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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 14:37:56 GMT
I read this article this morning, and it's sticking with me. It's disgusting. Apparently a young man (17) told his girlfriend that he was considering suicide. In an attempt to gain sympathy and attention she spent a week trying to convince him to do it. Which he eventually did. The really sad part is it seems like he had second thoughts multiple times. The girl badgers him constantly to do it and in the end when he seems as though he will back out there was apparently a 45 minute phone call. Here is the article with a LOT of texts. It's disturbing the way she spoke so flippantly about him ending his life, she even goads him a few times. And finally when it's done she posts an "I miss you" message on his Twitter. TextsI can't imagine the rage those parents must feel after reading those texts. Knowing that he had chosen not to go through with it, but being convinced over and over by someone he trusted while he was in such a fragile state of mind. |
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Post by happymomma on Sept 1, 2015 14:49:36 GMT
Reading that made me want to vomit.
I REALLY cannot understand that.
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Post by stumpedagainof3 on Sept 1, 2015 14:51:02 GMT
I couldn't even read the whole article.
Ugh! UNBELIEVABLE!
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Post by anxiousmom on Sept 1, 2015 14:51:37 GMT
Reading that made me want to vomit. I REALLY cannot understand that. I had to stop reading the article. It was sickening. |
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Post by mellowyellow on Sept 1, 2015 14:52:12 GMT
I, too, could not even finish reading that article. I just don't understand.
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Post by littlebitofe on Sept 1, 2015 14:53:05 GMT
I couldn't read it all. There is a special place in hell for someone who would do that.
I'm sending prayers to his family and friends.
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Post by nurseypants on Sept 1, 2015 14:55:32 GMT
One of the most f'ed-up things I've ever seen. That girl...she needs more punishment than an involuntary manslaughter conviction will give her.
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Post by peanuttle on Sept 1, 2015 14:56:08 GMT
I saw that over the weekend and it is beyond upsetting. I cannot fathom anyone could/would ever do that, let alone a young girl. I am glad they are charging her, only wish it was for more.
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Post by smartypants71 on Sept 1, 2015 14:57:56 GMT
That has to be one of the most disturbing things I've ever read.
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Post by Dictionary on Sept 1, 2015 14:58:38 GMT
What in the blazing hell is wrong with that girl? ?? OMG I would so hate to be her parents she was nothing less of a bully getting him to kill himself, seriously she needs to be locked up and realize what she did was just inconceivably wrong!
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Post by hosschick on Sept 1, 2015 14:59:38 GMT
I remember reading about this story a few months ago... I don't even have words.
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Post by cyndijane on Sept 1, 2015 15:04:03 GMT
This is so sad. I can't even start the article- this is wrong on so many levels.
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Post by Kerri W on Sept 1, 2015 15:08:25 GMT
I read about this case a couple days ago. It made me sick to my stomach.
The worst part is her parents are saying she was "brainwashed" into convincing him to commit suicide.
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Post by loco coco on Sept 1, 2015 15:10:15 GMT
she is pure evil. This story makes me sick and I 100% believe she should be charged
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 15:10:16 GMT
To those of you saying you couldn't finish the article, I honestly wish hadn't. That's what I meant by "It's sticking with me."
I wonder if they are going to come out and say she had some kind of mental illness that causes her to seek attention at any cost. I also wonder why she didn't consider someone looking at his text history.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 15:13:17 GMT
I read about this case a couple days ago. It made me sick to my stomach. The worst part is her parents are saying she was "brainwashed" into convincing him to commit suicide. I didn't see this. Who did they say brainwashed her? EDIT: NVM, I missed the link embedded in the article. |
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Post by mountaingirl on Sept 1, 2015 15:20:27 GMT
But what teen does this that doesn't have some kind of mental illness. I think it's bordering psychopathic.
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Post by SunnySmile on Sept 1, 2015 15:25:48 GMT
In my opinion, she should be charged with murder. How is this any different than conspiracy to murder? Manslaughter as I know it, is for accidental death, right? This was no accident. She bullied and goaded him into doing it. I am sickened and completely appalled that someone could do this. I feel so bad for his family.
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Post by marimoose on Sept 1, 2015 15:29:37 GMT
To those of you saying you couldn't finish the article, I honestly wish hadn't. That's what I meant by "It's sticking with me." I wonder if they are going to come out and say she had some kind of mental illness that causes her to seek attention at any cost. I also wonder why she didn't consider someone looking at his text history. Actually there is another report that is saying that there were "alleged" texts where he wanted her to have a Romeo and Juliet pact and kill herself too. I heard that she had previously tried to change his mind but when she accepted tat he was going to do it, well.... we have seen those texts. Frankly I believe little that I see printed from the media as they don't generally present both sides, only what will get the most reaction. My daughter showed me the article a few days ago and I said as much to her that I would want to see both sides - definitely was playing the devil's advocate. Things aren't always as they seem and there are always two sides to a story. If there were/are texts that showed she tried to convince him not to do it, would she be in trouble for not reporting it or trying harder? He was in clear need of help and someone other than just her failed him. I will agree that how she was texting him was terrible, just awful but on the other side, if someone is going to kill themselves, the push probably has little effect and if he wasn't really going to do it, he probably wouldn't have. His fragile mind was not because of her and did no one else close to him realize that he was thinking any of this? He had previously had a failed suicide attempt and she isn't linked to that one. I am sure that the defense might be pointing that out also. I am curious to see how it all ends. At the end of the day it is tragic that yet another young person has taken his life, well before it ever got fully started and everyone involved loses in some manner or another. She certainly needs help. |
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Post by red88 on Sept 1, 2015 15:35:58 GMT
I'm one who couldn't finish this article. As I was reading it, Charles Manson kept popping into my thoughts. My opinion, she is a Charles Manson. Murder should be her crime.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 15:36:39 GMT
But what teen does this that doesn't have some kind of mental illness. I think it's bordering psychopathic. I'm not disagreeing with you. I also thought psychopath. I was just wondering if they would come up with her reasoning or lack thereof. As it is, it seems they are going with her having been brainwashed. I don't know anything about whether or not she's been evaluated while in custody or if she has a history of mental illness. |
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Post by Dalai Mama on Sept 1, 2015 15:39:54 GMT
"Did you delete the messages?"   That right there kills any insanity defence. |
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Post by birukitty on Sept 1, 2015 15:44:34 GMT
In my opinion, she should be charged with murder. How is this any different than conspiracy to murder? Manslaughter as I know it, is for accidental death, right? This was no accident. She bullied and goaded him into doing it. I am sickened and completely appalled that someone could do this. I feel so bad for his family. I completely agree! This was NO accidental death. It was a premeditated, controlling death. She bullied and convinced a depressed teen on and on and on until he couldn't take it anymore and succumbed to her endless bullying convincing. I think the district attorney knew they probably couldn't get a conviction on a murder charge since she wasn't physically there when it happened, so they had to go with manslaughter as inadequate as it sounds. I too can not understand how someone can do this. Either she does have mental problems, or she is just an uncaring, heartless bitch who wanted all the attention focused on her. Debbie in MD. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 15:47:22 GMT
To those of you saying you couldn't finish the article, I honestly wish hadn't. That's what I meant by "It's sticking with me." I wonder if they are going to come out and say she had some kind of mental illness that causes her to seek attention at any cost. I also wonder why she didn't consider someone looking at his text history. Actually there is another report that is saying that there were "alleged" texts where he wanted her to have a Romeo and Juliet pact and kill herself too. I heard that she had previously tried to change his mind but when she accepted tat he was going to do it, well.... we have seen those texts. Frankly I believe little that I see printed from the media as they don't generally present both sides, only what will get the most reaction. My daughter showed me the article a few days ago and I said as much to her that I would want to see both sides - definitely was playing the devil's advocate. Things aren't always as they seem and there are always two sides to a story. If there were/are texts that showed she tried to convince him not to do it, would she be in trouble for not reporting it or trying harder? He was in clear need of help and someone other than just her failed him. I will agree that how she was texting him was terrible, just awful but on the other side, if someone is going to kill themselves, the push probably has little effect and if he wasn't really going to do it, he probably wouldn't have. His fragile mind was not because of her and did no one else close to him realize that he was thinking any of this? I am sure that the defense might be pointing that out also. I am curious to see how it all ends. At the end of the day it is tragic that yet another young person has taken his life, well before it ever got fully started and everyone involved loses in some manner or another. She certainly needs help. I haven't read about the Romeo and Juliet thing. I'm going to look that up in just a bit. I'm not saying his state was caused by her, but I do think that she was the push. Talking to him like it was a "normal" thing to even consider let alone do probably rationalized his irrational thinking. As to the second part of the bolded sentence. I think that there are many many people who have lost a loved one to suicide that would say that they didn't know that someone was going to commit the act at any particular moment, even if they had been suicidal in the past. Otherwise suicide would be stopped 100%. |
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Post by AN on Sept 1, 2015 15:55:29 GMT
Reading through the complaint that was filed with the court (with all the texts), I was totally shocked and appalled. I couldn't believe it. One of the most heinous things I'd read.
And, then I read an article that claimed (from the defense) he was sending her similar texts. They were encouraging each other. Of course, in the complaint, they were focusing on her wrong-doing, rather than it being a mutual thing.
So... I still think it's terrible. And it also made me sit back and realize there are two (or more) sides to this story, and the court documents are mostly just showing the prosecution's side right now. I don't know what to think of it if he was sending her equally "encouraging" texts.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 15:58:43 GMT
Reading through the complaint that was filed with the court (with all the texts), I was totally shocked and appalled. I couldn't believe it. One of the most heinous things I'd read. And, then I read an article that claimed (from the defense) he was sending her similar texts. They were encouraging each other. Of course, in the complaint, they were focusing on her wrong-doing, rather than it being a mutual thing. So... I still think it's terrible. And it also made me sit back and realize there are two (or more) sides to this story, and the court documents are mostly just showing the prosecution's side right now. I don't know what to think of it if he was sending her equally "encouraging" texts. Can you link to the article that talks about him sending her the same texts? |
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Post by marimoose on Sept 1, 2015 16:10:23 GMT
"As to the second part of the bolded sentence. I think that there are many many people who have lost a loved one to suicide that would say that they didn't know that someone was going to commit the act at any particular moment, even if they had been suicidal in the past. Otherwise suicide would be stopped 100%."@jesca - this is the one line I will respectfully disagree with. I don't think suicide is 100% stoppable. I believe that there are those who once they have that inclination that there is nothing, short of watching them 100% of the time, that will stop them from succeeding. Not saying this case is one of those, simply responding to that single sentence. I like that you are one of the open minded who will look at al the details, not just focus on a singlet article  |
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Post by bostonmama on Sept 1, 2015 16:13:30 GMT
A Huffington Post article says they only met in person once or twice... HOW did she get so much control over him?? The same article says she created/wanted to create a baseball tournament fundraiser so that she could bring awareness and HELP SAVE AS MANY LIVES AS POSSIBLE. I think hell is too nice a place  Huffington Post |
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Post by bostonmama on Sept 1, 2015 16:18:05 GMT
People article from defense point of view People |
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Post by foolana on Sept 1, 2015 16:19:17 GMT
Holy $hit! That is vile and horrendous to read. I hope that girl gets the punishment she deserves.
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?? OMG I would so hate to be her parents she was nothing less of a bully getting him to kill himself, seriously she needs to be locked up and realize what she did was just inconceivably wrong!
