for herself and make her own choices. Only bullies believe that because I am a woman, I shan't worry my pretty little head about all things political, just vote along gender lines. Keep it easy. I think people are questioning why some women will willingly vote for any of the current Republican candidates given the platform they are running on. Which policy positions have any of them stated that voters would consider to be of benefit to women or children? ETA: I am supporting Bernie.
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Post by cadoodlebug on Aug 21, 2015 17:35:28 GMT
The election is still over a year away. So much can/will change before then and right now I have several candidates in mind that I would be happy to pull the lever for. HRC is definitely not one of them. Neither is Trump.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Aug 21, 2015 17:45:55 GMT
I'm amazed at the seemingly smart women who think anyone should vote for a political candidate based solely on the fact that we share the same gender. Just because I am a woman, I don't need to consider any other facts or qualifications over gender? That's screwed up. This is no different than saying all black people absolutely had to vote for President OBama just because he was black or face allegations of abandoning their race. That was screwed up too. Being an American means you get to decide for yourself who gets your vote...based on whatever criteria is important to you. To say if you are a woman you must vote for a woman is just stupid. Doing so, takes away her right to think for herself and make her own choices. Only bullies believe that because I am a woman, I shan't worry my pretty little head about all things political, just vote along gender lines. Keep it easy. I think people are questioning why some women will willingly vote for any of the current Republican candidates given the platform they are running on. Which policy positions have any of them stated that voters would consider to be of benefit to women or children? ETA: I am supporting Bernie. I don't know about others, but I have no idea who I'm voting for yet. As far as I know, I'm not voting for Donald and I'm not voting for Hillary. Other than that, I have no idea who I will vote for in November 2016. So there is no discussion from me on why I like who I like. I haven't even narrowed it down to 2 or 3 or even 4 people.
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