MizIndependent
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Jun 25, 2014 19:43:16 GMT
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Post by MizIndependent on Aug 26, 2015 17:31:14 GMT
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Post by papersilly on Aug 26, 2015 17:41:01 GMT
that article is right. this is why i don't know if it is better that the gunman lives, survives his injuries and answers for his actions. if he does, he will be in the news until well past the trial which may not even start for a long time. we will be bombarded with every minutea of his life. his story may overshadow theirs and that is wrong. if he passes, they will profile him for the news and that will be it. no more seeing him paraded in and out of court. no seeing him during trial and hearing his defense. no knowing that he lives when they don't. like i said, i don't know which is better.
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paget
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Jun 25, 2014 21:16:39 GMT
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Post by paget on Aug 26, 2015 17:47:16 GMT
I love that picture of them. They look like they were having fun and enjoying working together.
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Post by cannes on Aug 26, 2015 17:51:51 GMT
I completely agree! Such a waste of young lives, full of promise.  |
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Post by lbp on Aug 26, 2015 17:53:15 GMT
I hope he dies! We don't need to waste resources on scum like him. I agree with the article. Let's remember Adam and Allison and the wonderful people they were.
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Post by sues on Aug 26, 2015 18:08:53 GMT
This whole situation is heartbreaking.  I agree about the gunman. I don't want to know anything about these monsters. And I don't want to see their picture on the news over and over again. Just the sight of them sickens me. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 18:12:38 GMT
I believe the victims should be remembered, but I don't know if I can totally agree. I feel like if you ignore who he is, what he did and why, how will we figure out how to stop these shootings?
Did have mental illness? Was he a sociopath? Was he severely abused as a child? How did he obtain a gun? Should he have been allowed to own a gun? Was there a failure in the screening process like there was in the South Carolina shootings when Dylan Roof should NOT have been able to purchase a gun?
I'm not sure what the answer is, there shouldn't be 24 hour coverage about this man, but I think something needs to be learned from this shooting.
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Dani-Mani
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Post by Dani-Mani on Aug 26, 2015 18:14:18 GMT
I guess I disagree. I want to know why he did this. I want to know if he left clues that he was going to do this. I want to know his personal issues. I want to know because we HAVE to do better about mental health prevention. About recognizing workplace violence. We need to figure out how to prevent these mass shootings.
To me, it takes nothing away from these victims. As reporters, they would be covering the shooter. I still believe we'll get gun violence right one day. We are the U.S. We have too...
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Post by moveablefeast on Aug 26, 2015 18:15:02 GMT
He was out for notoriety. He posted the first person video on his facebook. I can't even imagine.
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MerryMom
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Post by MerryMom on Aug 26, 2015 18:29:26 GMT
Sorry, but I disagree with the premise. While I agree that, all too often, the victim's stories don't get reported after awhile, the suspect or criminal is part of the story. If a suspect goes to trial, the trial is about proving the case against him or her. That is why the complaint filed is the "State of (where ever) vs. Name of Suspect". The ongoing story "line" (after a few days) is the criminal investigation, charges, trial, etc.
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Country Ham
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Jun 25, 2014 19:32:08 GMT
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Post by Country Ham on Aug 26, 2015 18:47:11 GMT
I know as an observer to these events I am much more curious about the shooter and his actions. I loved deviant sociology in university. I am fascinated by learning about what makes these people tick.
If we have true news story we can't ignore the shooter. Except for the station where they worked who have a different investment in the lives of the victims, they should be reporting all sides of the story in the same amount of details.
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Post by lbp on Aug 26, 2015 18:54:54 GMT
He is Dead! I am glad! He deserves no recognition. He was fired from 2 different TV stations and he claimed discrimination in both cases. He was known to be difficult to work with and that is why he was fired. He obviously had a personal vendetta against Allison and Adam especially. I hope he rots in hell.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 18:56:28 GMT
I have mixed feelings about it. I think we can learn about the gunman without forgetting his victims, we just have to make sure that they are who we focus on the most.
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calgal08
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Post by calgal08 on Aug 26, 2015 19:05:44 GMT
Such a tragic waste of 2 lives. Who cares what the gunman is called/where he lives/etc.
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Post by sues on Aug 26, 2015 19:10:49 GMT
Not wanting to know details about the shooter's life and/or see constant coverage about the gunman doesn't mean you don't want to know motive, or anything that would aid future prevention.
The news coverage after this kind of tragedy usually goes like this though:
Go live with few details.
Stay live for hours with no additional details.
Make promos for future broadcasts promising new info- but really, there will be few new details.
Then, in order to flesh out the broadcasts, they talk to people that went to Kdg. with the gunman, people who lived next door 30 yers go, people that shopped at Kmart the day before the shooter was there buying soap, people on the street who have no connection at all. It turns into this 'Throw everything at the wall and see what sticks!' mentality, to draw viewers - and pretty soon, we're hearing less about the victims and more about the gunman. I don't want to know he was an A student who loved art and furry animals. I don't want to look at his face.
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Post by nepean on Aug 26, 2015 19:13:39 GMT
They both look like beautiful people , that photo is great, their smiles are contagious!
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Aug 26, 2015 19:17:47 GMT
Not wanting to know details about the shooter's life and/or see constant coverage about the gunman doesn't mean you don't want to know motive, or anything that would aid future prevention. The news coverage after this kind of tragedy usually goes like this though: Go live with few details.
Stay live for hours with no additional details.
Make promos for future broadcasts promising new info- but really, there will be few new details.Then, in order to flesh out the broadcasts, they talk to people that went to Kdg. with the gunman, people who lived next door 30 yers go, people that shopped at Kmart the day before the shooter was there buying soap, people on the street who have no connection at all. It turns into this 'Throw everything at the wall and see what sticks!' mentality, to draw viewers - and pretty soon, we're hearing less about the victims and more about the gunman. I don't want to know he was an A student who loved art and furry animals. I don't want to look at his face. ^^^ but all of this is how news outlets (unfortunately, in my opinion) operate nowadays-- that's not on the viewers, that's on the news outlets, trying to get viewers to watch, whether anyone is watching or not. |
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Post by sues on Aug 26, 2015 19:20:32 GMT
Not wanting to know details about the shooter's life and/or see constant coverage about the gunman doesn't mean you don't want to know motive, or anything that would aid future prevention. The news coverage after this kind of tragedy usually goes like this though: Go live with few details.
Stay live for hours with no additional details.
Make promos for future broadcasts promising new info- but really, there will be few new details.Then, in order to flesh out the broadcasts, they talk to people that went to Kdg. with the gunman, people who lived next door 30 yers go, people that shopped at Kmart the day before the shooter was there buying soap, people on the street who have no connection at all. It turns into this 'Throw everything at the wall and see what sticks!' mentality, to draw viewers - and pretty soon, we're hearing less about the victims and more about the gunman. I don't want to know he was an A student who loved art and furry animals. I don't want to look at his face. ^^^ but all of this is how news outlets (unfortunately, in my opinion) operate nowadays-- that's not on the viewers, that's on the news outlets, trying to get viewers to watch, whether anyone is watching or not. Well, right. But this is how we end up learning more about the gunman...which is what the OP is talking about. |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Aug 26, 2015 21:07:39 GMT
what I'm saying is that if we, the public, don't want to give the gunman any attention, it doesn't matter. News outlets are going to put it out there regardless of what we, the public, wish they would (or wouldn't) do.
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julieb
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Post by julieb on Aug 26, 2015 21:35:58 GMT
I couldn't agree more with this article.
My son's friend was recently murdered in a "safe" neighborhood in Chicago. The news story the next day was about the gunman and showing the murderer's family on tv saying that there was no way their scumbag brother and/or husband would have done such a thing (not that it matters that he was caught close to the scene with stolen cell phone). Not much about ds's outstanding, kind, hard working, CPA friend was said.
I think many wrote or called the station, because 1 week later there was a very nice news story about his friend.
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Post by melanell on Aug 26, 2015 21:38:38 GMT
That's what I have been doing. i have been avoiding anything about the gunman as much as possible. I see headlines, but try to avoid reading too much more about him. Right now it's the people who knew and loved these 2 victims who I am concerned about.
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Post by destined2bmom on Aug 26, 2015 22:07:23 GMT
I pray for all involved. The lady who was being interviewed and was shot in the back; is a close friend of my SIL. I can't imagine what went through all of their minds, when they realized what was happening.
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AmeliaBloomer
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Aug 26, 2015 23:04:37 GMT
There's a fear that killers-in-waiting will be spurred to action BECAUSE of coverage of the killer. I don't remember who, but one recent killer even wrote of the Columbine killers' fame and how well-known their names are.
It it would be interesting to know how FB, Twitter, etc. affect this desire for fame. A killer can produce his own publicity now. No doubt it'll be shut down when discovered, but it gets professional media coverage, and it's not hard to find screenshots of blocked content.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 23:09:03 GMT
what I'm saying is that if we, the public, don't want to give the gunman any attention, it doesn't matter. News outlets are going to put it out there regardless of what we, the public, wish they would (or wouldn't) do. if you the viewer let them know that this is your opinion and if they want you to watch their news they must not promote his name in any way...if their viewership demands this, they will listen. |
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Post by knit.pea on Aug 27, 2015 0:14:26 GMT
This was live. Quite possibly, the parents and family of the two were watching.
Adam's fiancée was producing and probably saw it happen.
The general public knew before next of kin were notified.
Just so horrific.
I wish we never had to see the faces of him, Lanza, Holmes, Kleebold,
Harris and the rest ever published again.
They perpetuate the idea in the minds of others that this is an answer.
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Post by magentapea on Aug 27, 2015 0:56:53 GMT
A few years ago I was listening to Dr. Joy Browne (radio psychologist) and she was talking about a recent mass shooting (sorry, I don't remember which one) and she wouldn't name the shooter. She said that if she said his name on the air, it would be giving him the fame and notoriety that he was looking for, so she referred to him as 'the shooter' or something like that.
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Post by lancermom on Aug 27, 2015 1:49:21 GMT
I try so hard to remember at least one victim's name rather than the other. Sometimes i suck at it, but at least I don't remember the gunman.
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